Wheel cover - Which wheel?
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2008-03-21 8:26 AM |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: Wheel cover - Which wheel? So I ordered a wheel cover from Wheelbuilder.com and I have a couple options for which wheel to install it on. My race-wheels are a set of Mavic Cosmic Carbone, and I am thinking I will install the disc cover on this wheel... however, I also have a Shimano R-500 24 spoke training-wheels which I could also install it on. Is it smarter to install it on the Mavic? Am I thinking correctly? Thanks, Andy. |
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2008-03-21 8:29 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? I am not an expert but if you have race wheels I would install it on them. BTW, I have considered ordering one of these also just curious how much they charged for shipping? I know the covers are around $60 but did no see anything about shipping other than it might be alot. Thanks |
2008-03-21 8:30 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? I'd install it on the lighter wheel. |
2008-03-21 8:33 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Pro 4481 Reston | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? I don't think you do have an option. Unless you specified for them to trim the cover to fit your Carbone, you are going to have to use it on the Shimano. Otherwise there will be no way to screw the two sides together because the rim's deep section will be in the way. |
2008-03-21 8:42 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? If you race with the Mavic Carbone then I would get the disc cover for that. I have mine on a Jet 90. you can see it here: http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/photos/show-album.asp?albumid=6845&photoid=48926 edit to add: if you already ordered you might not have other option but to use it on a regular wheel unless you requested to have it trim to fit the carbones Edited by amiine 2008-03-21 8:47 AM |
2008-03-21 9:00 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? KD - Shipping was $13... the total came out to be $78 shipped. I did not get it trimmed. I just ordered an untrimmed cover. Im pretty handy, and should be able to trim it myself. (i hope) Im going to turn in my man card if I can't. So, I will try to install it on the carbone... Thanks for the pic amiine.. it actually looks really nice! |
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2008-03-21 9:10 AM in reply to: #1284936 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? ranger5oh - 2008-03-21 9:00 AM KD - Shipping was $13... the total came out to be $78 shipped. I did not get it trimmed. I just ordered an untrimmed cover. Im pretty handy, and should be able to trim it myself. (i hope) Im going to turn in my man card if I can't. So, I will try to install it on the carbone... Thanks for the pic amiine.. it actually looks really nice! Thanks. |
2008-03-21 9:54 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Master 3019 West Jordan, UT | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? Are you going to leave it on permanently? If so I might actually pick the r500. The disc cover will be providing all the race quilities of that wheel, and if there is ever a time you wanna go on some epic road ride, you aren't going to want the disc on are you? I'd use the least aero/light wheel cause you are going to add your own aero and teh cover is going make it a heavy wheel regardless.
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2008-03-21 10:23 AM in reply to: #1285105 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? tkbslc - 2008-03-21 9:54 AM Are you going to leave it on permanently? If so I might actually pick the r500. The disc cover will be providing all the race quilities of that wheel, and if there is ever a time you wanna go on some epic road ride, you aren't going to want the disc on are you? I'd use the least aero/light wheel cause you are going to add your own aero and teh cover is going make it a heavy wheel regardless.
I dont know... but actually, I think if it was on permanently it would be a better reason to put it on my race wheel as opposed to my training wheel, which I use everyday. |
2008-03-21 10:59 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Expert 937 Traverse Cityish | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? Thats a tough decision indeed. Part of me feels that putting a wheel cover on a Cosmic Carbone is like asking for Ketchup while you are dining at Mortons. On the other hand, it is the lighter of the wheelsets and dedicated for racing so it makes sense. How easy is it to take off for really windy days? |
2008-03-21 11:09 AM in reply to: #1285299 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? Nelg - 2008-03-21 10:59 AM Thats a tough decision indeed. Part of me feels that putting a wheel cover on a Cosmic Carbone is like asking for Ketchup while you are dining at Mortons. On the other hand, it is the lighter of the wheelsets and dedicated for racing so it makes sense. How easy is it to take off for really windy days? I have heard they are somewhat difficult to take off. I plan on using it for an upcoming duathlon and time trial i signed up for. Next big race after that is alcatraz, and I think I will be taking it off for that. The more and more I think about it, it makes sense on the carbone... if I put it on my training wheel, it has to be taken on and off a lot more. Which I imagine will ruin it. |
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2008-03-21 11:10 AM in reply to: #1285193 |
Master 3019 West Jordan, UT | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? ranger5oh - 2008-03-21 9:23 AM tkbslc - 2008-03-21 9:54 AM I dont know... but actually, I think if it was on permanently it would be a better reason to put it on my race wheel as opposed to my training wheel, which I use everyday. Are you going to leave it on permanently? If so I might actually pick the r500. The disc cover will be providing all the race quilities of that wheel, and if there is ever a time you wanna go on some epic road ride, you aren't going to want the disc on are you? I'd use the least aero/light wheel cause you are going to add your own aero and teh cover is going make it a heavy wheel regardless.
I assumed you use the carbones everyday. (I would want to if I had them) I kinda agree with nelg, you got a nice lightweight race wheel and you are going to turn it into a heavy disc. Kinda defeats the purpose of a disc cover because you'll likely have $500 into that wheel now. Maybe you oughta look for a mavic open pro rear wheel with a nice hub. I've heard the covers work great on those. |
2008-03-21 11:28 AM in reply to: #1285331 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? tkbslc - 2008-03-21 11:10 AM ranger5oh - 2008-03-21 9:23 AM tkbslc - 2008-03-21 9:54 AM I dont know... but actually, I think if it was on permanently it would be a better reason to put it on my race wheel as opposed to my training wheel, which I use everyday. Are you going to leave it on permanently? If so I might actually pick the r500. The disc cover will be providing all the race quilities of that wheel, and if there is ever a time you wanna go on some epic road ride, you aren't going to want the disc on are you? I'd use the least aero/light wheel cause you are going to add your own aero and teh cover is going make it a heavy wheel regardless.
I assumed you use the carbones everyday. (I would want to if I had them) I kinda agree with nelg, you got a nice lightweight race wheel and you are going to turn it into a heavy disc. Kinda defeats the purpose of a disc cover because you'll likely have $500 into that wheel now. Maybe you oughta look for a mavic open pro rear wheel with a nice hub. I've heard the covers work great on those. Since I have training wheels, I like to stick with them for my training rides. If nothing else, there is a mental benefit to swapping out your trianing wheels for the Carbones on race day All discs are "heavy" by comparison... but aero is(should be) more important on the TT and duathon I will be in. They are both very flat. I am actually curious how much this wheel cover is going to weigh. I plan on taking some pictures and weight measurements when I get it , and during the install process. |
2008-03-21 12:04 PM in reply to: #1284859 |
Master 3019 West Jordan, UT | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? I think aero does trump weight, but that is if you are talking flat rim vs disc wheel. Your carbones are already quite aero AND light, so that is great combo. Not sure how much more benefit going to full disc over deep dish is going to be. Will be interesting to see how it performs for you. I didn't get much sleep so sorry if I am not making any sense. I was just trying to say that it will probably perform almost the same no matter which wheel you use it on, so why not put it on the cheapest wheel to get the most "bang for the buck". You are basically going to cover up the aero rim and spokes you paid big bucks for on the mavic.
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2008-03-21 12:20 PM in reply to: #1284859 |
Elite 2423 | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? I am interested in this thread, just posting to subscribe. |
2008-03-21 12:38 PM in reply to: #1284859 |
Veteran 185 Grass Valley | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? This may sound stupid, but I'm going to ask anyways! If I put a wheel cover on can I still carry my bike on the top of my car? 1. Are side winds a problem? 2. Will the Thule strap go through where the valve stem is or some other location to hold the rear wheel down? Thanks Butch
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2008-03-21 12:39 PM in reply to: #1284859 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? I could probably try the Shimano first, and then cut it to the Mavic... but I wouldnt be able to go back. |
2008-03-21 1:01 PM in reply to: #1284859 |
Veteran 290 | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? i've contacted wheelbuilder in the past with questions about wheel covers for shimano wheels and they say they usually don't work well on shimano wheels because there is not enough room between the cassette and the spokes but either way I think the cosmic is a better option. |
2008-03-21 1:39 PM in reply to: #1285576 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? fa590 - 2008-03-21 1:01 PM i've contacted wheelbuilder in the past with questions about wheel covers for shimano wheels and they say they usually don't work well on shimano wheels because there is not enough room between the cassette and the spokes but either way I think the cosmic is a better option. Interesting.... I cant wait until I get the cover to try this out |
2008-03-21 3:30 PM in reply to: #1285326 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? A few thoughts: The covers are NOT difficult to take off. I do it all the time. All it requires is removing the cassette and undoing (or tightening) some screws to hold the cover together. It's a 5-10 minute job. Every once in awhile I take advantage of the cassette being off and give it an extra good cleaning--add another 5-10 minutes. The windy days are the days you REALLY want the disc. That's when it shines. Since the carbones are already aero, the advantage of the disc is less than going from a standard wheel. But it is still faster--no matter any weight penalty--on virtually any tri course. And the windier it is, the greater the advanatge in all likelihood. From the sound of things, I'd cut it for the Carbone. |
2008-03-21 3:31 PM in reply to: #1284859 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? A disc is faster in most conditions, IIRC the carbone wheels are only 40 mm deep hence why not convert your real wheel into a disc in particular since those are the racing wheels? unlesss you want a disc for training which sort of defeats the benefits you'll get on race day. |
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2008-03-22 12:14 PM in reply to: #1285994 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? amiine - 2008-03-21 3:31 PM A disc is faster in most conditions, IIRC the carbone wheels are only 40 mm deep hence why not convert your real wheel into a disc in particular since those are the racing wheels? unlesss you want a disc for training which sort of defeats the benefits you'll get on race day. Yeah, they are actually 52mm deep. Sort of a random number, but they work well. Ive basically decided to put it on the Mavic. Sure, the aero benefit will be less, but this way my race wheels are my race wheels... and it will look cooler, which we all know is of the utmost importance Its in a truck in California right now... Hopefully I should have it by Thursday or so. |
2008-03-24 8:00 AM in reply to: #1285326 |
Extreme Veteran 415 Leander, Texas | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? ranger5oh - 2008-03-21 11:09 AM I have heard they are somewhat difficult to take off. I suppose it depends on the wheel, but I have mine on my Mavic Ksyrium SSC's and have had no trouble putting them on and taking them off. It takes a while becaue you have to unscrew each of the plastic brads that hold the cover on (use a nickel in the grooves, not a screwdriver . . . trust me). You also have to remove the cassette to get the drive train side cover off. It's not hard, just time-consuming. ranger5oh - 2008-03-21 11:09 AM The more and more I think about it, it makes sense on the carbone... if I put it on my training wheel, it has to be taken on and off a lot more. Which I imagine will ruin it. There's really no reason to put it on your training wheel at all. You probably shouldn't (and won't want to) be training with it on a daily basis. If you want to do a training session using the disc cover on occasion, just take your race wheel out on the training ride. |
2008-03-24 8:24 AM in reply to: #1284859 |
Champion 4902 Ottawa, Ontario | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? Okay, I want a wheel cover!!! Where can I order one??? |
2008-03-24 8:25 AM in reply to: #1289135 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Wheel cover - Which wheel? Machiavelo - 2008-03-24 8:24 AM Okay, I want a wheel cover!!! Where can I order one??? wheelbuilder.com |
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