Training Logs - Swimming times
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2008-02-11 4:31 PM |
Veteran 379 NYC | Subject: Training Logs - Swimming times Just curious, when you people enter your swimming times on the logs, do you enter your total workout time or actual time swimming? My swim pace is around 2:00/hundred, but with the breaks it shows up at almost 3:00/hundred. My coach recommended swimming faster and taking breaks when I need to so I can get my body programmed to swim faster (the whole muscle memory thing). My goal is to shorten the breaks, which I've been doing, and get to a 1:45 to 1:50/hundred pace for a 750m race. |
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2008-02-11 4:35 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times There have been quite a few threads on this over the years. Based on those the majority of people seem to log their entire time in the pool, which throws off the average per 100, but gives them a sense of the overall workout (assuming they do the same one) that they can compare to later. I personally only log actual swim time and start/stop my watch after each swim interval. So what I have in my log is exactly the pace I "swam" for my workout. Others are different. I just think this is a better gauge for me then logging overall time (plus it doesn't "pad" the training log .... ....) |
2008-02-11 4:46 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times As Rick says, everyone is different. I enter the total time (because it just doesn't matter to me, it's irrelevant to what I am trying to do). I couldn't stop and start my watch, I keep my splits with my watch to reference later, so I am always resetting it. No way I could reconstruct it later. Besides, I don't need topad last year's 370,000 yards with additional hours The actual elapsed time is also irrelevant to me since some sets I swim easy, some sets I swim hard, some sets I swim pace, so the "overall" pace for any particular workout has nothign to do with my race pace (which is further affected by course measurements, waves, how many people, run to T1 times, etc etc.) Log however it makes most sense to you. Just keep swimming, you will get faster Edited by ChrisM 2008-02-11 4:47 PM |
2008-02-11 4:48 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Regular 86 Memphis, TN | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I do the same as Rick. I use my stopwatch and make sure it's only running when I'm actually working out. Edited by Wraith28k 2008-02-11 4:48 PM |
2008-02-11 4:50 PM in reply to: #1205922 |
Champion 6056 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times Daremo - 2008-02-11 4:35 PM There have been quite a few threads on this over the years. Based on those the majority of people seem to log their entire time in the pool, which throws off the average per 100, but gives them a sense of the overall workout (assuming they do the same one) that they can compare to later. I personally only log actual swim time and start/stop my watch after each swim interval. So what I have in my log is exactly the pace I "swam" for my workout. Others are different. I just think this is a better gauge for me then logging overall time (plus it doesn't "pad" the training log .... ....) x2 Yep. For me, it's swimming time only. No different than when I'm on a bike and I have to stop at stoplights-- my computer only records the time spent in motion and that's what I log. |
2008-02-11 4:53 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Veteran 379 NYC | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times My training program is distance based, not time, so putting the total time doesn't pad my times. I don't want to fool myself into thinking I can swim 1500m in 30 minutes, because if I had to do it without 2 or 3 breaks, I couldn't. Thanks for your replies. |
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2008-02-11 4:59 PM in reply to: #1205964 |
Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times Bossman - 2008-02-11 2:53 PM My training program is distance based, not time, so putting the total time doesn't pad my times. I don't want to fool myself into thinking I can swim 1500m in 30 minutes, because if I had to do it without 2 or 3 breaks, I couldn't. Thanks for your replies. Don't worry about "padding" anything. Honestly, swimmers don't talk in terms of swimming "5 hours last week." They talk in terms of swimming "5,000 yards last week." So don't worry about that. As you know, your time for 1500 meters isn't determined by how you log, but by how you train. Simply because you can do 2:00 / 100 in the pool does not mean your 1500 meter time will be 30 minutes. It might be, and might give you an estimate, but ( I assume you are ne to tris?) there are simply too many race variables. (also, if you swim yards, and the race is meters, add 8-10 seconds / 100 ). ETA - As an example, I can hold 1:12 or so/100 in a pool if I am in a groove. My last tri, I won my age group out of the water, and was 54/776 overall........ with a 1:53/100 pace. ETA II, sorry just remembered I also wanted to say that if you log the entire time you swim, don't autocalculate your pace, since as you've seen it's inaccurate. Better to swim a 1K time trial, or 10 100s on a set interval, to gauge where your swimming progress is. If you can hold a steady time for 10 consecutive 100s, that's a great indicator of your race pace. Getting faster in the pool is simply a function of swimming more with proper technique. DO that, i guarantee you will get faster.
Edited by ChrisM 2008-02-11 5:07 PM |
2008-02-11 5:08 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Master 1529 Living in the past | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times For me, it's a mixed bag.... I log my total yardage (that's what's most important to me as a newer swimmer), but I'll clock various interval sesssions of any "significant" length, maybe greater than 100 yards. This way I keep track of the yardage (which is how I have set my goals), but I also can see improvements in pace.....predictor of race performance |
2008-02-11 5:08 PM in reply to: #1205973 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times Yup, just log how you feel it will benefit you and so that you understand your references for later. Wasn't trying to prescribe one over the other, just giving the reasons I prefer the way that I do it. |
2008-02-11 5:09 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I look at the clock when I hop in the pool. Then I look at it again when I finish my workout. That is what I put in my log. So if I spent a lot of time between sets running my mouth, you will see a much slower per 100 yard time. I will time segments of my workout for actual swim splits, 400 for time or 6x100 descending to make sure I am descending. But total time is total in the pool including rest. I do the same thing for trackwork. It is total time entered in the log. I will time individual segments for actual run splits during the workout. It works for me. Do whatever works for you! Pam |
2008-02-11 6:14 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Master 1670 Harvard, Illinois | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I put down the time I enter the water until I get out. I don't care what my averages are on my log for the swim. |
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2008-02-11 6:32 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Master 2491 | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I also log total time, but if I swim a longer distance (1000, 1500, 2000) straight, I'll calculate the per 100 average of that part and put that information in the notes. |
2008-02-11 7:06 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I keep track of the workout itself and do not include rest intervals, I just keep track of say how fast I swim the set, not the rest. For the logs, I don't bother calculating the overall pace as it will include RI. It's easierr for me to go and look at the detail and see improvements that way. |
2008-02-11 7:08 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
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2008-02-11 9:52 PM in reply to: #1205912 |
Master 1651 Breckenridge, CO | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I just estimate my total time swimming based on the average speed at which I feel I'm currently swimming in a normal workout. |
2008-02-12 2:11 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I enter the total time and hit the calculate button. I post my individual times in my log to be able to look back and compare workouts over the years. |
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2008-02-12 7:26 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
Expert 1014 Virginia | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I log my total time and total yardage, because I like to keep track of how I'm doing because I'm just working up my swim yardage...so I like seeing my totals. It's cool to me to see that I can do 300 yards for a workout in 15 minutes when two months ago, that workout wouldn't have happened b/c I could only swim like 25 yards at a time, so it would have taken a lot longer. I also break down my workouts in the notes section, so that way I can see when I took a rest and exactly what I did. |
2008-02-12 8:08 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
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2008-02-12 9:16 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
Expert 834 Medina, MN | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times Not exactly what you asked, but I think the most important thing is that you're consistent. After a while, the time sitting on the wall should be a small percentage of your total pool time anyway... |
2008-02-12 9:17 AM in reply to: #1206593 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times rstocks3 - 2008-02-12 2:11 AM I enter the total time and hit the calculate button. I post my individual times in my log to be able to look back and compare workouts over the years. x2 |
2008-02-12 9:20 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
over a barrier | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times My pace for an entire workout is not important. Each workout serves a difference purpose. Having the average time is meaningless to me. I want to know which intervel I can hit and maintain within the workout...that is what is important to me. I log my total time in the pool. rest is part of the workout. I don't hit stop on the watch while cycling while caught at a red light or waiting to cross an intersection on the run.... |
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2008-02-12 9:55 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I try as best I can to only log actual swimming time but screw up my watch sometimes and forget to start or stop it. |
2008-02-12 10:01 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
Expert 1074 Madison, MS | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I enter total time just because it's easier than hitting the lap button every few hundred yards. Generally, my workouts are a mix of drill, kick, pull, and swim sets. If I have a particularly long swim set or a test set, I will time that separately to try and get a more accurate picture of my per 100 pace. |
2008-02-12 11:01 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times I basically just log the period from when I got in the pool to when I got out. Which includes rests, etc. It's too much of a hassle trying to time the sets of workouts when I'm by myself, and I always swim by myself; I don't have a coach or anything. I'm less concerned about my swim times as a newbie, since I'm satisfactory for what I want to accomplish (I'm not uber-competitive yet) and really need to focus on bringing the times down on the bike and the run. |
2008-02-12 11:55 AM in reply to: #1205912 |
Lethbridge, Alberta | Subject: RE: Training Logs - Swimming times Total time in the pool for me, unless I stop swimming for more than a minute or two. The average pace over the workout never made much sense to me so I don't calculate it, though I know some do make good use of it. I keep track of splits or intervals in the notes sometimes for comparison. Edited by Micawber 2008-02-12 11:56 AM |
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