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2008-01-23 12:50 PM

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Elite
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Subject: IF YOU OWN A HOME...

And you have a mortgage on it, NOW is a good time to talk to your lender.  Rates are ROCKING today.  Best rate sheet in years.  I'm locking in loans into the low 5% range for larger loan amounts, and even the small ones are under 6% for 30 year fixed.  The mortgage market has had an awesome run the last three weeks, and this type of change is usually followed by a correction in the financial markets which will lead to losing the gains we have at the moment.  At the very least, a phone call to your lender is worth the five minutes it will take. 

This has been a public service announcement.

P.S.  Of course, if your home is in Wisconsin I would be happy to help.



2008-01-23 12:52 PM
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2008-01-23 1:06 PM
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COURT JESTER
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Fixed rates are good as long at it is not a:  Pick-a-payment, interest only, negative amoritization, or any of the other crap that customers can be duped into even with a fixed rate lone.  (note:  Not implying you do, or even would, just making a statement).

Question, do you do Scheduled or Simple interest mortgages?

2008-01-23 1:06 PM
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Pro
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what do i gotta see on my rate decrease for a refi to make sense?  25 pips?
2008-01-23 1:09 PM
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COURT JESTER
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Since you are in the mortgage industry, here's a serious question for you:

What is the average call back cycle to past clients to talk with them about refi'ing again?

2008-01-23 1:19 PM
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Champion
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And if you don't own a home... now might be the time to get one.

E's looking at the housing market near us with fresh eyes now.  We've got the savings to put down a nice DP.  I think it's about as low as it's going to go...
 



2008-01-23 1:21 PM
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COURT JESTER
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ROCKFORD, IL
Subject: RE: IF YOU OWN A HOME...

One many great misleads of the money industry is that it is ALL about rate, rate, rate….and monthly payment.

The ONLY function of rate is to set the payment.  It is how the rate is applied to the loan that is the great equalizer.  It is possible to have a higher rate and still get out of debt faster if the method of applying that rate to the load is a Simple Interest loan and not a Schedule interest loan.  It may not work every time depending on the difference in the rate (exaggeration example of say 7% Scheduled vs. 15% Simple) but hopefully you get the idea.

It is not all about the rate.  It is about:  How long a consumer will be in debt and How much interest will the consumer pay (or save) over the life of the loan.

Yet the industry, for decades, as ingrained in the consumers head that it is all about rate.  So much so, that is the only thing the average person thinks about after the question of, Can I afford the payment.

When it comes to credit cards there are approximately 36 ways to compute the interest rate they charge and that depends on the company.

P.S.  On interest rate (or Note Rate), yeah that’s great.   For any potential Refi-ers out there, MAKE SURE to look at the Federal Truth In Lending Statement this is part of the mortgage documents.  On it is a box that lists that A.P.R. (Annual Percentage Rate).  Check the APR against the Note Rate that is quoted.  Most likely it will be higher than the Note Rate.  That APR is the true cost of doing business and the interest rate that is actually being applied to your loan.

 

Also, where it lists the schedule of payments, i.e.:  1 payment of $$$,  214 payments of $$$, 145 payments of $$$$$....   Every time there is a change happening in the mortgage it is a federal law to put in that new line.  So if there are multiple lines on that Truth In Lending Statement, make sure you find out what is changing in your mortgage contract.

 



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2008-01-23 1:28 PM
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Elite
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madkat - 2008-01-23 12:19 PM

And if you don't own a home... now might be the time to get one.

E's looking at the housing market near us with fresh eyes now.  We've got the savings to put down a nice DP.  I think it's about as low as it's going to go...
 

Madkat - I'd be interested to know why you think this is true for the market where you are looking.

2008-01-23 1:36 PM
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Champion
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ScottoNM - 2008-01-23 11:28 AM
madkat - 2008-01-23 12:19 PM

And if you don't own a home... now might be the time to get one.

E's looking at the housing market near us with fresh eyes now. We've got the savings to put down a nice DP. I think it's about as low as it's going to go...

Madkat - I'd be interested to know why you think this is true for the market where you are looking.

It's pretty low here right now.  We're mainly looking in the Sonoma County, CA, area and it's really taken a hit over the last year and a half.  The median house price around here has dropped over 100k in the last year, with houses sitting on the market for an average of 6 months.

 

The condo across the way from us was on the market for 2 years, and they finally sold it last week.  We watched it drop from $450k to $375k, and I'll bet you the people in there paid even less than that.  There are pre-foreclosure signs up all over around here, so I believe people who are in a bad way are very motivated to sell their property, even at a loss. 

But... it can only go back up in the future.  There will never be enough houses for all the people who want to live here, which is what has driven the real estate boom of the last 10 years.

Yes, it might go a bit lower over the next couple of months, but I think it's pretty close to the bottom. 

2008-01-23 1:46 PM
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Pro
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Hopefully it stays low for a while. My husband and I are selling and buying (in Helena) very soon (we want more land). Helena hasn't had any bubble bursts, just a bit of a slowing in the market.
2008-01-23 1:46 PM
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tupuppy - 2008-01-23 2:09 PM

Since you are in the mortgage industry, here's a serious question for you:

What is the average call back cycle to past clients to talk with them about refi'ing again?



My wife works for a highly successful lender and he offers free refinancing for life once you are a client. They call every loan regularly. The last 2 weeks she has worked 16hour days 7 days a week writing new business and refi's. Yesterday was a record day for my wife…. She personally “locked” $21M in home loans.

So most places should stay in regular contact with their clients if they are going to be successful.


2008-01-23 1:47 PM
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Champion
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Hmm ... We have a 5.75 on our Omaha house and a 6 on our condo in Chicago ... can we do better than that, Peter? Oh and yes, we have excellent credit. Well, mines good, MRS2Tony's is near perfect.
2008-01-23 1:53 PM
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COURT JESTER
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ROCKFORD, IL
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AUSQuest - 2008-01-23 12:46 PM
tupuppy - 2008-01-23 2:09 PM

Since you are in the mortgage industry, here's a serious question for you:

What is the average call back cycle to past clients to talk with them about refi'ing again?

My wife works for a highly successful lender and he offers free refinancing for life once you are a client. They call every loan regularly. The last 2 weeks she has worked 16hour days 7 days a week writing new business and refi's. Yesterday was a record day for my wife…. She personally “locked” $21M in home loans. So most places should stay in regular contact with their clients if they are going to be successful.

Great.  Now, how many of those Refi’s included a DEBT FREEDOM plan?  Or, how many of them came with the education to make it the Last lone and not just the next one?

 

Again, Refi and free up money for a family.  Great.  They take that money, go get themselves into debt again, and refi again a few years later.  By doing that, the consumer barely gets any principle knocked off the load before refi’ing again and paying the lender interest upon interest.

 

Congrats to your wife on that volume of loans.  But if some of those refi families are called back in the next 3-5 years to refi again because of rate rate rate, then I take a serious issue with keeping families debt and not educating them on the concept that it is possible to get and stay debt free.

 

Countywide DOWN, not to take out the rest or make them change their ways.

P.S. by successful do you mean, in order to reap the profits of making interest for a few years, refi-ing them and making more interest and keeping a consumer in that never ending loop?

2008-01-23 1:57 PM
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Iron Donkey
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My wife works at Summit Credit Union and an inhouse 10-year fixed is at 4.75%.  We are rolling our 2nd mortgage from our finished basement into our house mortgage and will still pay less than what we are doing now with one less payment and in the same amount of time left.  Woo hoo!!  Locking in today, and if the rate drops during our paperwork, we get the lower amount!  Double bonus.

2008-01-23 1:59 PM
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COURT JESTER
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ROCKFORD, IL
Subject: RE: IF YOU OWN A HOME...

Here is another lovely of the mortgage industry:  Yield Spread Premium

 

If a client qualifies at, for example, 5% and the mortgage broker gets that client to sign off on a 6% loan by obviously not telling the client about the 5% and letting them know they qualified at 6%, the mortgage broker is paid more for duping the client and selling a higher interest loan.

 

http://www.thetruthaboutmortgage.com/mortgage-dictionary/yield-spread-premium/

2008-01-23 1:59 PM
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While I agree with the concept ty, and think any good broker should do what's in the best financial interest of their clients, I don't think a broker should have the responsibility of financial planning. 

Frankly, for many people at certain income levels, mortgage debt (with its associated interest writeoff) is not by definition a bad thing.  Accrued equity is also a way for people to move into better homes/ neighborhoods (notice I didn't say McMansions or buying beyond means).

Anyway, that's just the .02 of someone trying to get into the market and hoping rates and prices stay low (or go lower)



2008-01-23 2:00 PM
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Champion
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Chicago
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1stTimeTri - 2008-01-23 1:57 PM

My wife works at Summit Credit Union and an inhouse 10-year fixed is at 4.75%.  We are rolling our 2nd mortgage from our finished basement into our house mortgage and will still pay less than what we are doing now with one less payment and in the same amount of time left.  Woo hoo!!  Locking in today, and if the rate drops during our paperwork, we get the lower amount!  Double bonus.



How the heck do you get THAT rate!?
2008-01-23 2:02 PM
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Elite
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madkat - 2008-01-23 12:36 PM

It's pretty low here right now.  We're mainly looking in the Sonoma County, CA, area and it's really taken a hit over the last year and a half.  The median house price around here has dropped over 100k in the last year, with houses sitting on the market for an average of 6 months.

 

The condo across the way from us was on the market for 2 years, and they finally sold it last week.  We watched it drop from $450k to $375k, and I'll bet you the people in there paid even less than that.  There are pre-foreclosure signs up all over around here, so I believe people who are in a bad way are very motivated to sell their property, even at a loss. 

But... it can only go back up in the future.  There will never be enough houses for all the people who want to live here, which is what has driven the real estate boom of the last 10 years.

Yes, it might go a bit lower over the next couple of months, but I think it's pretty close to the bottom. 

Sounds like you guys are taking a smart apprach - google yielded an interesting recent article about the house market in Sonoma

http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080117/NEWS/801170374/0/BUSINESS01

Some unusually frank language from RE professionals in this article: 

"Job growth isn't that strong. Job creation has a direct impact on housing demand and that feeds into prices," said David Berson, chief economist for PMI Mortgage Insurance, of Walnut Creek. "There's just an overall lack of housing demand. The inventories are just way too high."
...[His company predicts that:] Home prices face a 58 percent chance of falling in Sonoma County in two years, up from a 38 percent chance just three months ago.

"The ability to negotiate now is probably as good as I've ever seen it. You're not competing with everybody. You're not competing with a lot of investors, though I expect them to start coming back," he [Brian Connell, broker-manager for Frank Howard Allen Realtors in Santa Rosa]  said. "But it's also possible that we may have another year of grinding through it and the market doesn't level out until 2009."

My thoughts: When a realtor accidentally slips and predicts two years until the bottom, that appears to me to be a sign to wait for the blood to flow for a while.

Sounds like you are in a great position being renters with cash in the bank. Best of luck to you.

 

2008-01-23 2:03 PM
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Iron Donkey
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mr2tony - 2008-01-23 2:00 PM
1stTimeTri - 2008-01-23 1:57 PM

My wife works at Summit Credit Union and an inhouse 10-year fixed is at 4.75%.  We are rolling our 2nd mortgage from our finished basement into our house mortgage and will still pay less than what we are doing now with one less payment and in the same amount of time left.  Woo hoo!!  Locking in today, and if the rate drops during our paperwork, we get the lower amount!  Double bonus.

How the heck do you get THAT rate!?

According to the e-mail she sent me - "A 10 year fixed SCU mortgage is at 4.750% today..."  SCU is Summit Credit Union.  That's all I know, my friend.  It's public information if you are a Summit Credit Union "customer".

2008-01-23 2:04 PM
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Master
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kimj81 - 2008-01-23 2:46 PM Hopefully it stays low for a while. My husband and I are selling and buying (in Helena) very soon (we want more land). Helena hasn't had any bubble bursts, just a bit of a slowing in the market.

uh oh, Ted Turner better watch out...

2008-01-23 2:05 PM
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Elite
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mr2tony - 2008-01-23 1:00 PM
1stTimeTri - 2008-01-23 1:57 PM

My wife works at Summit Credit Union and an inhouse 10-year fixed is at 4.75%.  We are rolling our 2nd mortgage from our finished basement into our house mortgage and will still pay less than what we are doing now with one less payment and in the same amount of time left.  Woo hoo!!  Locking in today, and if the rate drops during our paperwork, we get the lower amount!  Double bonus.

How the heck do you get THAT rate!?

My local bank has a 10-year fixed-rate conforming first, no points, for 4.795%

http://lanb.com/rates/mortgage.asp

 



2008-01-23 2:08 PM
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Champion
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Chicago
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OK I can't afford to refinance three properties for 10 years when they're on 30 years right now. Best rate I could find was 5.3 percent, so with a free refi I'd save like $75 a month. Though getting siding on house 1 and a heater in condo 1 would be cheap money.
2008-01-23 2:21 PM
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Yeah, I just called our banker.  I'd been thinking about doing this with our tax refund $$, since we're locked into a 30-year fixed that's over a point higher than what my credit union's got going on today.  It's tempting to do other things with that money, but this is a better long-term option.  (And no, Ty, we won't be doing it again in 5 years.  We've only been in this house for a little over a year, so it's not a big difference in our long-term debt load.  I do appreciate your points, though - sometimes people go back to the well too many times.)
2008-01-23 2:35 PM
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madkat - 2008-01-23 1:36 PM

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But... it can only go back up in the futureThere will never be enough houses for all the people who want to live here, which is what has driven the real estate boom of the last 10 years.

Yes, it might go a bit lower over the next couple of months, but I think it's pretty close to the bottom. 

Eh...don't be so quick. 

Would you spend $400K for a house if it never appreciated (to avoid perpetual rent)?  Could you justify the purchase based entirely on job (and investment) income and not housing gains?  If you're counting on other people paying more in the future, you're joining the same game that is playing out today. 

2008-01-23 2:38 PM
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Champion
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Chicago
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tupuppy - 2008-01-23 1:53 PM

AUSQuest - 2008-01-23 12:46 PM
tupuppy - 2008-01-23 2:09 PM

Since you are in the mortgage industry, here's a serious question for you:

What is the average call back cycle to past clients to talk with them about refi'ing again?

My wife works for a highly successful lender and he offers free refinancing for life once you are a client. They call every loan regularly. The last 2 weeks she has worked 16hour days 7 days a week writing new business and refi's. Yesterday was a record day for my wife…. She personally “locked” $21M in home loans. So most places should stay in regular contact with their clients if they are going to be successful.

Great.  Now, how many of those Refi’s included a DEBT FREEDOM plan?  Or, how many of them came with the education to make it the Last lone and not just the next one?

 

Again, Refi and free up money for a family.  Great.  They take that money, go get themselves into debt again, and refi again a few years later.  By doing that, the consumer barely gets any principle knocked off the load before refi’ing again and paying the lender interest upon interest.

 

Congrats to your wife on that volume of loans.  But if some of those refi families are called back in the next 3-5 years to refi again because of rate rate rate, then I take a serious issue with keeping families debt and not educating them on the concept that it is possible to get and stay debt free.

 

Countywide DOWN, not to take out the rest or make them change their ways.

P.S. by successful do you mean, in order to reap the profits of making interest for a few years, refi-ing them and making more interest and keeping a consumer in that never ending loop?



Shouldn't it be up to the consumer to do his or her homework? I mean, if you buy a car from a secondary seller and it falls apart, then too bad for you.

People should be smart enough to do their own research before taking the advice of a lender who's getting paid to offer these loans. I mean, really, when we bought our houses we did a TON of homework. The realtor said `Oh yeah, property values in this neighborhood or building are definitely rising.' Well it doesn't take much to figure out if that's true or not.

I have a little debt -- more than I did a year ago because of credit cards, and I blame only myself. The credit card company didn't tell me to go spend money, I did it on my own. Just the same -- these lenders are making an offer to borrow, not forcing people to do it. That's why I get so angry when I hear those `Have $25,000 in credit card debt? It's not YOUR fault. The credit card companies are FORCING you into debt.' Bullsh*t.
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