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 2008-03-13 7:43 PM in reply to: #1270456 |
Pro  4507   Simpsonville, SC |  Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group?sparco - 2008-03-13 4:04 PM (so that leads to a question for you experienced HIMers out there...do you really need to hold back that much on the bike?) Keep in mind that cycling is my strength and running is my weakness, but I would say do NOT hold back that much on the bike. Ride hard, yet comfortable. In my HIM, I raced my bike. This is what my coach told me to do. I had an excellent bike split. 2:41:?? for 56 miles. Rolling course. I did hit the proverbial wall at mile 10 on my run, but I hadn't run for 3 weeks before my race due to injury. Run split - 2:07:?? for 13.1. That run split was only 40 seconds off my stand alone half mary. So I don't think that racing the bike hurt my run. Not running for three weeks and being injured hurt my run. Listen to your body during the race. If you are hurting on the bike, back off. If you feel good, keep it up. Oh and eat something every 30 minutes on the bike. I set a timer on my watch to beep every 30 minutes so I would not miss my nutrition. Pam |
| 2008-03-13 7:44 PM in reply to: #1270861 |
Expert 844  | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I am thinking about 7 hours too. It scares me that I might finish last or get pulled off the course...Since this might be my only forray into "long course" I would really be bumming if I DNF..... |
| 2008-03-13 8:51 PM in reply to: #1271014 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? gator22 - 2008-03-13 8:44 PM I am thinking about 7 hours too. It scares me that I might finish last or get pulled off the course...Since this might be my only forray into "long course" I would really be bumming if I DNF..... As long as you finish and you gave it your best, it does not matter where you placed. Sometimes things happen in a race that are beyond our control, like a mechanical, or GI problems, etc. Just keep going the best you can and cross the line. Don't dwell on the what ifs. Train regularly, rest often and eat healthy stuff. You can do this. One workout at a time. You will get there! |
| 2008-03-13 9:43 PM in reply to: #1145711 |
Master 1686 Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? First off, I own some gadgets (Timex Bodylink GPS/HRM) but it seems like I rarely use them, in fact most of the winter I won't even wear a watch, cause when I do I time myself to the second and end up subconciously pressing to go fast. But if I had the $$ (or should I say if the wife would let me spend then $$) I'd buy a powertap, a Computrainer, and an Endless Pool. In my opinion it does pay to hold back some on the bike. Last year I rode a 2:59 at the NJ Devilman (partially thanks to the wind) but I let the run come to me a ran a 1:52, negative splitting and setting my PR. 5 weeks later at Eagleman, I rode my best bike split 2:52 but started cramping on the run only hit a 1:59. So based on personal experience, I think saving some in worth it, plus passing people on the run is so much fun. At IMFL, Paula Newby-Fraiser gave everyone at the expo some great advice for all us first timers, find a gear you feel comfortable in, then back off 2 gears and stay there until about mile 80. At that point if you feel good go it. She has seen way to many people (Age groupers and pros) push the envelope when they feel good early on and pay for it on the run. So for a first HIM, use that strategy till about mile 40. Most importantly keep up with your nutrition, hydration, and electrolytes. In shorter races you can screw this up still survive, in a HIM or longer it WILL result in one long painfull run/walk leg (been there, not fun). Finally, a HIM is one heck of an accomplishment. Doing anything for 7 hours or more is hard, traveling 70.3 miles in sun, wind, rain, whatever is a feat you can be very proud of. Besides if you bring up the rear you get a police escort the whole way just like the top dog  .Edited by southwestmba 2008-03-13 9:49 PM |
| 2008-03-14 8:37 AM in reply to: #1145711 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I wouldn't say to hold back so to speak. I think the problem most people have is that it's a race and your blood is pumping and you tend to push it harder earlier than you think you are. I would say that if you are feeling good on the bike then i would back it off a little. I felt great for the first 50 miles on the bike and then i realized that i pushed it harder than i thought i did. About mile 9 on the run it turned into a run/walk and killed my time. |
| 2008-03-14 8:43 AM in reply to: #1145711 |
Pro 4541 A farming town in MN | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? Great tips from the experienced HIMers...THANKS! This really helps HIM newbies like me get the feel for what to expect... |
| 2008-03-14 12:21 PM in reply to: #1145711 |
Elite 4504 Columbus, Ohio | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I am hoping for a sub-6 HIM, but we will see if that is possible as the season progresses. My projection: S: 30 ~ 1:40/100 B: 3:15/3:20 ~ 17mph R: 2:00 ~ 9:00/mi It is as realistic as I can be looking at my previous season training and racing average speeds. I have some major worry factors... 1. Never biked that far, 2. Never ran that far. The biggest worry I have is the bike. I have done a couple mid-40 mile range rides but nothing over 50. It is by far where I feel the weakest. I plan on riding a lot more... a whole lot more... to build some more confidence and very much needed base. Running wise I have done a couple 10mile runs and realistically could have continued running without any issues. Swimming... walk in the park. I still have doubts if I am biting off more than I should chew with deciding to do a HIM this season... but I really want to do it. |
| 2008-03-14 1:00 PM in reply to: #1272256 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? JChristoff - 2008-03-14 12:21 PM I am hoping for a sub-6 HIM, but we will see if that is possible as the season progresses. My projection: S: 30 ~ 1:40/100 B: 3:15/3:20 ~ 17mph R: 2:00 ~ 9:00/mi It is as realistic as I can be looking at my previous season training and racing average speeds. I have some major worry factors... 1. Never biked that far, 2. Never ran that far. The biggest worry I have is the bike. I have done a couple mid-40 mile range rides but nothing over 50. It is by far where I feel the weakest. I plan on riding a lot more... a whole lot more... to build some more confidence and very much needed base. Running wise I have done a couple 10mile runs and realistically could have continued running without any issues. Swimming... walk in the park. I still have doubts if I am biting off more than I should chew with deciding to do a HIM this season... but I really want to do it. You'll be fine. I started doing tri's last april (with a sprint) and ended my season with a HIM. It's very do-able. |
| 2008-03-24 5:46 AM in reply to: #1145711 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? So how's everybody doing with their training? My kids were on Spring Break last week, so my training for the week was kind of a bust. I enjoyed having the kids home, though, and I'll just look at it as a recovery week. I have 9 weeks left until my first HIM -- when you factor in a couple weeks to taper, that sounds reeeeaallllyyyy close! I'll start incorporating bricks into the schedule this week, and it's time to start to pump up the volume! I feel pretty good about my training, but at the same time, I'm starting to get a little nervous... How's everybody else doing?? |
| 2008-03-24 9:42 AM in reply to: #1289000 |
Pro 4541 A farming town in MN | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? jsnowash - 2008-03-24 5:46 AM So how's everybody doing with their training? My kids were on Spring Break last week, so my training for the week was kind of a bust. I enjoyed having the kids home, though, and I'll just look at it as a recovery week. I have 9 weeks left until my first HIM -- when you factor in a couple weeks to taper, that sounds reeeeaallllyyyy close! I'll start incorporating bricks into the schedule this week, and it's time to start to pump up the volume! I feel pretty good about my training, but at the same time, I'm starting to get a little nervous... How's everybody else doing?? Spring break was last week for the kids. Uh...didn't do so good...only got in 4 days of workouts out of the 6 planned...but I did get in 2 1/2 hours of rock climbing with the kids on Thursday. When I read about the 9 weeks, I thought to myself 'wow, that's not very far away.' Then I realized I have less than 12 weeks until MY HIM! Now I'm nervous...thanks Jenny! It snowed 6 inches last week, so the pitiful bike volume I did get in, was on the trainer...it should warm up to the high 40s this week, so I should be able to get some bike commuting in... Good luck with training everyone...hope spring is treating you well... |
| 2008-03-24 9:53 AM in reply to: #1145711 |
| Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I am now only SIX weeks out and have just ended my last base cycle and am starting the final build cycle before taper. On Thursday I am going to run part of the course with my coach, and I will ride the bike course and swim in the lake on Friday. Then next weekend I am running a hilly half marathon (trail run) to practice pacing...I don't really own the HIM distance yet -- strong on swim and bike, but the run will be hard for me to finish -- but I am looking forward to having fun with the BOP. Just signing up was a major victory for me! |
| 2008-03-24 10:03 AM in reply to: #1289000 |
Extreme Veteran 413 Clayton/Raleigh, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? My HIM is now less than 6 weeks away. I am feeling pretty nervous - but at least slightly more confident. My longer sessions in the pool have been fairly successful. I am slowly increasing my bike volume without too many problems. I just did a marathon in February so I'm hoping the run won't be too big of a problem even though I haven't done too many runs since then. My biggest fear is just finishing in time so I don't get kicked off the course. The time limit for the course is 8 hours - and I will be pusing it. I'm just going to do what I can do. Training the next two weeks will be a challenge - this week because of work and next week because of spring break but I hope to stay mainly on track. I think I probably have 3 more weeks of hard stuff before I start tapering. |
| 2008-03-24 12:50 PM in reply to: #1145711 |
Expert 939 Tulsa | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I am 5 days out from my HIM!!! I am starting to scramble trying to get everything ready. I fly out of Tulsa on Thursday for San Diego! The weather looks to be cooperating so far. My only fear is the temp of the ocean. It is supposed to be between 55-60F. I've never swam in water that cold before. I am doing a practice swim on Friday morning in the ocean to see what i'm in for. Everybody wish me luck! |
| 2008-03-24 2:25 PM in reply to: #1145711 |
Expert 1148 Santa Fe, New Mexico Silver member | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? Good Luck John! Five days out, at least you don't have to worry about training any more. You're as ready as you are going to be. Have a great race! I'm 13 weeks out. Thanks for the reminder about how little time that is! My major concern remains the run, my max to date is 8 miles. I was worrying about the bike but Saturday I rode 48 miles averaging 17mph - that's close enough to stop worrying and keep training. (except for the hills on the race course - no hills here to train on.) |
| 2008-03-24 5:21 PM in reply to: #1289787 |
Pro 4541 A farming town in MN | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? ballyard7 - 2008-03-24 12:50 PM I am 5 days out from my HIM!!! I am starting to scramble trying to get everything ready. I fly out of Tulsa on Thursday for San Diego! The weather looks to be cooperating so far. My only fear is the temp of the ocean. It is supposed to be between 55-60F. I've never swam in water that cold before. I am doing a practice swim on Friday morning in the ocean to see what i'm in for. Everybody wish me luck! Yikes! Do they make triathlon DRYsuits? That seems awfully chilly. Good luck with the practice swim. |
| 2008-03-26 5:07 PM in reply to: #1145711 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? AAAHHHH!!! I just found out my kids have a Piano Recital scheduled for the same friggin day as the race I've been training for!!! I haven't registered for the race yet, I was planning on doing it this week. Now I don't know... My son is a REALLY good piano player, and will have sort of a starring role in this recital. I don't see how I could miss it, and wouldn't want to... I have to see if I can target another race. I am just SOOOOOOO bummed! My training has been going really well and I've been really excited about doing this race! ACK!!! I came home and ate half a bag of corn chips after I found this out... not sure that's helping me feel any better though  |
| 2008-03-26 5:18 PM in reply to: #1295957 |
Pro 4541 A farming town in MN | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? jsnowash - 2008-03-26 5:07 PM AAAHHHH!!! I just found out my kids have a Piano Recital scheduled for the same friggin day as the race I've been training for!!! I haven't registered for the race yet, I was planning on doing it this week. Now I don't know... My son is a REALLY good piano player, and will have sort of a starring role in this recital. I don't see how I could miss it, and wouldn't want to... I have to see if I can target another race. I am just SOOOOOOO bummed! My training has been going really well and I've been really excited about doing this race! ACK!!! I came home and ate half a bag of corn chips after I found this out... not sure that's helping me feel any better though Hang in there Jenny! Had the same thing happen to me...registered for a race with a friend who will be doing his 1st tri. Found out my MIL & FIL are coming into town that weekend for my son's graduation and that we would be going on an out of town trip with them. Had to cancel on the tri. Luckily, I found another race that my friend and I can do together at the end of the season. Not the same, but family coming out to MN is pretty rare, and in your case, the kids are only young once. Triathlons will be around for a while... |
| 2008-03-26 6:05 PM in reply to: #1295957 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? jsnowash - 2008-03-26 6:07 PM AAAHHHH!!! I just found out my kids have a Piano Recital scheduled for the same friggin day as the race I've been training for!!! I haven't registered for the race yet, I was planning on doing it this week. Now I don't know... My son is a REALLY good piano player, and will have sort of a starring role in this recital. I don't see how I could miss it, and wouldn't want to... I have to see if I can target another race. I am just SOOOOOOO bummed! My training has been going really well and I've been really excited about doing this race! ACK!!! I came home and ate half a bag of corn chips after I found this out... not sure that's helping me feel any better though Come up for Mooseman on June 8. You are closer to it than me |
| 2008-03-26 7:11 PM in reply to: #1295957 |
Extreme Veteran 413 Clayton/Raleigh, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? Oh no I'm sure you'll be able to find another satisfactory race - just make sure to do it soon to keep up your motivation! I'm sure you'll be happy to see your kids recital and then they will be happy to see whichever HIM you decide to do! |
| 2008-04-06 9:18 AM in reply to: #1145711 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? Bumping this back up top. So now we are in April. How's the training going, Early HIMers? This is how my March totals ended up : Bike: 18h 42m 06s - 307.61 Mi Run: 12h 47m 08s - 81.29 Mi Swim: 10h 53m 26s - 31696.81 Yd Really feel like I'm making progress on my run. Now if the weather will just cooperate, I might make some progress on my cycling. Pam |
| 2008-04-06 1:17 PM in reply to: #1145711 |
Expert 1148 Santa Fe, New Mexico Silver member | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I just finished a rest week. The training seems to be kicking in - swim times are just a little faster as are the run times, and distances are getting easier. Working on buying a wetsuit and thinking about a Tri bike. How's Jenny? |
| 2008-04-06 6:59 PM in reply to: #1145711 |
Master 1686 Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I think its coming along pretty well. Starting to think about going fast. Problem is I'm now doing the Boston Marathon exactly 13 days before the Devilman so it may not be a very swift HIM. Off course you can't really pass up a chance to run Boston (charity spot). March Totals: Bike: 28h 31m - 525.28 Mi Run: 16h 01m - 110.77 Mi Swim: 1h 45m - 5150 Yd YTD: Bike: 78h 46m - 1444.59 Mi Run: 49h 32m - 333.61 Mi Swim: 3h 45m - 11150 Yd How did everyone do in Cali? |
| 2008-04-07 6:10 AM in reply to: #1145711 |
| Veteran 104 | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I'm curious, how long is everyone looking to run in training before their half? And more so, how many times will you hit that distance? I ran 12 yesterday and did 60 miles on the bike the day before. I'm a bit less than a month out so I figure I can hit 12-15 miles a few more times before my race. My plan is to hammer the next 3 weeks and then rest the week leading up to my half. Do I need to go over the 13? I know I'm going to start cranking out 4 hour rides the next 2 weekends and cap it off with a 5 hour ride (I have an MS bike tour 2 weeks after the half). But what about the running? |
| 2008-04-07 8:09 AM in reply to: #1318646 |
Extreme Veteran 413 Clayton/Raleigh, North Carolina | Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? Well, my HIM is now less than a month away and I am sorely unprepared. I need to figure out how to follow a training plan better before the IM training starts in June! The HIM is May 3rd and I am just going to try - and do the best I can - and hopefully complete it. I have probably 2 more weeks of build and then 2 weeks of taper and then the race. Guess we'll see how it goes!
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| 2008-04-07 8:15 AM in reply to: #1318646 |
| Subject: RE: Early season HIM support/training group? I have felt pretty good about my training, but I still feel so out of my league for this race (Wildflower). I had a chance to preview the course, and it's about what I expected in terms of difficulty -- it will take me no less than 7.5 hours, probably closer to 8. I didn't realize you go straight up a huge hill each time out of transition (I knew about the one at 40 miles on the bike course, though, and it is appropriately named Nasty grade). I am a new and slow runner and just did my second-ever half marathon on Sat., and it took forever and left me feeling a bit discouraged. Trail run, though, and got stuck behind about 200 people all walking up the big hill on the single track, so had no real choice...and once walking, it's hard for me to get back in the run groove and end up taking unnecessary walk breaks. I would love some advice on the mental part of this, how to gut it out on race day, because I am starting to feel like those ice skaters who train really well but fall down at every major comp. |
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