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2008-03-15 3:53 PM
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I'm at Pala Casino for the weekend with some family.  Need to fit some running in, avoid all the smokers in the casino, and avoid the buffet line......

I need to run on the treadmill for about 3 hours this weekend.....could be REALLY exciting ! 



2008-03-16 10:13 AM
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Yes, I'm a triathlete now!!! I have been on a high since finishing my first race yesterday in a time of 1:21:11. Placing 250 out of 460 people overall, 35 out of 50 in my age group. Most proud of breaking my goal of 1:30 by almost 9 minutes.

300 Swim : 5:37
12.9 mile bike : 42:52
3.1 mile run : 29:23

Before race - So I woke up at 4:30 am after a fair amount of sleep. Packed up my stuff in the car, made a cup of coffee, and ate a bowl of cereal before driving an hour to the race. Got to the race pretty early and was the first person to set my bike up in my section. Learned that you have to place your stuff on the chain side of your bike or there is a penalty (glad the guy beside me helped me with that). Walked over to the body marking and they approved my helmet while marking me on both legs, both arms, and my age on both of my back calves. Still have the numbers on me this morning, it was permanent marker. Headed over to the massive pool to get my timing chip, making me ready to race. Looked down at my watch and had over an hour until race time. Great what was I going to do now? It was cold and windy so sitting inside was the best option for the family. Neves kicked in at this point. I just kept taking deep breathes to calm down.

Swim - After lining up by our numbers everyone jumped in the pool in 5 second intervals. I was most confident about my swim, but I did not plan for my heart rate to be beating liking crazy before jumping in the pool. I took two strokes and I was already out of breath. I started to freak out and took a breath every stroke until I got to the end of the 50 meter pool. Popped my head up, went under the rope, and got my stroke back after calming down. Went up and down 6 times to find the ladder at the end to get out of the pool and off to the bike. Glad it was only 300 yards, I was spent!! Note to self: should have taken a few laps in a pool that I have never swam in before.

T1 - Went better then I had practiced at home. Heart rate monitor, shirt, bike shoes, helmet, and sunglasses. Ran in my bike shoes, with my bike for the first time without falling. Saw my family at the bike mounting area and blew them a kiss before riding off into the 35 mile per hour wind gusts.

Bike - Clipped on really fast while looking down at my watch. Oh man I forgot to start my stop watch in the pool. So I hit my watch and had no idea how I did in the pool or transition. At this point I did not worry about my time and enjoyed the race. It was fun to ride around for 12 miles on my bike without having to worry about traffic cutting you off. After the first 6 mile loop I was warmed up with the sun drying me off. I came around the second corner and an ambulance, fire truck, and police officer were standing over 3 bikers on the side of the road. I did not want to look at any road rash, so I pedaled hard past that point to turn my head the other way. Picking up the pace felt good. I took a gel shot and drank my water bottle for the first time at this point. It tasted good giving me some energy to pass some people on the bike. That was a good moment when I passed someone for the first time, then another, and another. I started picking people off on the bike all the way into T2. A lot of people went out to hard on the first loop and bonked on the second. Glad Danny told me not to hammer the course. Or this would have happened to me as well.

T2 - Unclipped from my bike and almost fell over getting of my bike do to my toes being numb. I think the cold and wind made my toes numb on the bike. It was hard to run back to my station, but i made it. Racked my bike, threw off my shoes, and put on my running shoes. My wife had to yell at me to take off my helmet, thank you honey.

Run - Other then my toes being numb on the run I felt really good. About 100 yards in my shoes came off of my heel and I had stop. I forgot to pull my bungee laces tight in T2. Fixed that while getting back into stride. The run was through a park following a creek that was really pretty. People were passing me on the run, which I expected, but I stayed at my comfortable pace. I thanked all the volunteers on the run showing us where to go. Seemed like forever until I got to the turn around point. Once I got there I was home free for a mile and a half. I could not help from smiling the whole way back to the finish line. I was going to complete my first triathlon!! Several people passed my on the run, but this guy age 25 passed with about 200 yards to the finish. My competitiveness kicked in and I sprinted to the finish line passing him back up in my dust. The announcer said #467, Brian Crabbs, from Burleson, sprinting into the finish. I raised my arms at the line to feel complete with the race.

After race - Gave my wife and daughter lots of hugs and kisses. My wife kept telling me how proud she was of me. Still again I forgot to hit my stop watch at the finish. I looked down and it was still running at 1:40. Everyone was asking me how I did and I just kept telling people I finished it not knowing how fast I was. It wasn't until they posted the times I found out that I beat my goal of 1:30. I was really happy then!!

Overall everyone at the race was really nice. I met three or four BT people that helped my feel comfortable with the race. Thanks Chris and Brian!! If I took anything from this race, it would be that I have full respect for anyone that has attempted, yet finish an Ironman. I cannot fathom that long of a race at this time. I also cannot wait until my next race!!!!

Thanks for everyone in the group wishing me good luck.


Edited by Txhokie 2008-03-16 10:21 AM
2008-03-16 10:49 PM
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Well Brian, let me be the first to congratulate you. Well done, thanks for the write up here also. It was great to read how your first Tri experience felt. Sounds like things happen that you just don't know how to prepare for like the nerves and high heart rates and transitions.
How did T1 and T2 go for you? Overall, how long were you in there? Does it get crowded or is everyone staggered enough? How did you practice for the transitions?

Well, again great job finishing the race and good luck on the next one. I have a buddy who will be doing a 1/2 ironman and then his wife and I are doing sprints. He tells us both how addicting this sport is. So, he has encouraged us to think about scheduleing a second tri just 4-5 weeks after the first. He believes that once you have trained up to that point you'll be ready by 4-5 weeks.
What are your thoughts Danny? How soon between, for us begineers at least.

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2008-03-17 12:58 PM
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rsand222 - 2008-03-16 10:49 PM

Well Brian, let me be the first to congratulate you. Well done, thanks for the write up here also. It was great to read how your first Tri experience felt. Sounds like things happen that you just don't know how to prepare for like the nerves and high heart rates and transitions.
How did T1 and T2 go for you? Overall, how long were you in there? Does it get crowded or is everyone staggered enough? How did you practice for the transitions?

Rick



Looking back at my heart rate spiking before going in the pool is hard to practice in training. I actually think that I would do better in an open water swim to start. Not all the attention is on just you like it was in the pool.

My T1 time was 1:54 and my T2 time was 1:27. It was not crowded at all on either transitions. I set everything up on a towel to the left of my bike. You hang the bike from the seat making the chain sprocket on the left. That way no one is bumping into each other. I practiced a lot in my driveway doing bricks every Saturday. Only practiced the swim to bike twice with jumping in the shower to get wet before hand. Other then that it is easier then you think it is once you have everything set up at the race.

Oh yes, I'm addicted to this sport big time!!!

2008-03-18 11:10 AM
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Some of you have expressed an interest in some swimming drills (especially ones which can be adapted to use a pull-buoy). 

This is very helpful if you are having any leg injuries and need to give them a total/partial rest - and focus on upper body through swimming.

In general, I would suggest a combination of drills and distance sets.  The drills can be done with or without the buoy.   They are useful all year long.  The distance sets can be anywhere from 25-500 yd intervals (although I would stay to the shorter distances initially).

Most of the drills and distance sets could also be done with hand paddles on (although I would not use them a great deal (I get "too" used to having them), and they also present additional strain on the shoulders, so caution/moderation is in order.

Breaststroke Drills

Breaststroke with Buoy
Swim Breaststroke using a pull buoy. Purpose: quick hands, hand pitch, conditioning. This is a very difficult drill. Only experienced and strong Breaststrokers should attempt this.

Freestyle Drills

Catch-up Drills (with buoy)
1. Basic: with one arm extended out front, give an explosive pull with the other arm (continue body roll as in regular Freestyle) and recover to the streamlined position. Give a two count. Breathe every stroke, thus accentuating body roll. Purpose: develop both arm pulls equally.
2. Head touch: same as above, but touching your head with each stroke, thus keeping the elbows high. Purpose: develop both arm pulls and keep recovering elbow high; heightens awareness of where the hand enters the water.

Triple Scoop
Swimming Freestyle, take three scoops of water with one hand, making sure to be on your side with full extension of the arm. Rotate arms and body on the fourth stroke. Purpose: to concentrate on the catch phase of the stroke.

Touch Back
At the completion of each stroke when your hand exits the water, roll body and slap the water on the other side of your hip. Keep your head in proper Freestyle position. Purpose: to heighten your awareness of the completion of the stroke and body roll.

Zipper Drill (shark fin or raising the flag)
Swimming Freestyle, during the recovery drag thumb along side of your body from thigh to arm pit and back down again, then complete a stroke. Purpose: to heighten the recovery phase of the stroke and keep elbows high.

Backstroke Drills

One-Arm Backstroke
Swim Backstroke with one arm at your side, emphasizing body roll. Several variations: 3-3-2-2-1-1. Three strokes right arm, three strokes left arm, two right, two left, one right, one left. Repeat. Emphasis: full stroke, coordination.

Tied-up
Swim Backstroke with band around ankles or buoy at feet. Try to keep body from fishtailing. Purpose: determines uneven stroke.

Freestyle/Backstroke Combo
Swim three strokes Freestyle, stopping on your side. Do not proceed until the back arm is dry and the body is balanced with the face in the water. Once balanced, rotate the head to a nose up position going into Backstroke. Take four strokes Backstroke, again stopping on your side. Keep repeating, making sure to stop between strokes only on your side. Purpose: learn the need to rotate the hips in both Freestyle and Backstroke.

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I also came across a useful related article:

 http://connmasters.org/BestFreeStyleDrill.htm

Coach’s Corner: The Best Freestyle Drill

By Dave Samuelsohn

Take it from me: Swimming is all in your head.

One of the most difficult things to do during a tough workout is to think, think about your stroke, your efficiency, your fine points. You’re tired, you know you’re swimming just to get through it and all you can really think about is "How much more?" and " Maybe I can get my goggle strap to break!"

Building good stroke habits takes time … and discipline. Anything you can do to better focus yourself on thinking is going to help you. That’s why many coaches advocate the use of stroke drills. I advocate the use of stroke drills early in workout, before I’m so tired I can’t think straight. In fact, I think a good time to do stroke drills is in warm-up, every warm-up. Why not start the work-out thinking and patterning good stroke habits and improving efficiency while you’re fresh? Hey, there’s an idea!

One of my favorite drills, and about the best Freestyle drill I’ve come across, I call "Half Catch-Up." It’s kind of like "Catch –Up" but instead of completing one stroke before beginning the next – and actually touching one hand with the other – you only "Catch –Up" halfway. Doesn’t seem like much of a difference but where you go from there can give you opportunities to focus on many aspects of improving your stroke.

The first thing you notice is that unlike "regular" catch-up, your body roll is not arrested. It’s smooth and comfortable and can easily be accentuated with a little thought. Grab a pull buoy for starters and let’s see what we can learn by using this drill to focus ourselves on different components – one at a time – of your Freestyle.

  • We’ll start with a pull buoy because it floats your legs, helps you maintain your balance and therefore your momentum, and … hell, it’s just plain easier.  It’s OK, you can admit it: a pull buoy makes Freestyle easier if you’re not swimming very hard. But for the purposes of this stroke drill, it’s helpful to eliminate certain worries to help keep focused on others. (But don’t plan on keeping it).

  • Swim a couple of laps with the pull buoy keeping your "catch" hand out in front longer while your opposite arm completes an entire pull phase and begins it’s recovery. Don’t start your next pull until you’re halfway through the recovery – until you "Half Catch –Up." Get it?

  • Now let’s go to a four-pattern with our breathing and try and balance our body roll. Get away from the constant leaning to one side – the Freestyle "limp" we develop when we breathe every stroke.

  • Swim a little farther and let’s play a game: Think of your body as a canoe. The longer you can make that canoe, the more efficiently it will glide over the water. We’re going to paddle our canoe – first one side, then the other – and as we go, we’re going to try to make each sweep longer and more efficient. We’re going to get our paddle way out in front as we glide over the water on the strength of the previous stroke. Then begin a slow carve which will accelerate faster and faster through the stroke until it pops out of the water behind us and begins its recovery. With each stroke, the bow of our canoe (our catch hand stretched out in front) is going to glide longer and farther as we learn to hold more and more water and accelerate each stroke. Stroke and glide, stroke and glide.

  • Very quickly you’ll get the feel for your Half Catch – Up. You’ll settle into a long gliding stroke with a balanced hip roll. You’ll soon find an easy rocking rhythm, which will make your Freestyle comfortable and efficient. But don’t stop there. Now is the time to get some feedback on just how efficient you are: Count your strokes for each lap, and try to decrease their number without breaking your rhythm. A good number for 25 yards would be 12 or 13; you may be able to do better. Focusing on a deliberate "carving" catch and full accelerating push-through will help you glide faster and faster and get that stroke count down.

There’s a lot to think about here and I suggest you focus on one thing at a time until it starts to feel really good. Then start counting strokes!

What follows is a few more ideas which I suggest you work on only after you’ve gotten comfortable with the basic Half Catch – Up drill. Remember: the drill remains essentially the same. What changes is what you’re thinking and focusing on.

  • One of the things we old timers have trouble with is learning to alternate breathe. Half Catch – Up can help by giving you time to think about each breath: take a breath on your "good" side and think about what happened. Then use the next three strokes (and the long Half Catch – Up glides) to apply to what you felt and did to your "off " side. One thing you’ll find is that you won’t be turning your head until late in your pull. The extra long glide helps you get the feel for that. Try alternate breathing after you’ve settled into your regular four – pattern rhythm. (And don’t quit! You’ll get it if you stick with it.)

  • Start to roll more – from the hips – in a smooth rocking motion. As you go, you can accentuate that body roll by spinning your hips as each stroke digs in. We actually do our swimming on our sides – first on one then the other – and we can use our body roll – or spin – to develop power. Try to feel how the torque from that body spin works to develop power in your stroke.

  • OK, you’ve been working on this drill for a couple months. Now take the pull buoy off (Bummer!) and start working on a three-beat kick (that is kick, kick, kick-and-pull). It’s a little tougher to keep it going but you’re going to need to know this! Try to use your kick to start that hip rotation before you start your pull. Very soon you’ll see how your kick is what initiates the hip and body roll that develops the torque and power for your whole stroke. (This is important but more difficult. Don’t start working on this until you’ve spent some time with your pull buoy and really get the Half Catch Up drill down.)

One significant result of Half Catch-Up Freestyle is that, for perhaps the first time, you’ll be working to strengthen your pull through the full range of motion, particularly the push-through at the back, where most Freestylers tend to get lazy. Work on this and other drills during warm-up, each time you get in the pool. Think and focus while you’re fresh and build the patterns you want to become good stroke habits. Remember: thinking may be the toughest thing to do in workout so work hard on it.

 

2008-03-18 11:23 AM
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Way to go Brian !

That is so awesome that you had a great day out there and sounds like you had a blast in the process!!!   Excellent!!

A couple of things in your post that are important for the others who will have their 1st triathlon this year:

- planing, planning, planning.  Have a race checklist when packing.  Think through each phase of the race and what you will be wearing - I literally go from head to toe thinking about everything.  Don't forget your nutrition/fluids, and misc items (I always bring way more than I need, but its worth it to me).

- getting to the race early, setting up, getting your bearings, having some "quiet time" to focus.

- start your watch at the beginning/end of each race segment...

- being prepared to have your HR max out in the 1st two minutes of the swim - pace yourself or you can feel blown out in the 1st 100 yds.  If it is a wave start from a beach or shore, do not kill yourself trying to sprint ahead of everyone and hit the water 1st.  Take it moderately, and save yourself for the run.

- strap your helmet on before leaving the bike rack in T1.  Do not unstrap until racking your bike in T2.

- Do not forget to remove your helmet after T2 (you DO NOT want to be THAT guy!!)....although I did forget to take my swimming earlplugs out until halfway through the run once...it was so quiet and peaceful...).

- anticipate having dead legs starting the run.  This is normal.  Keep plugging along, and they will eventually start cooperating.

- Finish strong (and don't let any young whippersnappers catch you at the line) ! 

- Have a heck of a great time.

Danny 

Txhokie - 2008-03-16 8:13 AM Yes, I'm a triathlete now!!! I have been on a high since finishing my first race yesterday in a time of 1:21:11. Placing 250 out of 460 people overall, 35 out of 50 in my age group. Most proud of breaking my goal of 1:30 by almost 9 minutes. 300 Swim : 5:37 12.9 mile bike : 42:52 3.1 mile run : 29:23 Before race - So I woke up at 4:30 am after a fair amount of sleep. Packed up my stuff in the car, made a cup of coffee, and ate a bowl of cereal before driving an hour to the race. Got to the race pretty early and was the first person to set my bike up in my section. Learned that you have to place your stuff on the chain side of your bike or there is a penalty (glad the guy beside me helped me with that). Walked over to the body marking and they approved my helmet while marking me on both legs, both arms, and my age on both of my back calves. Still have the numbers on me this morning, it was permanent marker. Headed over to the massive pool to get my timing chip, making me ready to race. Looked down at my watch and had over an hour until race time. Great what was I going to do now? It was cold and windy so sitting inside was the best option for the family. Neves kicked in at this point. I just kept taking deep breathes to calm down. Swim - After lining up by our numbers everyone jumped in the pool in 5 second intervals. I was most confident about my swim, but I did not plan for my heart rate to be beating liking crazy before jumping in the pool. I took two strokes and I was already out of breath. I started to freak out and took a breath every stroke until I got to the end of the 50 meter pool. Popped my head up, went under the rope, and got my stroke back after calming down. Went up and down 6 times to find the ladder at the end to get out of the pool and off to the bike. Glad it was only 300 yards, I was spent!! Note to self: should have taken a few laps in a pool that I have never swam in before. T1 - Went better then I had practiced at home. Heart rate monitor, shirt, bike shoes, helmet, and sunglasses. Ran in my bike shoes, with my bike for the first time without falling. Saw my family at the bike mounting area and blew them a kiss before riding off into the 35 mile per hour wind gusts. Bike - Clipped on really fast while looking down at my watch. Oh man I forgot to start my stop watch in the pool. So I hit my watch and had no idea how I did in the pool or transition. At this point I did not worry about my time and enjoyed the race. It was fun to ride around for 12 miles on my bike without having to worry about traffic cutting you off. After the first 6 mile loop I was warmed up with the sun drying me off. I came around the second corner and an ambulance, fire truck, and police officer were standing over 3 bikers on the side of the road. I did not want to look at any road rash, so I pedaled hard past that point to turn my head the other way. Picking up the pace felt good. I took a gel shot and drank my water bottle for the first time at this point. It tasted good giving me some energy to pass some people on the bike. That was a good moment when I passed someone for the first time, then another, and another. I started picking people off on the bike all the way into T2. A lot of people went out to hard on the first loop and bonked on the second. Glad Danny told me not to hammer the course. Or this would have happened to me as well. T2 - Unclipped from my bike and almost fell over getting of my bike do to my toes being numb. I think the cold and wind made my toes numb on the bike. It was hard to run back to my station, but i made it. Racked my bike, threw off my shoes, and put on my running shoes. My wife had to yell at me to take off my helmet, thank you honey. Run - Other then my toes being numb on the run I felt really good. About 100 yards in my shoes came off of my heel and I had stop. I forgot to pull my bungee laces tight in T2. Fixed that while getting back into stride. The run was through a park following a creek that was really pretty. People were passing me on the run, which I expected, but I stayed at my comfortable pace. I thanked all the volunteers on the run showing us where to go. Seemed like forever until I got to the turn around point. Once I got there I was home free for a mile and a half. I could not help from smiling the whole way back to the finish line. I was going to complete my first triathlon!! Several people passed my on the run, but this guy age 25 passed with about 200 yards to the finish. My competitiveness kicked in and I sprinted to the finish line passing him back up in my dust. The announcer said #467, Brian Crabbs, from Burleson, sprinting into the finish. I raised my arms at the line to feel complete with the race. After race - Gave my wife and daughter lots of hugs and kisses. My wife kept telling me how proud she was of me. Still again I forgot to hit my stop watch at the finish. I looked down and it was still running at 1:40. Everyone was asking me how I did and I just kept telling people I finished it not knowing how fast I was. It wasn't until they posted the times I found out that I beat my goal of 1:30. I was really happy then!! Overall everyone at the race was really nice. I met three or four BT people that helped my feel comfortable with the race. Thanks Chris and Brian!! If I took anything from this race, it would be that I have full respect for anyone that has attempted, yet finish an Ironman. I cannot fathom that long of a race at this time. I also cannot wait until my next race!!!! Thanks for everyone in the group wishing me good luck.



2008-03-18 11:34 AM
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Hi Rick,

Some transition areas are insane (depending on how well the race is organized, how full the race is, and how much room they have to work with).  I have done some races (like the 1/2 Vineman) where the T1 area was SO packed that you could hardly get through the bike racks (my bike got knocked over, spilling my aero bottle which had most of my nutrition, and knocking my gear all over the place).  Side note - have back up nutrition in case of something like this - especially for a longer race).

I have had some races (like a duathlon where I was in and out in 90 seconds, and other races (IM distance where I felt so bad in T2 that I had to completely regroup to keep going and spent over 20 minutes in the tent).  It just depends....

Also, what you need to accomplish during transition obviously changes with longer races (IM distance I change completely, lube "everything" up, and try to reduce any discomfort as much as possible...it's a long day out there).

As far as time for race interval...if you have created a good training base, done a good buildup/adaptation phase, peaked, and then tapered to your race properly, you can easily get into a maintenance mode where you are racing once a month.  

Obviously, common sense prevails, you monitor your recovery after each race, awareness of any injuries/overuse, and go from there.

I have experienced post race"letdown" where its easy to get into a funk.  Solution, have another race you are training for! 

rsand222 - 2008-03-16 8:49 PM Well Brian, let me be the first to congratulate you. Well done, thanks for the write up here also. It was great to read how your first Tri experience felt. Sounds like things happen that you just don't know how to prepare for like the nerves and high heart rates and transitions. How did T1 and T2 go for you? Overall, how long were you in there? Does it get crowded or is everyone staggered enough? How did you practice for the transitions? Well, again great job finishing the race and good luck on the next one. I have a buddy who will be doing a 1/2 ironman and then his wife and I are doing sprints. He tells us both how addicting this sport is. So, he has encouraged us to think about scheduleing a second tri just 4-5 weeks after the first. He believes that once you have trained up to that point you'll be ready by 4-5 weeks. What are your thoughts Danny? How soon between, for us begineers at least. Rick

2008-03-20 6:56 AM
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Congrats on the awesome race Brian! Loved reading your write-up, sounds like you had a great time out there. When's the next race on the schedule?

I'm planning on adding a 5K to the schedule in a couple weeks (April 5th) ... oh my I really didn't know it was that soon. Guess I need to get some more running in between now and then.

As for San Diego, I'm still waiting to find out the exact date I'll be heading over there. But I'll be staying on North Island navy base. I don't have a wet suit (not much use for one over here in Florida :P )

I have a biking question... how do all of you run your bike workouts? Just head out for the time/miles or target heat rate zones or mix some? I'm upping my time on the bike, but I want to make sure I gain from the time on the bike. I know running, usually you have a slower long day, interval/tempo day and then normal runs, same for biking?
2008-03-20 2:16 PM
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Hi Nancy,

Let me know the details as you get closer to the trip.  I likely can find a loaner wetsuit for you if interested.  There are a lot of group swims that take place not far from your area.

I hope your legs are recovering well from your race.  Time to get back in the saddle!

As far as the bike question....everyone is different.
I usually have a set distance or time in mind when I ride.  I will tailor my effort level based on the distance in order to pace myself.  I also adjust depending on my bike fitness (early in the season I would be riding easier than the middle of by build or phase or close to peaking for a race).

I don't usually train by HR specifically, but some swear by it.

Danny


LadyGator - 2008-03-20 4:56 AM Congrats on the awesome race Brian! Loved reading your write-up, sounds like you had a great time out there. When's the next race on the schedule? I'm planning on adding a 5K to the schedule in a couple weeks (April 5th) ... oh my I really didn't know it was that soon. Guess I need to get some more running in between now and then. As for San Diego, I'm still waiting to find out the exact date I'll be heading over there. But I'll be staying on North Island navy base. I don't have a wet suit (not much use for one over here in Florida :P ) I have a biking question... how do all of you run your bike workouts? Just head out for the time/miles or target heat rate zones or mix some? I'm upping my time on the bike, but I want to make sure I gain from the time on the bike. I know running, usually you have a slower long day, interval/tempo day and then normal runs, same for biking?

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LadyGator - 2008-03-20 6:56 AM

I have a biking question... how do all of you run your bike workouts? Just head out for the time/miles or target heat rate zones or mix some? I'm upping my time on the bike, but I want to make sure I gain from the time on the bike. I know running, usually you have a slower long day, interval/tempo day and then normal runs, same for biking?



If you sign up on a program under the Silver Member it will give you more detail on how to train. My program over the past 12 weeks had at least one or two days a week working on hills. One day a week working on cadence with each leg on the trainer. Then I usually had a long ride on the weekend. I personally have a hard time keeping my heart rate lower while riding outside on a bike. I guess the cars, intersections, and dogs make my heart rate go a little higher. If I work on my base endurance with my heart rate staying in the lower zone 2 then I stay indoors on the trainer.

Congrats on all your races that you are running in. My next sprint triathlon that I have signed up for is May 4.

2008-03-20 11:18 PM
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Great job, Brian! Sounds like a good race for you and you enjoyed it (that's probably the most important part).

I feel bad cause when I read your pre-race post, I thought "I should post a message about 'staying in your shoes' and not letting the adrenalin run to high." On my first race, a sprint, I don't think I caught my breath until I was almost done with the bike. Feels like your heart is going to come out of your mouth. Of course, that's easy to say after the fact as you found out. It was better on my second race, and better yet on my third race. Have to remember there are three disciplines and you should pace yourself.

If you haven't done so already, I would strongly encourage you to do at least one open water swim before your first race with an OWS. I'm a pretty good swimmer, very comfortable in the water but for some reason looking out over a lake (or pond, river, bay, ocean) when I could barely see the far shore because my eyes were 4 inches above the water I was intimidated at first. It took me about 30 minutes and I was good. The first 5 minutes in the lake were miserable. I literally was breathing in every time I put my face in the water. I would not have made it to the first buoy without my pre-race OWS. Just don't do an OWS without someone there to watch.


2008-03-21 7:03 AM
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If you haven't done so already, I would strongly encourage you to do at least one open water swim before your first race with an OWS. I'm a pretty good swimmer, very comfortable in the water but for some reason looking out over a lake (or pond, river, bay, ocean) when I could barely see the far shore because my eyes were 4 inches above the water I was intimidated at first. It took me about 30 minutes and I was good. The first 5 minutes in the lake were miserable. I literally was breathing in every time I put my face in the water. I would not have made it to the first buoy without my pre-race OWS. Just don't do an OWS without someone there to watch.


X2... My first OWS was in the Atlantic and I didn't do one as a prep before hand. I didn't think it'd be a problem, I'm a good swimmer, I'd spent a lot of time around open water before. On the starting line I was completely fine. Gun went off, still fine. Running into the water, fine. My head hit the water, felt like I was having a complete panic attack. Took about half of the swim to get myself composed again after swimming all of that breathing every stroke and mixing in some breaststroke. So I'd also suggest practicing some kind of OWS before your race to somewhat keep the nerves in check
2008-03-23 10:41 PM
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YES!!!!..................I was finally able to run today!!!
I did a one mile walk/run with my 6 yr. old son, that should indicate my pace. It was a great run though we got to do some bonding and then I am on the mend with my hip. Finally after having an MRI to look for stress fractures the ortho found swelling around the ball and socket or the Femoral head , whew that was a relief. It hurt like hell but nothing cracked. His therapy consited of meds, strecthing and run/walk for a couple weeks. It hurt pretty much every minute of the day, especially getting in and out of car. I can now start see the recovery.

This week I will be in Heilbronn Germany, I REALLY want to run there, just because it will be cool to take in the sights and sounds even smells of another country while running. Wasn't someone from this group from Germany??

Thanks again for letting me vent here and do allot of whining and complaining about my hip. I hope nobody here has to deal with this. Though from what my orthopedic MD was telling me, many runners see him for some ailment or another. Knees and hips are common, he also showed me how our bodies will adapt to activities we do. I have had problems with shin splints and now my hip but I started running only 3 years ago. My body was not fully conditioned for the miles but over time, it will adapt. Stronger more dense bones will develop in the legs and hips as a result of the training. He encouraged me to recover and continue, some people I know think I am crazy for doing the " Tri thing" and that I should listen to my body but I think they are wrong. I just keep telling my body " Hey, I am doing this! Mind over matter right!

Have a great week
Rock on!!


2008-03-26 12:01 PM
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Danny!!!! Almost race time for you man. Are you ready? I wish you the best of luck and cannot wait to hear from you when you finish strong. I could not imagine doing an Ironman right now, but I read about guys like you and others that inspire me to make a dream come true.

You the man!!!
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rsand222 - 2008-03-23 8:41 PM YES!!!!..................I was finally able to run today!!! I did a one mile walk/run with my 6 yr. old son, that should indicate my pace. It was a great run though we got to do some bonding and then I am on the mend with my hip. Finally after having an MRI to look for stress fractures the ortho found swelling around the ball and socket or the Femoral head , whew that was a relief. It hurt like hell but nothing cracked. His therapy consited of meds, strecthing and run/walk for a couple weeks. It hurt pretty much every minute of the day, especially getting in and out of car. I can now start see the recovery. This week I will be in Heilbronn Germany, I REALLY want to run there, just because it will be cool to take in the sights and sounds even smells of another country while running. Wasn't someone from this group from Germany?? Thanks again for letting me vent here and do allot of whining and complaining about my hip. I hope nobody here has to deal with this. Though from what my orthopedic MD was telling me, many runners see him for some ailment or another. Knees and hips are common, he also showed me how our bodies will adapt to activities we do. I have had problems with shin splints and now my hip but I started running only 3 years ago. My body was not fully conditioned for the miles but over time, it will adapt. Stronger more dense bones will develop in the legs and hips as a result of the training. He encouraged me to recover and continue, some people I know think I am crazy for doing the " Tri thing" and that I should listen to my body but I think they are wrong. I just keep telling my body " Hey, I am doing this! Mind over matter right! Have a great week Rock on!!

Hey Rick,

Great news that recovery is coming along well.

Thom (SunDevil87) is stationed in Germany.  You should try to contact him - not sure how close the two of you will be.  Have a good German beer for me while you're there! 

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Txhokie - 2008-03-26 10:01 AM Danny!!!! Almost race time for you man. Are you ready? I wish you the best of luck and cannot wait to hear from you when you finish strong. I could not imagine doing an Ironman right now, but I read about guys like you and others that inspire me to make a dream come true. You the man!!!

Thanks Brian!

IMAZ is less than 3 weeks away (18 days) away.  I am fighting the temptation to have one more long run this weekend....

On Sat 3/29 I'll be on-site for the IM CA 70.3 (Oceanside).  I have been spending a ton of time getting ready / organized for the race; I am one of the Volunteer Captains and will be there all day working, and cheering everyone on !  Since I'll be on my feet for about 14 hours, its going into my training log !!!!

I'll post more about IMAZ in the next week or more.  I am mostly ready, feel like I have my nutrition pretty well dialed in, and feel pretty good (a couple of aches and pains but nothing significant).  At this point, I'm trying to not fatten up during my taper....

I did IMAZ in '06, IMFL in '07 (took an hour off the previous time), and hope to improve my time at IMAZ'08 !  I'm still slow, but I'm working on it..... 



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I'm having a little bit of a sore shoulder from swimming...

I was looking around for some good refernce material on technique modifications to reduce "swimmer shoulder" injury. 

Here is an interesting article:

http://swimming.about.com/cs/shoulderinjury/a/endswimshould2_2.htm 

Swimmers Shoulder Technique Changes

Aswimmer’s stroke technique may be altered to reduce the likelihood or severity of a potential impingement between the rotator cuff and the coracoacromial arch and an episode of SS (Bak & Fauno, 1997; Baum, 1994; Chang, 2002; Costill, Maglischo, & Richardson, 1992; Johnson, Gauvin, & Fredericson, 2003; Koehler & Thorson, 1996; Loosli & Quick, 1996; Maglischo, 2003; Mayo Clinic, 2000; Pollard & Croker, 1999; Reuter & Wright, 1996; Tuffey, 2000; Weisenthal, 2001). These changes could include several elements, from head position through hand-pull pattern. Specific modifications or technique methods that can reduce the chance of impingement include:

  • Encourage adequate body-roll of the trunk, shoulder through hip (45° to 100° from the long axis in both directions), while swimming (Costill, Maglischo, & Richardson, 1992; Johnson, Gauvin, & Fredericson, 2003; Mayo Clinic, 2000; Tuffey, 2000).
  • Ensure that swimmers are breathing to both sides in order to facilitate a greater degree of body-roll to both sides (Bak & Fauno, 1997; Costill, Maglischo, & Richardson, 1992; Johnson, Gauvin, & Fredericson, 2003; Mayo Clinic, 2000; Tuffey, 2000).
  • Rotate the hips and shoulders as with the arm pull to allow a freer range of shoulder motion, allowing the elbow to stay lower or closer to the water during the recovery phase but still keeping the hand lower than the elbow (Baum, 1994; Koehler & Thorson, 1996; Mayo Clinic, 2000).
  • Teach a hand entry and pull pattern that stays outside the midline of the long axis (Johnson, Gauvin, & Fredericson, 2003; Koehler & Thorson, 1996; Mayo Clinic, 2000; Weisenthal, 2001).
  • Teach a fingertip or little-finger-first hand entry, as opposed to a thumb first entry (Johnson, Gauvin, & Fredericson, 2003; Weisenthal, 2001).
  • Encourage a technique of eyes-down swimming or a neutral head-position, looking at the bottom of the pool instead of the wall ahead of the swimmer (Johnson, Gauvin, & Fredericson, 2003; Tuffey, 2000).
  • Encourage a hand-exit at or slightly behind the beltline (Johnson, Gauvin, & Fredericson, 2003; Pollard & Croker, 1999; Weisenthal, 2001).
  • Promote establishing a finger-tip down, high-elbow hand position before rearward force is applied to the water; move to a catch position first, then perform the push (Maglischo, 2003; Mayo Clinic, 2000; Weisenthal, 2001).

 

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dhyte - 2008-04-01 10:19 AM

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  • Promote establishing a finger-tip down, high-elbow hand position before rearward force is applied to the water; move to a catch position first, then perform the push (Maglischo, 2003; Mayo Clinic, 2000; Weisenthal, 2001).
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    Yes I'm still having sore shoulder problems. I actually decided to take a month off from swimming and focus more on my biking and running. That is until I start training for my Olympic that is in July.

    Is this statement saying that you should not extended your arm all the way out after you have entered the water? I think my shoulder is getting sore from extending my arm out to stay balanced while taking a breath out of the water. It is frustrating because I love to swim most out of biking and running. I started playing basketball in the morning instead of swimming for a while.

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    In general, my take on the article is to promote pinky finger entry into the water, and to try not to bring my hand too close to center (or past center) on the reach.

    It seems like the comment of striving for a hand down position prior to the catch/pull would inhibit a maximum reach, which is very important (also promotes the body rotation).

    I went to a PT guy yesterday to get some eval and massage on my sore shoulder and he seemed to think I had an impingement going on.  He also suggested avoiding thumb-first entry (which is how I usually swim), and to avoid hunching/rolling of my shoulder (as compensation) during the recovery (not sure that I do this).

     

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  • Promote establishing a finger-tip down, high-elbow hand position before rearward force is applied to the water; move to a catch position first, then perform the push (Maglischo, 2003; Mayo Clinic, 2000; Weisenthal, 2001).
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    Yes I'm still having sore shoulder problems. I actually decided to take a month off from swimming and focus more on my biking and running. That is until I start training for my Olympic that is in July. Is this statement saying that you should not extended your arm all the way out after you have entered the water? I think my shoulder is getting sore from extending my arm out to stay balanced while taking a breath out of the water. It is frustrating because I love to swim most out of biking and running. I started playing basketball in the morning instead of swimming for a while.
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    Is this still up to date for everyone???

     

    Jan
    1/12 dhyte - TCSD Club race (Duathlon)

    Feb
    2/23 txhokie – Cowtown 5k

    Mar
    3/15 txhokie – St. Patricks Day Sprint Triatholon
    16/-3 – Cav – Doncaster Half Marathon
    3/8 ladygator - Gate River Run 15K

    Apr
    4/13 dhyte - Ironman Arizona
    27/04 – Cav - The Cottingham Headlands 10k - Multi Terrain Race
    4/27 lauawill42 - J-Hawk Spring in Whitewater, Wisconsin

    May
    5/4 txhokie – Benbrook Sprint Triathlon
    5/18 sundevil87 - Butzbacher Schloss Triathlon (sprint) ( http://www.fw-sportmarketing.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=v... )
    11/5 Cav - Beverley 10k
    18/05 -Mansfield Sprint Tri - 4 swim / 17 bike / 5 run
    5/17 ladygator - Beaches Fine Arts Sprint Triathlon

    Jun
    6/1 dhyte - San Diego Rock n Roll Marathon
    6/22 sundevil87 - EWR-Triathlon Lampertheim (sprint) ( http://www.triathlon-lampertheim.de/)
    01/06 -Cav - Humber Bridge 10k
    29/06 – Cav Humber Bridge Half Marathon
    15/06 - Cav Woodhall Spa Sprint Tri .4 swim / 24 bike / 5 run - Jun

    Jul
    20/07 - Cav Lincoln Sprint Tri - .4 swim / 24 bike / 5 run
    7/13 lauawill42 - Danskin Sprint Triathlon in Pleasant Prairie, Wisconsin

    Aug
    8/10 txhokie – Annual Wool Capital Olympic Triathlon
    8/24 sundevil87 - Fuldataler Triathlon (olympic) ( http://www.fuldataler-triathlon.de/)
    10/8 - Cav – Elloughton 10k
    8/9 ladygator - Jax Triathlon Series Sprint

    Sep
    10/28 sundevil87 - Berlin Marathon

    Oct
    Cav – Bridlington Half Marathon

    Nov
    11/2 dhyte – New York City Marathon
    11/9 ladygator - Miami Man Olympic Triathlon
    11/27 txhokie – Fort Worth Turkey Trot 10k
    11/27 ladygator - Outback Distance Classic 6K

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    My May race is still up in the air (but it definitely won't be the one on the calendar since I should be in San Diego at that time), so I guess I need to look into something for while I'm out there. The thought of that cold water though isn't helping :p But now I'll be out there for about 3 months, so I'll be out there from end-April to end-July.

    I've also gotta get my rear into gear again. I've fallen victim to my traditional bad habits.. I train for a race, then I get lazy afterwards I'm supposed to run a 5K Saturday although I haven't registered, and I haven't run any in two weeks (?) now. Agh I love my movtivation abilities


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    Danny,
    That's awesome that you have a list for everyone here. We have a lot to prepare for.
    I have my first spring Tri on June 1st. its called the Seahorse challenge in Kalamazoo Michigan.
    Then I have signed up for the Blue wave Sprint Tri on July 19th in Racine Wi. also.

    I then have a 3.5 mile ( yes 3.5 just slightly longer then a a 5K) race on May 22nd. Its a fun corporate event in downtown Chicago. last year there were 23K runners.

    This won't count for the list but I will mention it, I signed up for something called a Lazyman Triathlon. Basically, the Y that I train at has us sign up for either the full or half Tri distances, I did the full. This starts on April 14th. Then every time you train you record your swim, bike or run distances. We have 6-weeks to complete. Should be no problem and it's a fun way to track progress.

    Rock on !
    Rick
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    I've got 2 tris scheduled for sure:

    5/25 CapTexTri Sprint

    9/1 Austin Triathlon Olympic

    Maybe:

    10/5 Lifetime Triathlon Dallas
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    I have added an Olympic on July 13!!
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    This morning I had my last "bigger" run before IMAZ next Sunday (9 miles at 9:30 pace). 

    It felt good...I had planned on running for an hour but it felt good to go a little longer.

    Somewhere around mile 5-6 I started to finally get real relaxed and was running pretty smooth. Once I hit that point of being able to get that big "cleansing breath" I felt nice and loose.  That is the point of "getting in the zone" for me.  The longer I can just stay loose during the race, the better.

    I plan to run slower at IMAZ, and just try to stay relaxed and keep an even, steady pace.

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