Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace
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2008-08-06 9:23 AM |
Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I'm (hopefully) getting closer and closer to getting a P2C and have been told by many, including the guy at the shop I'll buy from, that I should just save the $500 and get the Ultegra instead of the Dura Ace since the only difference is the derailleurs. But just about everyone I see with a P2C seems to have the Dura Ace. For those of you who have either bike, or anyone with thoughts on one vs. the other, do you think it's worth it to spend the little extra and go for the DA? |
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2008-08-06 9:24 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace Yes...you should save the $500. I doubt most people could even tell the difference between how Ultegra shifts vs. Dura Ace. They both work exceptionally well. |
2008-08-06 9:25 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace It's lighter and that's the main reason to get it. |
2008-08-06 9:42 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace Thats not the only difference... here is a quote from Demerly's site "When Cervelo speced the P2C Ultegra they differentiated it from the Dura-Ace version with subtle changes that include: Wolf TT aerodynamic carbon fiber fork with thick wall aluminum alloy steer tube and fork crown as opposed to the Wolf CL fork specified on the Dura-Ace P2C that uses a carbon fiber fork crown and a thin wall cro-moly steer tube. Shimano R500 wheels on the P2C Ultegra as opposed to R550 wheels on the P2C Dura-Ace. The R500 has conventional āJā bend spoke attachment at the hub flange whereas the R550 uses a straight pull spoking configuration. FSA Gossamer crank on P2C Ultegra as opposed to FSA SLK Mega-Exo carbon fiber crank on P2C Dura-Ace. Dia-Compe 188 brake levers on P2C Ultegra as opposed to FSA aerodynamic brake levers on P2C Dura-Ace. Shimano Ultegra front and rear derailleurs on P2C Ultegra as opposed to Dura-Ace front and rear derailleurs on P2C Dura-Ace (see differences here). " If you want to read the whole article, it is located here: http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/p2c-08-ultegra.shtml And the DA review is here : http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/reviews/cerveloP2C2008.shtml I personally ride a P2C Ultegra and love it. I was lucky enough to get oe of the first 500 or so bikes that came with the Carbon cranks though. I love the bike! |
2008-08-06 9:46 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Extreme Veteran 576 Bethpage, New York | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I'd have to say save the $500 and put it towards a set of race wheels (or household bills, which aren't as fun as race wheels). I think most people wouldn't be able to feel the difference in shifting between the ULT and DA components. There may be a weight difference, but just get out and ride a little more during training....it's not like the ULT version comes with a cinder block attached to the back! |
2008-08-06 9:48 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace Good summary of the differences above. I'd still say you're likely better off saving the $500 and getting the Ultegra. |
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2008-08-06 9:53 AM in reply to: #1584944 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I've been entertaining the same decision for the last couple days as well. I'm most likely going with the Ultegra version. HOWEVER, something else that may or may not be important..... Paint scheme. If I was more on the fence, the Red/White/Black of the DA looks better to me than the Grey/Black of the Ultegra. I wanted a little color in my bike, but I would still rather save the cash and have a head start on some race wheels (which is the plan for me). |
2008-08-06 9:59 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Veteran 385 Chaska, MN | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I agree VERY nice write up on the differences! I'd probably go Ult. as well. $500 is almost half way to better wheels anyway. I do lean toward the paint scheme of the DA but not $500 more. Either way...Nice Ride!!!! |
2008-08-06 10:00 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace This is all really helpful. I think I read somewhere on Demerly's site that the weight difference was equal to 4 business cards, or something similar, so I was curious if there was more to it. I agree on the color as well. I thought I preferred the silver, but after some thought, think I'd miss having color as well, but for 500 bucks savings, I can live with it! |
2008-08-06 10:04 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Extreme Veteran 483 Pacific NW | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I ended up with the P2C Ultegra and have been VERY happy with it. However, I did upgrade the Gossamer cranks to DA. Lord knows why they put such a long crank on a small size bike... I had to change the crank out anyway, so I went with the DA. If you have a similar issue, you could of course go with something cheaper. Yay, a new bike!!!!! |
2008-08-06 10:16 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Champion 6962 Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace The only reason I am riding the DA instead of the Ultegra is because they didn't have the Ultegra in my size and I needed it for a big race. Save the cash and buy an Aero Helmet or hire a coach. It comes down to is Red/White paint worth $500? For some, it is. That question is for you to answer. |
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2008-08-06 11:21 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Champion 5345 Carlsbad, California | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace The reality is that for the factory build kits, there is suprisingly little difference between the two. The DA kit is not a complete DuraAce package and really only has DA components where they thought they were needed the most. Cranks, Chain, Cassette, Brakes are all essentially the same in both kits. Best of all, they both have DA shift levers which as the reviewers are quick to point out, is really what matters in terms of feel anyway. ETA: Whichever model you do decide to purchase, don't pay full retail price. There are a ton of deals to be had out there. Most DA versions are in the $2,500 range and most of the Ultegra models are in the $2,200 range.
Edited by WaterDog66 2008-08-06 11:25 AM |
2008-08-06 12:39 PM in reply to: #1585247 |
Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace WaterDog66 - 2008-08-06 12:21 PM The reality is that for the factory build kits, there is suprisingly little difference between the two. The DA kit is not a complete DuraAce package and really only has DA components where they thought they were needed the most. Cranks, Chain, Cassette, Brakes are all essentially the same in both kits. Best of all, they both have DA shift levers which as the reviewers are quick to point out, is really what matters in terms of feel anyway. ETA: Whichever model you do decide to purchase, don't pay full retail price. There are a ton of deals to be had out there. Most DA versions are in the $2,500 range and most of the Ultegra models are in the $2,200 range.
Are the deals out in the open or do you have to ask for it? I have just started seriously shopping and when I talked pricing with the shop I'm looking at buying from, they quoted me the straight MSRP ($2,500 Ultegra and $3,000 DA). I'm in NYC so I may have a pricing disadvantage there, but I'm curious if I need to push for a deal as I get closer to buying. |
2008-08-06 1:32 PM in reply to: #1585512 |
Champion 5345 Carlsbad, California | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace LazyMarathoner - 2008-08-06 10:39 AM Are the deals out in the open or do you have to ask for it? I have just started seriously shopping and when I talked pricing with the shop I'm looking at buying from, they quoted me the straight MSRP ($2,500 Ultegra and $3,000 DA). I'm in NYC so I may have a pricing disadvantage there, but I'm curious if I need to push for a deal as I get closer to buying. Trek Superstore is currently offering the P2C DA model for $2,699 along side the Ultegra at Retail $2,499. Nytro is offering a 15% discount off of Retail on both models (I think they are still on sale and also offer free pedals with the ride) Closer to home for you. Placid Planet is currently offering the DA model for $2,699 and the Ultegra model for $2,249. All of these stores are selling shipping bikes meaning that they are not moving old inventory. The bike you get will have the latest build kits shipping from Cervelo. |
2008-08-06 1:40 PM in reply to: #1585714 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace WaterDog66 - 2008-08-06 11:32 AM LazyMarathoner - 2008-08-06 10:39 AM Are the deals out in the open or do you have to ask for it? I have just started seriously shopping and when I talked pricing with the shop I'm looking at buying from, they quoted me the straight MSRP ($2,500 Ultegra and $3,000 DA). I'm in NYC so I may have a pricing disadvantage there, but I'm curious if I need to push for a deal as I get closer to buying. Trek Superstore is currently offering the P2C DA model for $2,699 along side the Ultegra at Retail $2,499. Nytro is offering a 15% discount off of Retail on both models (I think they are still on sale and also offer free pedals with the ride) Closer to home for you. Placid Planet is currently offering the DA model for $2,699 and the Ultegra model for $2,249. All of these stores are selling shipping bikes meaning that they are not moving old inventory. The bike you get will have the latest build kits shipping from Cervelo. Those deals sound appealing - it may be worth mentioning to your LBS to see if they may price match. I may try that with mine, but even not, they provide free service for the first year and a free proffesional fit (Using the F.I.S.T method). That could be worth a couple hundred as well. They said that during my fitting, If I need to swap out stems or something, they would do that and I would only pay the difference. Not sure if you can get that online. Sometimes it's more than the bottom line. You are also paying for a relationship with you LBS... |
2008-08-06 1:43 PM in reply to: #1584856 |
Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I've heard the Ultegra are actually more durable, too. |
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2008-08-06 2:32 PM in reply to: #1584856 |
Master 3546 Millersville, MD | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace Personally, I think the ultegra color scheme is bad A. You can put a sticker on it if you want some color. Or you have the little adjustment on the seat post that's a nice aqua blue - there's your color! |
2008-08-06 4:37 PM in reply to: #1584856 |
Champion 5345 Carlsbad, California | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace You could also order it with a Nude Frame |
2008-08-06 6:34 PM in reply to: #1584856 |
Expert 866 | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace P2C Ultegra, then purchased race wheels. I've never ridden on Dura Ace so I would not really know the difference, but I do love my race wheels (Hed 3's). |
2008-08-06 11:44 PM in reply to: #1584856 |
Master 2202 St. Louis | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace Honestly, what I would do is get the Ultegra model and upgrade the brakes and brake levers. The stock ones are POS's if you ask me. |
2008-08-07 6:23 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
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2008-08-07 6:49 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Master 2021 Alpharetta, GA | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace Go with the Ultegra, and use it to buy aero helmet, 575 disc, half way to race wheels, etc... Personally, I love the grey/black/white paint on the P2. I know you did not ask, but that is my 2 cents. |
2008-08-07 6:52 AM in reply to: #1587119 |
Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace Coldfire - 2008-08-07 7:49 AM Go with the Ultegra, and use it to buy aero helmet, 575 disc, half way to race wheels, etc... Personally, I love the grey/black/white paint on the P2. I know you did not ask, but that is my 2 cents. It's a good 2 cents. I like it too and see it a lot less. I guess most people felt the DA was worth the extra cash, or they got good deals. I just can't wait to get it! |
2008-08-07 6:52 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I have always been of the mindset to get the Most Bike you can afford. For me that was the P2C. My roadie is also Ultegra, so I didn't see much benefit of going to DA. But if I had an extra $500 I would have thought about it. Other than that, just look at the color and decide. If you like the black bike (which I do, my roadie is also black) then go for that, otherwise go with the Red. Other than that you probably will not notice a diference. |
2008-09-15 1:22 AM in reply to: #1584856 |
7 | Subject: RE: Cervelo P2C Ultegra vs. Dura Ace I am shopping for a P2C, so this thread has good and timely info. Thanks! |
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