How do you OWS safely/legally?
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2009-12-23 6:57 PM |
Expert 1118 , North Carolina | Subject: How do you OWS safely/legally? Seems most lakes where swimming is permitted have a small roped off area that is full of children. |
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2009-12-23 7:08 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Expert 774 | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? It can be real risky - cramping or getting hit by a boat are legitimate risks. I only do OWS at a lifeguarded beach, but I am looking for a kayak for the wife to escort me in the bay. |
2009-12-23 7:13 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? At Canandaigua Lake here in upstate NY the local Masters swimmers and triathletes have worked out an arrangement with the powers that be which allows for open water swimming on a regular course just between the roped off area and the line where boats are allowed. You can see it here, the roped off area is at the section labeled Kershaw Park. Zoom in and you can see the beach. It is important to note that water doesn't get much deeper than four feet along this course. |
2009-12-23 7:22 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Extreme Veteran 416 Raleigh, NC | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? I am not going to speak to the legality of swimming in "No Swimming" areas but I will say I swim with a group and a few of us attach a pool noodle to our race belts with a shoe string, this gives us something to hold on to should we get a cramp but it also helps make us visible to boaters. |
2009-12-23 7:32 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Expert 1118 , North Carolina | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? Great idea with the pool noodle! The lake I am eyeing up isn't real big. Just a few small fishing boats in the morning; maybe none in the afternoon. I don't think boats would be an issue, but I didn't think about cramps... good point. The worst thing that came to my mind was water moccasin bite! Edited by maria40nc 2009-12-23 7:34 PM |
2009-12-23 8:05 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Member 57 Warwick, MA | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? We have a small lake here in town and my wife stays near with the kayak. It's a "swim at your own risk" lake. We keep a spare vest on board in case I need it. I just started training there at the end of last summer. I decided to enter the Timberman HIM next August and so far the routine is working out. 2 trips around the lake and I have my 1.2. The loop around the lake keeps me close enough to shore where I'm not more than 50 to 60 feet from land. My worries are the snapping turtles and swimming to close to the beaver dams. I have yet to run into either. Not too many snakes in this area of Mass. I thank my wife for putting up with my obsession. Best of luck to you |
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2009-12-23 8:59 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Pro 4828 The Land of Ice and Snow | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? When I OWS at my local lake the lifeguards are fine with you swimming outside of the designated areas as long as you START your swim outside of the line...I just go off to the side. Its a lake that is extremely popular with triathletes and kayakers and canoeists. I swim parallel to shore and wear a bright neon cap. Totally safe? Of course not. But I work unorthodox hours so I am able to swim when others are not and vice versa. |
2009-12-23 9:08 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Champion 6627 Rochester Hills, Michigan | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? We've got two smallish lakes, non-motorcraft lakes, at a metropark that afford flat open water swims. One is probably 1000m around, the other 2000m around. Both crystal clear, both give the opportunity - should you choose to take it - to stay shallow. I think they are legal, but I've never really asked about it. That solves one issue....where to swim. The next issue is how to be safe...and there's no good answer for that. Typically, we'll swim in those lakes in a group....but similar to a tri, there are two kinds of issues - catastrophic issues, where you're going down...no safeguard for that - including kayak, swimmers with you, floaty devices, etc. It's just gonna happen. Then, there are non-catastrophic issues, where people or swim aids can give you some respite. I personally have never had a cramp that I couldn't get through or fatigue to the point I couldn't go more, so I tend to ignore non-catastrophic issues knowing I will somehow get through them. |
2009-12-23 9:16 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Science Nerd 28760 Redwood City, California | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? I do OWS in the James River with my local tri club. They try to have them every other week during the summer and have people kayaking with the swimmers. It's hard to do on my own. |
2009-12-23 10:23 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
1072 | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? I guess I am really lucky, a good friend of mine built a lake for water sking on his properity. It is 3/4 mile long and only a 300 yards wide. It is spring fed so it stays fresh throughout the year It has several bouys set for water skiing events. He lets me and members of my local TRI club swim there any morniing we want. When I swim alone I swim along the shore in water I can stand up in. When the group shows up we swim the length of the lake down the middle using the bouys set about 50 uyads apart most of the length of the lake as a guide. A spouse of one of our TRI club usually paddles along in a k We swim early in the morning before anybody else uses the lake for water skiing so there is no issues with boats. It is of coarse "swim at your on risk" |
2009-12-23 10:33 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Champion 7547 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? If it's posted "No Swimming" then it's probably wise to follow the sign and not swim. As for safely, NEVER SWIM ALONE. Best case is for someone in a kayak or canoe to tend to you. Second best is some fellow swimmers. Third is to have someone on shore who has a way to get out to you (think lifeguard, but as long as they're competent to watch and calmly deal with a situation, anybody would work). Even if the roped off area is 100 yards long, that's about 4 times longer than a normal pool. The lifeguards might allow you to swim just outside the markers to avoid the crowds (or you can consider it good tri-training). We don't have water moccasins. I've heard they can be very aggressive, so how would you deal with one if you're in the water by yourself? Boats, snapping turtles, fishing line, and branches I can deal with. Cramps can happen at any time and can be pretty severe. In a pool, you can usually grab a lane line or get to the edge in 5-10 yards. In the middle of a lake, you have to deal with it there, and it can be very difficult to float well enough to work out a cramp when you start to panic (a wetsuit helps). |
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2009-12-23 10:43 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Champion 7595 Columbia, South Carolina | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? A local lake around here has a roped off area that is full of kids (in the summer). I occasionally swim just outside it (but well inside the buoys that mark the boundary for boats). I don't feel that doing so is particularly unsafe but of course you should assess your own situation carefully and honestly. |
2009-12-23 11:48 PM in reply to: #2576091 |
Master 1517 Raleigh | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? +1 for swimming just outside of the designated swimming boundary. No boat is going to hug the buoy lane where they run the risk of hitting someone... |
2009-12-24 12:20 AM in reply to: #2576253 |
Regular 121 Franklin, VA | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? Artemis - 2009-12-23 10:16 PM I do OWS in the James River with my local tri club. They try to have them every other week during the summer and have people kayaking with the swimmers. It's hard to do on my own. Hey, that's really cool. I live a couple hours out of Richmond. Does your club allow "guests" to drop in and train from time to time? P.S. To the OP. Sorry for the hijack. Carry on. |
2009-12-24 4:43 AM in reply to: #2576091 |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? We swim in a small harbor that is used to cultivate muscles. There is very light boat traffic - virtually zero in the evenings when we usually go - and the boats are all slow moving fishing boats. It's salt water and there are jellyfish and seaweed sometimes but we have a nice triangle course that is about 800m. |
2009-12-24 5:18 AM in reply to: #2576091 |
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2009-12-24 9:09 AM in reply to: #2576091 |
Extreme Veteran 887 Lake Placid, NY | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? At the beginning of the season, I swim along the shoreline of the lake, where I am at most 5 feet away from being able to stand. There's a bouy 400 meters out for the local weekly sprint tris, so it's even measured. Later in the summer they put up the lanes for IMLP, so you can swim in the middle of the lake with a bouy to grab onto at all times. Most people still partner up though, of course. |
2009-12-24 9:23 AM in reply to: #2576433 |
Veteran 495 Calgary | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? axteraa - 2009-12-24 4:43 AM We swim in a small harbor that is used to cultivate muscles. There is very light boat traffic - virtually zero in the evenings when we usually go - and the boats are all slow moving fishing boats. It's salt water and there are jellyfish and seaweed sometimes but we have a nice triangle course that is about 800m. I think you mean that the harbor is used to cultivate mussels? Although, since you train there it is used to cultivate muscles as well as mussels. Maybe this an old joke with the group that you swim with. I've vacation in PEI and the mussels were delicious. Don |
2009-12-24 9:37 AM in reply to: #2576339 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? McFuzz - 2009-12-23 11:33 PM If it's posted "No Swimming" then it's probably wise to follow the sign and not swim. As for safely, NEVER SWIM ALONE. Best case is for someone in a kayak or canoe to tend to you. Second best is some fellow swimmers. Third is to have someone on shore who has a way to get out to you (think lifeguard, but as long as they're competent to watch and calmly deal with a situation, anybody would work). Even if the roped off area is 100 yards long, that's about 4 times longer than a normal pool. The lifeguards might allow you to swim just outside the markers to avoid the crowds (or you can consider it good tri-training). We don't have water moccasins. I've heard they can be very aggressive, so how would you deal with one if you're in the water by yourself? Boats, snapping turtles, fishing line, and branches I can deal with. Cramps can happen at any time and can be pretty severe. In a pool, you can usually grab a lane line or get to the edge in 5-10 yards. In the middle of a lake, you have to deal with it there, and it can be very difficult to float well enough to work out a cramp when you start to panic (a wetsuit helps). x2. I've safety boated in my kayak a few times at a local man-made lake that has a no-wake zone, but still can have a lot of boaters. I like doing it because I can be out in my boat, even if I am not doing the swim myself. We've also sometimes combined the training with a run or bike (or both) after swimming. If the water is deeper than waist deep, having a kayak or canoe nearby is best - bad things can happen quickly. If there are boaters around, a noodle MAY make you more visible, but a kayaker can have a noise signal (air horn or whistle) if the boaters appear especially clueless about the swimmers. Anyone ever use a divers safety sausage for visibility? |
2009-12-24 9:53 AM in reply to: #2576091 |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? I swim in the small lake where we have a cabin. I do an out-and-back swim and stick close to shore where I can always stand if needed. |
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2009-12-24 9:53 AM in reply to: #2576726 |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? Swimming just outside of a buoy line is a good place to go usually. But you will want to check with your local ordinances to see if that's against the law and what will happen if the lifeguard's in a bad mood that day. Around here you can get a fine of several hundred bucks I think. Practically everyone I know does it, but if you do it you need to be ready to pay the fine. I like to swim when a lifeguard is present. I then swim on the inside of the buoy line. I don't think it's fair for the lifeguard to feel obligated to help me, but putting myself in a difficult to reach position. I've also swam in a lake that doesn't allow power boats and doesn't have a swimming area, and meet a group of friends. We just swim wherever. But I wouldn't do that alone. The few times I've swam in the ocean, I've done it along shore (you can do it in shallow water) and asked someone to watch for me. Although I can never get used to the salt water - yuck! |
2009-12-24 10:04 AM in reply to: #2576091 |
Regular 454 | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? Since I need to learn to do a proper freestyle stroke I plan to offer up my support boat services in exchange for some lessons this summer. Fully stocked support boat... Gatoraid, water, beer, Music, transportation to and from secluded coves GPS to track mileage. Know anyone that owns a boat & tri's? Edited by SAWFISH50 2009-12-24 10:05 AM |
2009-12-24 10:13 AM in reply to: #2576770 |
Pro 6767 the Alabama part of Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? SAWFISH50 - 2009-12-24 11:04 AM Since I need to learn to do a proper freestyle stroke I plan to offer up my support boat services in exchange for some lessons this summer. Fully stocked support boat... Gatoraid, water, beer, Music, transportation to and from secluded coves GPS to track mileage. Know anyone that owns a boat & tri's? Nice boat. But totally unsuited for support - even with my kayak, I have to slow down to keep from getting too far ahead of the swimmer. Plus the point of a safety boat is to keep the swimmer FURTHER from propellers and death. |
2009-12-24 10:30 AM in reply to: #2576091 |
Regular 454 | Subject: RE: How do you OWS safely/legally? It has an electric troling motor on it with varible speed you dont have to run the Big motor to follow your people. It wouldn't be good if you had a 100 people around the boat but 3 or 4 swimmers out front of you or beside the boat will work out just fine Trust me. |
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