OK BT, whatcha think... Cannondale, Specialized or Felt

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Subject: RE: OK BT, whatcha think... Cannondale, Specialized or Felt

Daremo - 2009-10-07 1:10 PM

PennState - 2009-10-07 12:43 PM free flu-shots with purchase of any Cannondale

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Careful. I think C'dale could be part of the conspiracy!

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JohnnyKay - 2009-10-07 12:47 PM

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i'm not exactly sure how to phrase what i'm asking, so he goes. does this^^^ mean a 140 lb. rider on a 20 lb bike will be virtually the same as a 120 lb rider on a 40 lb. bike?

Assuming they had the same "frontal area", yes. However, that's unlikely. The 140 lb. rider would likely be slower at the same power output because of more drag, not more weight. IOW, it's the aerodynamics that make the big difference, not the weight.

Right, so if the Felt is more aero, it's the best choice even if it's heavier. This is all so SlowTwitch but without the yelling..

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PennState - 2009-10-07 10:17 AM Just thought I'd post some POTENTIAL bike porn

Thanks fred always enjoy the new bike porn.

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Subject: RE: OK BT, whatcha think... Cannondale, Specialized or Felt

PennState - 2009-10-07 2:48 PM

not quite. There is also the concept of rotating weight as well.

Rotational mass is only a consideration during accelerations - while at speed, it is not a factor.

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Subject: RE: OK BT, whatcha think... Cannondale, Specialized or Felt

My Scott was way lighter than my Orbea. My Orbea is way faster.

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PennState - 2009-10-07 2:55 PM

It's hard though when you hold the bikes up... the lighter one feels so much lighter

It is; a friend of mine just got a new Scott road bike with full Red groupset; it is the lightest bike I have ever picked up and my 18lbs road bike felt like a tank in comparison.

Serious bike envy

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I know you should go to the wind tunnel with all three bikes and do testing drag with equal power output on each and determine which one you would be fastest on.

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PennState - 2009-10-07 2:55 PM

It's hard though when you hold the bikes up... the lighter one feels so much lighter

It is; a friend of mine just got a new Scott road bike with full Red groupset; it is the lightest bike I have ever picked up and my 18lbs road bike felt like a tank in comparison.

Serious bike envy

Shane

Bet my Scott is lighter than his Scott!

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Daremo - 2009-10-07 1:01 PM
Bet my Scott is lighter than his Scott!

I have had farts that weigh more than Ricks Scott...

Yep, Fred, aero all day, everyday, for IM racing.

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Daremo - 2009-10-07 3:01 PM

Bet my Scott is lighter than his Scott!

Of that I have no doubt

His wasn't a project bike and was still crazy light; I'd probably throw your project bike into the ceiling were I to pick it up

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Ha... Jen can always use nice diagrams I'm very curious to see what you come up with though.

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Subject: RE: OK BT, whatcha think... Cannondale, Specialized or Felt

Daremo - 2009-10-07 2:01 PM

gsmacleod - 2009-10-07 1:58 PM

PennState - 2009-10-07 2:55 PM

It's hard though when you hold the bikes up... the lighter one feels so much lighter

It is; a friend of mine just got a new Scott road bike with full Red groupset; it is the lightest bike I have ever picked up and my 18lbs road bike felt like a tank in comparison.

Serious bike envy

Shane

Bet my Scott is lighter than his Scott!

Pfft.. you would!

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must...refrain... from buying SRAM Red group for CR1...

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JohnnyKay - 2009-10-07 1:47 PM

gopennstate - 2009-10-07
i'm not exactly sure how to phrase what i'm asking, so he goes. does this^^^ mean a 140 lb. rider on a 20 lb bike will be virtually the same as a 120 lb rider on a 40 lb. bike?

Assuming they had the same "frontal area", yes. However, that's unlikely. The 140 lb. rider would likely be slower at the same power output because of more drag, not more weight. IOW, it's the aerodynamics that make the big difference, not the weight.

WHAT?!!! i didn't know this. i knew cycling was about power to weight, etc. but i didn't realize you could pay an extra k or two for virtually the same effect as dropping a few pounds. so it seems like losing weight should be a much higher priority for a lot of people (myself included) than it is. like no more debates about red v. force v. whatever. shut up and don't eat a cookies...or drink calories in the form of appletinis..... & until then save your $$.

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Subject: RE: OK BT, whatcha think... Cannondale, Specialized or Felt

gopennstate - 2009-10-07 1:44 PM

JohnnyKay - 2009-10-07 1:47 PM

gopennstate - 2009-10-07
i'm not exactly sure how to phrase what i'm asking, so he goes. does this^^^ mean a 140 lb. rider on a 20 lb bike will be virtually the same as a 120 lb rider on a 40 lb. bike?

Assuming they had the same "frontal area", yes. However, that's unlikely. The 140 lb. rider would likely be slower at the same power output because of more drag, not more weight. IOW, it's the aerodynamics that make the big difference, not the weight.

WHAT?!!! i didn't know this. i knew cycling was about power to weight, etc. but i didn't realize you could pay an extra k or two for virtually the same effect as dropping a few pounds. so it seems like losing weight should be a much higher priority for a lot of people (myself included) than it is. like no more debates about red v. force v. whatever. shut up and don't eat a cookies...or drink calories in the form of appletinis..... & until then save your $$.

You have a great aero bike already with great light components; as it stands right now your position could be better to reduce you drag and be a bit faster however last year was your 1st year training for IM and your needs where 1) to get ready for the race given your time and fitness and 2) be comofortable on the bike for 6+ hrs. Next year as you continue to improve your cycling fitness it might be a good idea to revise your fit sometime in Nov/Dec and make you a bit more aero since the time you'll spend on the bike should be shorter. That said, yes usually you want to worry about aerodynamics and body weight so lay off the cookies and apple martinis

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GPS, you're riding a frickin' DA. You don't get much better aero equipment than that. So eat all the cookies you want.

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Leegoocrap - 2009-10-07 2:15 PM must...refrain... from buying SRAM Red group for CR1...

You'll need lighter than Red to catch mine in the weight race. The stuff that is Red on my bike is the heavier stuff.

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Subject: RE: OK BT, whatcha think... Cannondale, Specialized or Felt

JorgeM - 2009-10-07 2:51 PM

gopennstate - 2009-10-07 1:44 PM

JohnnyKay - 2009-10-07 1:47 PM

gopennstate - 2009-10-07
i'm not exactly sure how to phrase what i'm asking, so he goes. does this^^^ mean a 140 lb. rider on a 20 lb bike will be virtually the same as a 120 lb rider on a 40 lb. bike?

Assuming they had the same "frontal area", yes. However, that's unlikely. The 140 lb. rider would likely be slower at the same power output because of more drag, not more weight. IOW, it's the aerodynamics that make the big difference, not the weight.

WHAT?!!! i didn't know this. i knew cycling was about power to weight, etc. but i didn't realize you could pay an extra k or two for virtually the same effect as dropping a few pounds. so it seems like losing weight should be a much higher priority for a lot of people (myself included) than it is. like no more debates about red v. force v. whatever. shut up and don't eat a cookies...or drink calories in the form of appletinis..... & until then save your $$.

You have a great aero bike already with great light components; as it stands right now your position could be better to reduce you drag and be a bit faster however last year was your 1st year training for IM and your needs where 1) to get ready for the race given your time and fitness and 2) be comofortable on the bike for 6+ hrs. Next year as you continue to improve your cycling fitness it might be a good idea to revise your fit sometime in Nov/Dec and make you a bit more aero since the time you'll spend on the bike should be shorter. That said, yes usually you want to worry about aerodynamics and body weight so lay off the cookies and apple martinis

oh shush up there, Boston. i know i do, i'm simply trying to learn in the process of Fred buying a new bike.

but yes, i know we need to scooch the aerobars in, and according to kurt drop my saddle and have shorter cranks or something. Though i'm pretty sure i just need to ride the bike more regardless....ask Fred, Mr. "I've never biked 14mph"...he's been out there with me.

So if aero trumps for Fred, how do you figure out which bike is the most aero? Or are those 3 close enough that it's really about which one feels most comfortable?

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