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 2009-11-30 1:34 PM in reply to: #2536071 |
Extreme Veteran  1996     Halifax, Nova Scotia |  Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in HospitalDerekL - 2009-11-30 3:13 PM So you want somebody arrested because something seems suspicious to you. Luckily our laws don't work that way. Derek, if a guy who was driving a car involved in a single crash is semi- conscious, with injuries that do not appear to be crash related or serious enough to affect his cognition does not warrant suspicion I'd be a little surprised. ETA- Tiger had significant knee surgery a year ago that took some period of convalescence and obviously left him with some pain- I submit he's now got a problem with opiates. You heard it here first. And if you wonder how I know, well, I live very close to the woods.  Edited by blairrob 2009-11-30 1:39 PM |
| 2009-11-30 1:34 PM in reply to: #2536071 |
Extreme Veteran 446 Barrington, IL | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 1:13 PM Meerkat Surprise - 2009-11-30 1:09 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 1:30 PM pitt83 - 2009-11-30 12:01 PM You consented to a blood draw. Big difference.DerekL - 2009-11-30 10:35 AM I crashed my bike during a triathlon and, even with wearing jammers, cleats and a helmet and big numbers written on my leg and shoulder, they ran an alcohol screen. They had taken blood numerous times for other vitals, but indeed tested me for intox. I never directly consented to this, but probably did when my wife signed the other permission to be traeted forms.Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 9:15 AM DerekL - 2009-11-30 9:10 AM Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 8:29 AM Amazing that the police said they had no probable cause to give him a breathalyzer or blood or urine test. HUH - if I ran into a fire hydrant & a tree at 2:25AM I think that is the first thing they would do. I think that sums up probable cause. Celebrities really get a pass on stuff like this. He was transported to the hospital before the police got there. Police take blood & urine tests at the hospital ALL the time. So tell me again what probable cause they would have to forcibly draw blood from a nonconsenting patient? A minor traffic accident? Good luck trying to do that to one of my patients. That's called assault. Sarcasm? Absolutely not. If Billy-Bob redneck crashes his truck through my yard at 2:30AM on a holiday weekend and is semi-conscious (at this point we don't know if it is as a result of the crash or he was that way beforehand), the police had damn well better be arresting him for suspiscion of DUI and administering the tests. Especially if he starts giving an illogical story of how/why the accident happened. I think there's 0% chance that the police say "OK, go to the hospital, and we'll talk to you when/if it's convenient for you and totally on your timetable." So you want somebody arrested because something seems suspicious to you. Luckily our laws don't work that way. I guess I am confused here - things like this happen all the time and the VAST majority of the time the driver would be arrested for SUSPICION of DUI. Do you think that doesn't happen? |
| 2009-11-30 1:45 PM in reply to: #2536112 |
Champion 8936  | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 1:34 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 1:13 PM Meerkat Surprise - 2009-11-30 1:09 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 1:30 PM pitt83 - 2009-11-30 12:01 PM You consented to a blood draw. Big difference.DerekL - 2009-11-30 10:35 AM I crashed my bike during a triathlon and, even with wearing jammers, cleats and a helmet and big numbers written on my leg and shoulder, they ran an alcohol screen. They had taken blood numerous times for other vitals, but indeed tested me for intox. I never directly consented to this, but probably did when my wife signed the other permission to be traeted forms.Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 9:15 AM DerekL - 2009-11-30 9:10 AM Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 8:29 AM Amazing that the police said they had no probable cause to give him a breathalyzer or blood or urine test. HUH - if I ran into a fire hydrant & a tree at 2:25AM I think that is the first thing they would do. I think that sums up probable cause. Celebrities really get a pass on stuff like this. He was transported to the hospital before the police got there. Police take blood & urine tests at the hospital ALL the time. So tell me again what probable cause they would have to forcibly draw blood from a nonconsenting patient? A minor traffic accident? Good luck trying to do that to one of my patients. That's called assault. Sarcasm? Absolutely not. If Billy-Bob redneck crashes his truck through my yard at 2:30AM on a holiday weekend and is semi-conscious (at this point we don't know if it is as a result of the crash or he was that way beforehand), the police had damn well better be arresting him for suspiscion of DUI and administering the tests. Especially if he starts giving an illogical story of how/why the accident happened. I think there's 0% chance that the police say "OK, go to the hospital, and we'll talk to you when/if it's convenient for you and totally on your timetable." So you want somebody arrested because something seems suspicious to you. Luckily our laws don't work that way. I guess I am confused here - things like this happen all the time and the VAST majority of the time the driver would be arrested for SUSPICION of DUI. Do you think that doesn't happen? People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? |
| 2009-11-30 1:56 PM in reply to: #2536137 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:45 PM People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? If they cops arrive at a 'minor accident scene' and are told the driver was unconsious when extracted from the vehicle, uh, yeah. Are you not seeing this clearly or I am I confused? |
| 2009-11-30 2:02 PM in reply to: #2536157 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital blairrob - 2009-11-30 1:56 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:45 PM People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? If they cops arrive at a 'minor accident scene' and are told the driver was unconsious when extracted from the vehicle, uh, yeah. Are you not seeing this clearly or I am I confused? So are you saying that you can't sustain injuries enough to cause consciousness issues just because it was described as "minor"? Try driving your head into a windshield at 20mph and see how you feel. Maybe I'm the confused one because I don't see at all any grounds for arresting ANYBODY under those circumstances. You're gonna have to give me a whole lot more probably cause than that. |
| 2009-11-30 2:04 PM in reply to: #2536137 |
Extreme Veteran 592 Long Island | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/29/tiger-woods-911-call-audi_n_372977.html This doesn't exactly sound like a guy who backed into his mailbox |
| 2009-11-30 2:09 PM in reply to: #2536169 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 4:02 PM blairrob - 2009-11-30 1:56 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:45 PM People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? If they cops arrive at a 'minor accident scene' and are told the driver was unconsious when extracted from the vehicle, uh, yeah. Are you not seeing this clearly or I am I confused? Try driving your head into a windshield at 20mph and see how you feel. Well I'm not going to try that right now cause, uh, well I'm not that stupid. Usually. However, I would consider the accident suspicious given the hour it occurred, the condition of the driver versus the damage to the cockpit, and the fact it was a low speed single vehicle crash. It would seem we simply have different perspectives on the threshold required for further investigation. Let me zee ure papers pleeze... Edited by blairrob 2009-11-30 2:16 PM |
| 2009-11-30 2:16 PM in reply to: #2535557 |
| New user 420 Charlotte, NC USA | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 10:10 AM Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 8:29 AM Amazing that the police said they had no probable cause to give him a breathalyzer or blood or urine test. HUH - if I ran into a fire hydrant & a tree at 2:25AM I think that is the first thing they would do. I think that sums up probable cause. Celebrities really get a pass on stuff like this. He was transported to the hospital before the police got there. That's not true. [Windermere police chief Daniel] Saylor said his two officers found the 33-year-old Woods lying in the street with his wife hovering over him. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091128/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_woods_accident |
| 2009-11-30 2:19 PM in reply to: #2536169 |
Extreme Veteran 446 Barrington, IL | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 2:02 PM blairrob - 2009-11-30 1:56 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:45 PM People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? If they cops arrive at a 'minor accident scene' and are told the driver was unconsious when extracted from the vehicle, uh, yeah. Are you not seeing this clearly or I am I confused? So are you saying that you can't sustain injuries enough to cause consciousness issues just because it was described as "minor"? Try driving your head into a windshield at 20mph and see how you feel. Maybe I'm the confused one because I don't see at all any grounds for arresting ANYBODY under those circumstances. You're gonna have to give me a whole lot more probably cause than that. How about damage/destruction to personal & private property. He crashed into a fire hydrant, that would obviously need to be replaced, and he then crashed into a neighbor's tree that would have had some type of damage |
| 2009-11-30 2:22 PM in reply to: #2536205 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital ScoopJackson - 2009-11-30 2:16 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 10:10 AM Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 8:29 AM Amazing that the police said they had no probable cause to give him a breathalyzer or blood or urine test. HUH - if I ran into a fire hydrant & a tree at 2:25AM I think that is the first thing they would do. I think that sums up probable cause. Celebrities really get a pass on stuff like this. He was transported to the hospital before the police got there. That's not true. [Windermere police chief Daniel] Saylor said his two officers found the 33-year-old Woods lying in the street with his wife hovering over him. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091128/ap_on_sp_go_ne/glf_woods_accident Then they've changed that story in the last day. I stand corrected. |
| 2009-11-30 2:23 PM in reply to: #2536212 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 2:19 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 2:02 PM blairrob - 2009-11-30 1:56 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:45 PM People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? If they cops arrive at a 'minor accident scene' and are told the driver was unconsious when extracted from the vehicle, uh, yeah. Are you not seeing this clearly or I am I confused? So are you saying that you can't sustain injuries enough to cause consciousness issues just because it was described as "minor"? Try driving your head into a windshield at 20mph and see how you feel. Maybe I'm the confused one because I don't see at all any grounds for arresting ANYBODY under those circumstances. You're gonna have to give me a whole lot more probably cause than that. How about damage/destruction to personal & private property. He crashed into a fire hydrant, that would obviously need to be replaced, and he then crashed into a neighbor's tree that would have had some type of damage What relevance does that have to what we're talking about? You don't get arrested for accidental damage to property. |
| 2009-11-30 2:32 PM in reply to: #2536221 |
Extreme Veteran 446 Barrington, IL | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 2:23 PM Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 2:19 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 2:02 PM blairrob - 2009-11-30 1:56 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:45 PM People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? If they cops arrive at a 'minor accident scene' and are told the driver was unconsious when extracted from the vehicle, uh, yeah. Are you not seeing this clearly or I am I confused? So are you saying that you can't sustain injuries enough to cause consciousness issues just because it was described as "minor"? Try driving your head into a windshield at 20mph and see how you feel. Maybe I'm the confused one because I don't see at all any grounds for arresting ANYBODY under those circumstances. You're gonna have to give me a whole lot more probably cause than that. How about damage/destruction to personal & private property. He crashed into a fire hydrant, that would obviously need to be replaced, and he then crashed into a neighbor's tree that would have had some type of damage What relevance does that have to what we're talking about? You don't get arrested for accidental damage to property. You get arrested if you are drunk & plow into a fire hydrant. |
| 2009-11-30 2:35 PM in reply to: #2533248 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital but at 2:30 a.m. it is a bit suspicious that you run over something (driving pretty slow at that) in an area you should be familiar with. |
| 2009-11-30 2:35 PM in reply to: #2536256 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 2:32 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 2:23 PM Magnum27 - 2009-11-30 2:19 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 2:02 PM blairrob - 2009-11-30 1:56 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:45 PM People hit things pulling out of their driveway and get arrested for suspicion of DUI "all the time"? Really? If they cops arrive at a 'minor accident scene' and are told the driver was unconsious when extracted from the vehicle, uh, yeah. Are you not seeing this clearly or I am I confused? So are you saying that you can't sustain injuries enough to cause consciousness issues just because it was described as "minor"? Try driving your head into a windshield at 20mph and see how you feel. Maybe I'm the confused one because I don't see at all any grounds for arresting ANYBODY under those circumstances. You're gonna have to give me a whole lot more probably cause than that. How about damage/destruction to personal & private property. He crashed into a fire hydrant, that would obviously need to be replaced, and he then crashed into a neighbor's tree that would have had some type of damage What relevance does that have to what we're talking about? You don't get arrested for accidental damage to property. You get arrested if you are drunk & plow into a fire hydrant. Sure. Now show me where there's any evidence he was drunk. You get arrested for driving drunk even when you don't hit things, so the fact that there was property damage is irrelevant. |
| 2009-11-30 2:38 PM in reply to: #2536262 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital Leegoocrap - 2009-11-30 2:35 PM but at 2:30 a.m. it is a bit suspicious that you run over something (driving pretty slow at that) in an area you should be familiar with. I agree. But what is it suspicious for? Intoxication? Exhaustion (been there)? Domestic issues? Health issues? I just don't agree with people calling for his arrest based on their personal suspicions. Let law enforcement do its job. |
| 2009-11-30 2:45 PM in reply to: #2536270 |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 2:38 PM Leegoocrap - 2009-11-30 2:35 PM but at 2:30 a.m. it is a bit suspicious that you run over something (driving pretty slow at that) in an area you should be familiar with. I agree. But what is it suspicious for? Intoxication? Exhaustion (been there)? Domestic issues? Health issues? I just don't agree with people calling for his arrest based on their personal suspicions. Let law enforcement do its job. Yeah well public opinion trumps all. I thought the police determined there was no alcohol involved at the scene. Really, though, most of what's being reported is from sources such as TMZ and the NAtional Enquirer. Garbage. |
| 2009-11-30 2:48 PM in reply to: #2536270 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:38 PM Leegoocrap - 2009-11-30 2:35 PM but at 2:30 a.m. it is a bit suspicious that you run over something (driving pretty slow at that) in an area you should be familiar with. I agree. But what is it suspicious for? Intoxication? Exhaustion (been there)? Domestic issues? Health issues? I just don't agree with people calling for his arrest based on their personal suspicions. Let law enforcement do its job. oh I wouldn't call for his arrest or anything, but I would be a bit suspicious (at least check for alcohol) in that scenario. |
| 2009-11-30 3:56 PM in reply to: #2536298 |
Extreme Veteran 591 New Port Richey, FL | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital Leegoocrap - 2009-11-30 3:48 PM DerekL - 2009-11-30 3:38 PM Leegoocrap - 2009-11-30 2:35 PM but at 2:30 a.m. it is a bit suspicious that you run over something (driving pretty slow at that) in an area you should be familiar with. I agree. But what is it suspicious for? Intoxication? Exhaustion (been there)? Domestic issues? Health issues? I just don't agree with people calling for his arrest based on their personal suspicions. Let law enforcement do its job. oh I wouldn't call for his arrest or anything, but I would be a bit suspicious (at least check for alcohol) in that scenario. But the point is that he has to be arrested under Florida law to test for alcohol or other (more likely) substances. To me, this looks EASILY like someone who is intoxicated, or exhausted, or health issues. Don't you think that the rest of the public who he could have injured deserves to know? Here's an example. On a Friday night about 2:00AM I was turning into my neighborhood late one night and took a turn very wide to avoid a pothole. I never left the roadway, and not even close to running into something. There was a FHP trooper behind me. I was pulled over and put through a field sobriety test before he even asked my name or if I'd had anything to drink. I passed the test the first time, so he made me do it again. When I still performed perfectly, he started to ask questions. Because I answered honestly that I'd had 3 beers between 7:00 and 10:00 that evening, he refused to let me drive the last mile home. My choice was to have someone come pick me up within 30 minutes, or to be arrested and submit a breath test or blood test. I'd like to see the rich and famous held to a similar standard, especially when an actual crash has occurred. |
| 2009-11-30 4:27 PM in reply to: #2533248 |
Sneaky Slow 8694 Herndon, VA, | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital If I had an angry wife chasing after me with a golf club, it's pretty d@mn likely I'd run over a fire hydrant in my haste to get the h3ll out of Dodge, whether or not I was drunk. Edited by newleaf 2009-11-30 4:27 PM |
| 2009-11-30 4:39 PM in reply to: #2536491 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital All as I know is Don't Talk to the Police |
| 2009-11-30 6:01 PM in reply to: #2536491 |
Extreme Veteran 1996 Halifax, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital newleaf - 2009-11-30 6:27 PM If I had an angry wife husband chasing after me with a golf club, it's pretty d@mn likely I'd run over a fire hydrant in my haste to get the h3ll out of Dodge, whether or not I was drunk. corrected to reflect the more likely scenario. note to self (and leaf- remember to stay the hell out of Dodge) |
| 2009-11-30 9:11 PM in reply to: #2533248 |
Veteran 407 | Subject: RE: Tiger Woods in Hospital I am sure if any of us were looking in the rear view mirror and saw our spouse chasing us with a club of some sort we might run into something. And I also think we need to remember it was the biggest shopping day of the year, he probably was on his way to get in line at Best Buy for a new TV. I don't mean to be disrespectful, I truly feel it is none of our business, and I hope that he and his wife can work out whatever problems there might be. |
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