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 2009-02-06 3:08 PM |
 DC |  Subject: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. laterI'm curious about completing a HIM & my 1st IM 2 weeks later. Both are relatively "easy" flat courses & I'm not concerned about reaching the podium... just finishing the IM. I'm one of those "middle-of-the-pack dudes". My thinking is that I would complete the HIM w/moderate effort (not too fast not too slow [eg, high cadence]) & use the 2 weeks after for tapering. I completed my first HIM last year (a difficult super hilly course) and was back training for a marathon in two days. (I ran yet another marathon after that marathon w/in a two-week period.) Thoughts? |
| 2009-02-06 3:19 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
| Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later I wouldn't. That period is for rest, not a very long training day. Even a moderately paced HIM will take several days of recovery. Recovery does not equal taper I did a HIM 5 weeks out from IM last year. That was OK, but still a little too close Just my .02 Also might want to ask in the Iron training forum |
| 2009-02-06 3:24 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
Master  1848    Canandaigua | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Gotta agree with the above. The IM you'll be thinking about the HIM. I would not enjoy getting through a HIM if I'm not recovered. If you can't enjoy it why do it. |
| 2009-02-06 3:27 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Porfirio - 2009-02-06 2:08 PM I'm curious about completing a HIM & my 1st IM 2 weeks later. Both are relatively "easy" flat courses & I'm not concerned about reaching the podium... just finishing the IM. I'm one of those "middle-of-the-pack dudes". My thinking is that I would complete the HIM w/moderate effort (not too fast not too slow [eg, high cadence]) & use the 2 weeks after for tapering. I completed my first HIM last year (a difficult super hilly course) and was back training for a marathon in two days. (I ran yet another marathon after that marathon w/in a two-week period.) Thoughts? What, you didn't get the answers you liked on another forum so you're looking here? Amazingly enough, the responses are pretty much the same. "It can be done, but I wouldn't do it" John |
| 2009-02-06 3:29 PM in reply to: #1949729 |
| DC | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Hmmm. Well said. Although there's an alternate school of thought that would suggest not "racing" the HIM. Also, I neglected to mention, the HIM run will be on grass/gravel. Also, I don't usually require recovery time for a half marathon. In the highest peak of training (June-August), my weekly long runs are 20 miles & I usu. don't miss them. |
| 2009-02-06 3:32 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
Expert 757 Florida | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later its up to you...... The general consesus from the more experience triathlete's is that while it COULD be doable it's not advisable. It seems like you are trying to explain that you can do it..... No one is telling you no....just that they wouldn't recommend it. What you ultimately do is up to you. Edited by BeginnerMan 2009-02-06 3:32 PM |
| 2009-02-06 3:35 PM in reply to: #1949736 |
| DC | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later "What, you didn't get the answers you liked on another forum so you're looking here? Amazingly enough, the responses are pretty much the same. "It can be done, but I wouldn't do it" John The wonder of the humanities is that we all have our own circumstantial realities... that is, people do have different opinion. Besides, if my post bothers you (I DON'T know HOW!?), then move on. Life's too short to stress. |
| 2009-02-06 3:37 PM in reply to: #1949748 |
| DC | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later BeginnerMan - 2009-02-06 3:32 PM its up to you...... The general consesus from the more experience triathlete's is that while it COULD be doable it's not advisable. It seems like you are trying to explain that you can do it..... No one is telling you no....just that they wouldn't recommend it. What you ultimately do is up to you. Thanks. That helps. |
| 2009-02-06 3:39 PM in reply to: #1949758 |
Elite 4048 Gilbert, Az. | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Porfirio - 2009-02-06 2:35 PM "What, you didn't get the answers you liked on another forum so you're looking here? Amazingly enough, the responses are pretty much the same. "It can be done, but I wouldn't do it" John The wonder of the humanities is that we all have our own circumstantial realities... that is, people do have different opinion. Besides, if my post bothers you (I DON'T know HOW!?), then move on. Life's too short to stress. Heh. It doesn't bother me. I just find it amusing that you posted the same question on another forum, got mostly answers that thought it wasn't that great an idea (Except for R10C and he's a bit out there anyway), then ran over here and posted the same question (And gave almost the same, word for word responses) and got the same answers here as there. Chase your tail all you want. Take your bad@!# 2 marathons in 2 weeks self and do the HIM and IM. I wouldn't, but I'm not you. :D Have fun with it, do well, be happy! :D John |
| 2009-02-06 3:44 PM in reply to: #1949768 |
| DC | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later tkd.teacher - 2009-02-06 3:39 PM Porfirio - 2009-02-06 2:35 PM "What, you didn't get the answers you liked on another forum so you're looking here? Amazingly enough, the responses are pretty much the same. "It can be done, but I wouldn't do it" John The wonder of the humanities is that we all have our own circumstantial realities... that is, people do have different opinion. Besides, if my post bothers you (I DON'T know HOW!?), then move on. Life's too short to stress. Heh. It doesn't bother me. I just find it amusing that you posted the same question on another forum, got mostly answers that thought it wasn't that great an idea (Except for R10C and he's a bit out there anyway), then ran over here and posted the same question (And gave almost the same, word for word responses) and got the same answers here as there. Chase your tail all you want. Take your bad@!# 2 marathons in 2 weeks self and do the HIM and IM. I wouldn't, but I'm not you. :D Have fun with it, do well, be happy! :D John |
| 2009-02-06 3:49 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Sure, you could try to do it and probably succeed. But seriously .. why?? It is not like there won't be another HIM another time of the year. |
| 2009-02-06 3:54 PM in reply to: #1949763 |
Expert 757 Florida | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Porfirio - 2009-02-06 4:37 PM BeginnerMan - 2009-02-06 3:32 PM its up to you...... The general consesus from the more experience triathlete's is that while it COULD be doable it's not advisable. It seems like you are trying to explain that you can do it..... No one is telling you no....just that they wouldn't recommend it. What you ultimately do is up to you. Thanks. That helps. no problem. |
| 2009-02-06 3:56 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
| Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later nm OK, just saw the other thread. I always wonder about posters that have the answer they want in their head yet ask for our thoughts anyway, only to shoot them down cuz they already got the answer in their head??? Anyway, best of luck to you Edited by ChrisM 2009-02-06 4:17 PM |
| 2009-02-06 5:21 PM in reply to: #1949712 |
Master 1524 Reston, VA | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later ChrisM - 2009-02-06 4:19 PM I wouldn't. That period is for rest, not a very long training day. Even a moderately paced HIM will take several days of recovery. Recovery does not equal taper I did a HIM 5 weeks out from IM last year. That was OK, but still a little too close Just my .02 Also might want to ask in the Iron training forum PRETEND THIS IS IN RED: But, I thought that whatever didn't kill you made you HTFU? |
| 2009-02-06 5:23 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later My first IM was Lake Placid '04. At that stage of things, I had done 27 triathlons, including 9 half irons. I really wanted to do the inaugural Musselman, which was two weeks out from IMLP, and even though my coach was going there to do the half himself, he STRICTLY FORBADE me from doing it - so I settled for the sprint there the same day. In hindsight, this was very wise. Even though I was very experienced at HIM, there are just too many things that can go wrong at that distance, and too much (training time, money, personal psyche) had gone into IMLP to risk something happening that would dramatically affect my performance there. So, unless your first IM is nothing more than a "C" race  for you, take a pass on the half this time around!Edited by stevebradley 2009-02-06 5:39 PM |
| 2009-02-06 5:28 PM in reply to: #1949940 |
| Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later hooslisa - 2009-02-06 3:21 PM ChrisM - 2009-02-06 4:19 PM PRETEND THIS IS IN RED: But, I thought that whatever didn't kill you made you HTFU?I wouldn't. That period is for rest, not a very long training day. Even a moderately paced HIM will take several days of recovery. Recovery does not equal taper I did a HIM 5 weeks out from IM last year. That was OK, but still a little too close Just my .02 Also might want to ask in the Iron training forum Yeah, this will kill you though |
| 2009-02-06 5:41 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Something about paying 150-250 then 250-500 for some races where I wouldn't be putting out 100% on either of them puts me off. |
| 2009-02-06 8:47 PM in reply to: #1949686 |
Expert 1215 Austin, TX | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Why spend good money on a 1/2 IM if it is just a training day? Save the dough and invest it in an aero helmet if the money is burning a hole in your pocket. Stay focused on doing well at your first IM. All that being said, if you really feel you must do both races 2 weeks apart, go for it. It sounds like this is something you just want to check off of your to do list. If that is the case, consider doing Triple T or Ultraman. Now one of those will really test you
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 2009-02-06 8:59 PM in reply to: #1949738 |
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| 2009-02-07 9:09 AM in reply to: #1950144 |
| Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Bumble Bee wrote "It sounds like this is something you just want to check off of your to do list", and if that's the case then there WILL be time for you to do this. The coach I referred to a few posts above, who forbade me from doing Musselman and then IMLP (as my first IM) two weeks later, did EXACTLY that himself -- but at that time IMLP '04 was his 10th IM! Patience, my man, patience! |
| 2009-02-07 9:15 AM in reply to: #1949686 |
| DC | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Thank you all for your comments... I do sincerely appreciate them. Contrary to the belief that I'm "forcing" the answer I want, the reality is that like most others, I have to work my active life around my "other" life. That said, I'm hearing that the HIM, in particular, is too long of a course where too many things can go wrong. Does anyone ever do "maintenance" races for an IM (e.g., sprint or olympic)? |
| 2009-02-07 10:05 AM in reply to: #1950365 |
| Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Sure, people even do HIM's in preparation. They just don't do them 2 weeks before their main race. I did an iron distance aqua velo (swim/bike) 6 weeks before IMFL and worked on my pacing and distance in a race environment since it was a similar course style. Worked out well to see where I needed to make changes in my approach. |
| 2009-02-07 10:15 AM in reply to: #1949686 |
| Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later I think you can do it as long as you do not get caught up in the moment and over exert at the HIM. Use the HIM as a long training/learning experience and stay within yourself through each leg. I got myself into a similar situation with HIM's two weeks apart. I was training for Boise 70.3 as my "A" race for the season when my wife decided she wanted to do the Hawaii 70.3 which is two weeks before Boise. Now I am not going to pass up the opportunity to ride the Queen K (bike is on the north half of the Ironman course). I am just going to take in the experience and have fun with it. For me the clock will be off. Then recover/taper for Boise. I probably will not do as well at Boise but oh what fun I am going to have through the whole experience. Good luck in your quest. |
| 2009-02-07 1:59 PM in reply to: #1950365 |
| Expert 757 Florida | Subject: RE: HIM & my 1st IM 2 wks. later Porfirio - 2009-02-07 10:15 AM Thank you all for your comments... I do sincerely appreciate them. Contrary to the belief that I'm "forcing" the answer I want, the reality is that like most others, I have to work my active life around my "other" life. That said, I'm hearing that the HIM, in particular, is too long of a course where too many things can go wrong. Does anyone ever do "maintenance" races for an IM (e.g., sprint or olympic)? most definitely! And races like oly's and such are good distances as well to help get ready for the longer courses, try to fit the amount of races into your schedule that you think you can manage without injuries etc.. good luck! Edited by BeginnerMan 2009-02-07 2:00 PM |
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