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 2008-06-23 1:00 PM |
Veteran  266   Mandeville, la |  Subject: being brutal or a state of mind?I was talking to a old friend about getting into triathlons. His thoughts on it are "its trying on the body and it can take its toll over time". Sure I believe in some ways that putting the human body though such training and sports can harm a person over time if they are exessive over it. I personaly dont plan to do it so much that it will wear my older body down. But i wonder how many of you out there believe in his thoery that tri's are just another way to wear down a body before its time? Is it being brutal to your body, or just a mental state of mind? |
| 2008-06-23 1:06 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Regular 69 Lafayette, CO | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? roxygirl - 2008-06-23 12:00 PM "its trying on the body and it can take its toll over time". So are Big Macs. :D I think it definitely can wear you down, but if you take precautions like getting good rest and icing, then I think it can only help you live longer. Unless of course you get hit by a car, then that just sucks. E Edited by emartin10 2008-06-23 1:06 PM |
| 2008-06-23 1:07 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? I truly beleive that triathlon will only strengthen your body over time. I meet people all the time who refuse to run because it's "bad for your knees" or is "rough on your body." IMO, this is a sign of a weak and lazy person. Not to bash your friend, but he is either scared or severely misinformed. Now, if you don't go about it the right way(too much too soon, poor form, etc) you can do harm to your body... |
| 2008-06-23 1:09 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Expert 1040 SF Bay Area | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? That line of thinking normally comes from people who are not athletic. There could be SOME truth to it in terms of wear and tear on the joints but overall, a healthy athletic lifestyle will add quality to the years you have left. You wear down a body faster through inactivity, stress, and poor diet. Your body was made to move, so move it. |
| 2008-06-23 1:10 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Master 1678 Olney, MD | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? I think any sport has the potential to wear out the body if you don't train properly, get enough rest, and allow your body recovery time when necessary. People get hurt and wear out their bodies when they overtrain and choose to ignore aches, pains, and fatigue. Personally I'd prefer to wear my body out by doing something athletic vs. sitting on the couch getting fat and lazy.  |
| 2008-06-23 1:11 PM in reply to: #1483679 |
Master 2021 Alpharetta, GA | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? AndrewMT - 2008-06-23 2:07 PM I truly beleive that triathlon will only strengthen your body over time. I meet people all the time who refuse to run because it's "bad for your knees" or is "rough on your body." IMO, this is a sign of a weak and lazy person. Not to bash your friend, but he is either scared or severely misinformed. Now, if you don't go about it the right way(too much too soon, poor form, etc) you can do harm to your body... Agreed, or a sign of someone who is scared to "tri" something difficult. (sorry, I could not help myself) |
| 2008-06-23 1:16 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Veteran 266 Mandeville, la | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? I agree as well with many of what you have said. Id rather wear my body out by doing something active than being inactive. That is what has me at awe sometimes when i walk through stores like walmart or even the mall that some have let themselves go so badly. But comend someone that is going slow on a bike or walking on the trail at a heavy size, because at least they are making an effort to better themselves or simply get out. I get tired of hearing flack from those that claim all that we all do in training for tri's as a bad thing to do to our knees or backs, etc.. when they have alot of room to talk sitting on a barstool eating fattening food while watching a football game. |
| 2008-06-23 1:16 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Runner | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? Inarguable fact: 100% of people who train for a triathlon die. Of course, 100% of people who do not train for a triathlon die. |
| 2008-06-23 1:17 PM in reply to: #1483716 |
Runner | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? roxygirl - 2008-06-23 2:16 PM ...sitting on a barstool eating fattening food while watching a football game. I've found this to be a good supplement to my daily training, personally. YMMV. |
| 2008-06-23 1:29 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Expert 1040 SF Bay Area | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? IMO, 1 hour of softball per week is harder on your body yet no one seems to question that. Some people think that the sport of triathlon is synonymous with "Ironman", they also think that any running race is a "Marathon". |
| 2008-06-23 2:14 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Extreme Veteran 385 shenandoah valley | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? Tough on the body??? It's not like being an interior lineman in the NFL, now that's tough on the body. |
| 2008-06-23 2:54 PM in reply to: #1483926 |
Champion 11989 Philly 'burbs | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? mrussell - 2008-06-23 3:14 PM Tough on the body??? It's not like being an interior lineman in the NFL, now that's tough on the body.
I think he means if that's all you do; sit around eating and drinking and watching tv, then go out once a week and play softball. Recipe for injury. |
| 2008-06-23 3:22 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
| Expert 1233 | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? Who couldn't guess at the responses to this thread! Of course we are all going to disagree that we do any harm to ourselves in this sport. That said, there really isn't that much scientific evidence that shows endurance sports cause any long term problems. There was a study of marathon runners that purported to show possible heart damage after running a marathon, but the indicators that they used (an increase in some chemical or protein in the body that is the same thing found in some heart attack cases) have some other medical people questioning the study. |
| 2008-06-23 3:25 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Expert 602 Ontario, Canada | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? Like you said, if excessive, may cause wear and tear on the joints and do more harm than good in the long run. In moderation and done properly, will make you stronger and do more good than harm in the long run. Edited by patricia7 2008-06-23 3:28 PM |
| 2008-06-23 6:14 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? Simple fact is .. exercise is good for just about everyone but anything in excess is bad. I think it would take an extremely significant amount of triathlon to get to the point you were doing more harm than good. Im gonna keep at it... good or bad... i love it |
| 2008-06-23 7:34 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? If I was training at the elite level (similar training load) then I would be concern about long term health issues due to the excessive stress on the body but at our level not at all, in fact I think it will benefit my health in the long term. But even if it doesn't I rather live and die doing something I enjoy... |
| 2008-06-23 8:17 PM in reply to: #1484800 |
Expert 1318 | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? amiine - 2008-06-23 7:34 PM If I was training at the elite level (similar training load) then I would be concern about long term health issues due to the excessive stress on the body but at our level not at all, in fact I think it will benefit my health in the long term. But even if it doesn't I rather live and die doing something I enjoy... x2.. Pretty much the nail on the head right there. |
| 2008-06-23 8:55 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Extreme Veteran 492 Cleveland, Ohio | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? roxygirl - 2008-06-23 2:00 PM But i wonder how many of you out there believe in his thoery that tri's are just another way to wear down a body before its time? Training through injuries and exhaustion will surely wear you down. But your body is going to be way worse off sitting on a couch eating chips. I'm all for any balanced amount of athletics (balanced according to each person's body and time available) in any sport. |
| 2008-06-23 9:13 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Master 1686 Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? roxygirl - 2008-06-23 2:00 PM I was talking to a old friend about getting into triathlons. His thoughts on it are "its trying on the body and it can take its toll over time". Sure I believe in some ways that putting the human body though such training and sports can harm a person over time if they are exessive over it. I personaly dont plan to do it so much that it will wear my older body down. But i wonder how many of you out there believe in his thoery that tri's are just another way to wear down a body before its time? Is it being brutal to your body, or just a mental state of mind? You know I actually heard that fairly often this year, especially after events like the Chicago marathon fiasco and Ryan Shay's death, which do support this point of view. But I'd rather point out the Sister Madonna Bulder's or the Robert McKeague's or the 101 year old dude who is trying to run a marathon over in England. Triathlon training does put a lot of stress on your body, but your body adapts, grows, and strengthens because of that stress and your overall health improves. I would say the 65+ pounds I no longer carry around with me put more wear and tear on my body 24 hours a day 7 days a week than my 10 hour a week training routine does now. |
| 2008-06-23 9:16 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? "Every man dies....not every man really lives." William Wallace, Braveheart. There will always be people who look at us and feel guilty about their own inactivity and/or laziness and try to come up with rationizations why they do not exercise. It's kinda like the smoker who says they don't quit becuase then they will gain a lot of weight and being over-weight is bad for their health. One can rationize pretty much anything.....and in today's world, you can even find something on the internet to back you up too! :-) BTW, who decides what is 'brutal' to the body? So someone out of shape, 'brutal' might be a 5 mile run. ~Mike Edited by Rogillio 2008-06-23 9:18 PM |
| 2008-06-23 9:27 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Expert 1014 Virginia | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? from where i sit, exercising and eating right and losing weight for races is a heck of a lot less stress on the body than the extra weight. i have lost some and have a lot left to go, but still, i'd rather destroy my body working to get healthy and doing a sport i'm enjoying than destroy my body sitting on the couch. |
| 2008-06-23 9:44 PM in reply to: #1483652 |
Elite 3067 Cheesehead, WI | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? my orthopedic doc told me that unless I am running 100 miles a week and doing marathons monthly; that running actually will strenthen a body - helps bones, muscles and ligaments. (and believe me, I am not a big runner so I'm relieved). Also - biking is non-jarring as with swimming - thus easy on the joints. All three sports are tremendous for aerobic capacity and overall fitness thus adding years to our lives! And we also benefit from being toned, able to fit into clothes we may not have been able to as we age, and being on BT keeps our minds sharp with all the chit chat and typing.... |
| 2008-06-24 7:21 AM in reply to: #1483652 |
Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? When I first started running, my knees were so bad that I ended up in a brace and had a limp for a bit. An ortho doc said I should never bike or run due to the type of movement in the knee. Nine years later, my knees are in great shape and I'm training for my 5th marathon and first triathlon. Sure there are times during training when my body hurts and is tired, and I've had a few injuries, but I usually come out stronger in the end and have learned so much about what my body is capable of. Being part of all three sports has improved my life, both physically and mentally, so I figure the rewards far outweigh any possible risks. |
| 2008-06-24 8:00 AM in reply to: #1483652 |
Champion 7547 Albuquerque, New Mexico Bronze member | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind?
Good luck collecting a refund on the "unused" portion of your body when you die? Seriously. what would you be "saving" your body for? |
| 2008-06-24 9:09 AM in reply to: #1483652 |
Expert 828 | Subject: RE: being brutal or a state of mind? Nothing scientific about this statement...Just strictly based on what I see day in day out as a PA in a radiation clinic......I've seen a few patients in the last decade here who were athletes of some kind come in with the tell-all scar on the knee from a total knee replacement, ACL repair, or simple scopes. However, I have seen those scars on far more patients who are obese and haven't had their heart rate over 150 since the last time the elevator was broken and they had to walk two flights of stairs. Sure, any athletic activity puts you at risk of injury. Tri's undoubtedly come with SOME wear and tear. But saying tri's can cause harm, and he therefore avoids them, is kind of like saying seatbelts can potentially trap you in your car should you crash into a lake causing you to drown so you shouldn't wear it....In the long run, swimming, biking, and running, will be beneficial and lead to a longer, higher quality life....(as does wearing your seatbelt.....sorry, had to throw that in. Just had argument with someone on that subject) |
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