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2009-07-20 1:29 PM
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A few more comments... 

As for "indoor" mode... I am sure it is there, but I haven't looked for it yet...  I would love it if that was an option for the "Other" mode.

HR in the water won't likely work even with the new strap (I have one ordered, so I will let you know when I get it and try it for comfort), but the transmission technology that they use won't pass through water, so other than an occasional weird reading, the HRM stuff is useless in "Other" mode.

So... for Garmin....  beyond the above topic, one other thing... have a small "watch/clock" on the face when the unit is turned off... I hate having to turn on the watch to find out what tiem it is as I wait for my wave to start... this can't be much of a battery drain.

This weekend...  I had a little over 7 hours on the unit and when I plugged it in (briefly... I am going to push it to running out of batter this time) it showed 57% remaining... meaning (if the discharge is linear) about 16.5 hours of time per charge. 



2009-07-20 2:57 PM
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keyone - 2009-07-18 8:34 PM
salamander99 - 2009-07-18 8:18 PM Any one having trouble downloading (or uploading) to BT? My 310xt loaded perfectly on tuesday. Now, it will only load the time and distance--it will not load lap data. I have even left it "uploading data" for well over an hour but it just keeps running without loading the data. There isn't that much--only a 2 hour bike ride.
Ya, there's a thread over in Training Log and Support board.

And it was fixed around noon today (7/20).  It was a site issue, and affected every garmin upload ( my 305 was having issues too ).  But it's all good now.

2009-07-20 3:26 PM
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Any place selling these yet?

Where you able to pick up HR while swimming? 
2009-07-20 4:21 PM
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Anyone using it with a power tap?
2009-07-23 5:57 PM
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Just got my notice that the new HRM strap was shipped.  I will have it early next week and get some reviews posted here!

2009-07-23 6:38 PM
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ball6135 - 2009-07-23 5:57 PM

Just got my notice that the new HRM strap was shipped.  I will have it early next week and get some reviews posted here!



Where did you order your 310 and new HRM strap from, if I may ask?

Cheers, Chris 


2009-07-24 4:10 AM
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I, like many others, have been anxiously awaiting the release of the 310xt. My main reason for wanting it is because I had water issues with the last HRM I owned. So what has the experience been with the HRM function during the swim?(The Swim cap thing is a great idea!!)
2009-07-24 8:22 AM
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I have a 310. I have used it in a 25m pool and an open water swim.

For the pool, the HRM does not work (for me) when I was wearing just tri shorts, The HRM kept moving with each stroke. Maybe I didnt have it tight enough? Probably, but any tighter, it wouldnt want it on. The speed and distance data were all over the place. It could have been the pool only being 25M. So the 310 is useless in the pool.

For open water. Here is a link to a lake swim I did on Tuesday. The lake is 350M one way, so 700 back and forth. I did 1400M. Look at the speed and elevation data: all wrong. Where the lake is, its TOTALLY FLAT and flat for miles around. Can I really swim 38 mph? Hell no! I also kept losing a signal when I was neck deep in the water and hands on my hips. I am only 5 feet 7. No HRM on this swim, that thing will drive me crazy moving. And... I can swim fairly straight.

LAKE SWIM

I am going to give it a whirl in the ocean this weekend with a straight 1000m course to see if the data is correct, because as of now, the 310 is crap in the water. An over priced stopwatch!

For runs and rides, it awesome!
2009-07-24 9:10 AM
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Uhm, it's not designed to function underwater (as a GPS device ).

If you expect any GPS device to function accurately at / below surface level of any body of water, then you're going to be waiting a loooooong time.

Any HRM should record HR data in the water.  If the strap doesn't stay in place, then you have it too loose. 

2009-07-24 11:32 AM
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I am getting mine today, but my understanding is that the HRM does not work in the water.  The only real point of the waterproof feature is that you can wear it in the water during a race.  I have a 405 now.  I hope I like it.  I am just looking forward to having 4 items showing at a time instead of 3, but those with the 305 already have that.
2009-07-24 1:05 PM
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People - people! Why does everyone think that the 310 will work as a GPS and HRM while swimming. As far as I'm concerned - all I need it for is to make it thru the swim while keeping the race gun time. I need a waterproof watch that will do this! I already tried starting races with my Polar and then switching to my Garmin at the beginning of the run. It is annoying to say the least.

The 310 will afford you the luxury of starting the swim, having it keep time; going on the bike (assuming you also have the cadence sensor) and already having it on during the run.

It is a lot easier to have the 310 and transition from swim to bike to run instead of having to put on a different watch at each transition.

I have not experienced ANY heart rate monitor that gives you accurate HR readings in water let alone GPS! Please don't review the watch based on unrealistic expectancies.


2009-07-24 1:43 PM
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The thing is, Garmin does not say that the 310 will not work accurately GPS and HRM wise while swimming, they say its waterproof up to 50 meters and can be used for timing your swim. That might give a hint that the GPS does not produce accurate data while swimming, but they also say that the 310 is geared for multi-sport athletes and has a T1 and T2 modes. That might also have people believe that swim distances and HR can be tracked as well.

I have no problem with my 310 and love it, but some people might  a tad bit upset when they spend 400 bucks with a HR and it does not perform as they thought it would. A 305 is half the price if people want to use solely for training, on land..

That being said, if you have an extra 200 bucks and want the waterproof piece of mind of a 310, get it.

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2009-07-24 2:00 PM
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DBautista - 2009-07-24 1:43 PM The thing is, Garmin does not say that the 310 will not work accurately GPS and HRM wise while swimming, they say its waterproof up to 50 meters and can be used for timing your swim. That might give a hint that the GPS does not produce accurate data while swimming, but they also say that the 310 is geared for multi-sport athletes and has a T1 and T2 modes. That might also have people believe that swim distances and HR can be tracked as well.

I have no problem with my 310 and love it, but some people might  a tad bit upset when they spend 400 bucks with a HR and it does not perform as they thought it would. A 305 is half the price if people want to use solely for training, on land..

That being said, if you have an extra 200 bucks and want the waterproof piece of mind of a 310, get it.

Not to quibble, but here's what it says in the FAQ linked from the 310xt page at Garmin.com:

QuestionWhat fitness devices may I wear while swimming?
Answer:

There are two fitness devices that are recommended to be used for surface swimming*:

  1. Forerunner 310XT
  2. FR 60

*Note: Surface swimming means that the device can be used while swimming (no scuba diving) in fresh or salt water and no damage will come to the device. No distance or GPS data will be collected while the user is swimming. The watches will only record time data.

2009-07-24 4:26 PM
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Hydro - 2009-07-23 6:38 PM
ball6135 - 2009-07-23 5:57 PM

Just got my notice that the new HRM strap was shipped.  I will have it early next week and get some reviews posted here!



Where did you order your 310 and new HRM strap from, if I may ask?

Cheers, Chris 


HR Strap (new one was direct from Garmin.  The old one was from my 305. 

The 310xt came from a great running store in California, I will get the name and post it here... they were awesome!
2009-07-25 3:00 PM
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DBautista - 2009-07-24 1:43 PM The thing is, Garmin does not say that the 310 will not work accurately GPS and HRM wise while swimming, they say its waterproof up to 50 meters and can be used for timing your swim. That might give a hint that the GPS does not produce accurate data while swimming, but they also say that the 310 is geared for multi-sport athletes and has a T1 and T2 modes. That might also have people believe that swim distances and HR can be tracked as well.

I have no problem with my 310 and love it, but some people might  a tad bit upset when they spend 400 bucks with a HR and it does not perform as they thought it would. A 305 is half the price if people want to use solely for training, on land..

That being said, if you have an extra 200 bucks and want the waterproof piece of mind of a 310, get it.


yeah but it also doesnt say 'will make you world champion' or 'wear this and you'll grow wings', it very clearly, under features on their website, says 'time your swim' and that it is 'a GPS-enabled, swim-proof trainer that tracks bike and run data'



I love mine too, and honestly it's just not a big deal for me to know distance/speed/HR while in the water, it's not like you can really look at it much while you are swimming
2009-07-28 4:25 PM
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Got my new HR strap on Saturday - so, just a quick update.

Used it on Saturday (run), Sunday (bike), Monday (run) and today (bike).

For some reason my 56 mile bike stats got corrupted on Sunday.  Probably not the HR monitors fault, though.  Most likely, still quirks in the 310 firmware, yet to be worked out.

HR monitor seems to work the same as the old HR monitor.  Slightly more comfortable, though.  I like the snaps, over the clip system on the old strap.  And, the HR device seems to be slightly smaller.

I did a quick test in my pool to see how far the HR would be detected under water.  The quick answer, nothing.  The detailed answer:

With both devices under water and touching each other - nothing.  (not touching - nothing)
With the 310 out of the water and the HR monitor, on me, under water - nothing.

So, as expected, the HR monitor is only detected out of the water.

Yes, I know that's what's advertised.  But, its always good to get a live, non-biased report before purchasing.  Because, sometimes, your hopes do come true, even though the device is not used as advertised.

If I have any more findings, I'll post them.


2009-07-30 7:03 AM
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Got my "upgraded" HRM Strap earlier this week as well..

First and foremost... it is much more comfortable due to the new material and the lack of the ~10 plastic band that the old one utilized.  where I used to "notice" the old strap during runs, this one "disappears". 

As far as pick up etc.  no Problems at all.  Just go into the system settings and turn off the HRM, then turn it back on again.  The new strap was recognized and picks up instantly every time. 

I have a long ride on sat., so that will tell me if any other issues come up on the bike.  

Early assessment... it's worth the upgrade.
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