Tebow pro-life Superbowl ad (Page 4)

KeriKadi -  I have to say...

KeriKadi - 2010-01-29 8:47 AM I have to say I don't get the 'only in case of rape or incest'
If you believe it is a baby/life that does not change based on how the baby was created.

wabash - 2010-01-29 9:35 AM

if Greg Lemond doesnt want to get shot, he shouldnt play with a loaded gun and should take all necessary precautions. 
if a woman doesnt want to get pregnant, she shouldnt play with a loaded gun either and should take all necessary precautions.
abortion as birth control IS as elective as plastic surgery.  there's no NEED for an abortion or plastic surgery.  they're WANTs. 
are you also saying that a child born out of a rape is incapable of, and has no chance of ever being loved by anyone?  could never grow up to be a loving husband/father/wife/mother?  is not precious in Gods sight?  that there's no way the woman who was raped could ever possibly love that child? even as traumatic as the situation is, that nothing good could possibly come out of it?  is it anyones decision to make to deem someone elses life is worthtless even before they've been born? 

Marvarnett - 2010-01-29 12:39 PM I always find it funny that the same people that feel abortion is never an option are also not willing to adopt the children that result.  So if you truly feel that strongly about it, go start adopting.  I wouldn't even mind my tax dollars going towards that.

wabash - 2010-01-29 7:35 AM

if Greg Lemond doesnt want to get shot, he shouldnt play with a loaded gun and should take all necessary precautions. 
if a woman doesnt want to get pregnant, she shouldnt play with a loaded gun either and should take all necessary precautions.
abortion as birth control IS as elective as plastic surgery.  there's no NEED for an abortion or plastic surgery.  they're WANTs. 
are you also saying that a child born out of a rape is incapable of, and has no chance of ever being loved by anyone?  could never grow up to be a loving husband/father/wife/mother?  is not precious in Gods sight?  that there's no way the woman who was raped could ever possibly love that child? even as traumatic as the situation is, that nothing good could possibly come out of it?  is it anyones decision to make to deem someone elses life is worthtless even before they've been born? 

Marvarnett - 2010-01-29 1:39 PM

Is that person YOU?  Are YOU willing to take care of that child when it leaves the womb?  If the answer is no, then it's a mute point IMHO.

I always find it funny that the same people that feel abortion is never an option are also not willing to adopt the children that result.  So if you truly feel that strongly about it, go start adopting.  I wouldn't even mind my tax dollars going towards that.

drewb8 - 2010-01-29 1:59 PM

What if someone is takes  all the necessary precautions and still gets pregnant?  Who decides what the proper precautions are?  Who verifies that they were taken?

drewb8 - 2010-01-29 1:59 PM

What if someone is takes  all the necessary precautions and still gets pregnant?  Who decides what the proper precautions are?  Who verifies that they were taken?

drewb8

What if someone is takes  all the necessary precautions and still gets pregnant

TriRSquared - 2010-01-29 3:24 PM

You have to have sex to get pregnant.  Don't have sex = No pregnancy.  Pretty easy binary precaution to take.  Unless you are willing to handle the responsibility of a child (regardless of how remote) then do not have sex.

(I'm of course ignoring rape here but it's such a small percentage of the abortion preformed that it really should be in a separate discussion)

gearboy - 2010-01-29 3:37 PM

Don't the christians have some famous chick who got knocked up without having sex?  I seem to remember that is part of their whole shtick about preserving all lives, etc...

hrliles - 2010-01-28 7:36 PM One set of rules you can always count on to follow and you will be fine, it's in a book, maybe some of you have heard of it, The Bible, amazing stuff.  I beleive the topic of discussion is covered in this text.  Ten Comandments.  I think the damnest thing would be to get to Heaven and God introduce you to your aborted child, probably an awkard moment.  IMHO

I wasn't a big Tebow fan, but I am now.  And I love controversial discussions.

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wabash -

matter of fact, i think she set a pretty darn good example for the rest of us by giving birth to her baby.  even though the conception wasnt from the man she was dating, happened before she was married, and was young also.
hmm.....

dontracy - 2010-01-29 3:21 PM

Mary was actually betrothed to Joseph, and thus had a valid marriage under Jewish law.  Jesus is from the house of David through Joseph's line.  That's only possible with a legal and valid Jewish marriage.

Friday Catholic Factoid: The marriage between Mary and Joseph was valid, but never consummated.  It is still possible today to have a valid yet unconsummated marriage under Catholic Canon law.  It's called a Josephite marriage.  It's rare, but may be granted for various reasons.

dontracy - 2010-01-29 4:21 PM

Mary was actually betrothed to Joseph, and thus had a valid marriage under Jewish law.  Jesus is from the house of David through Joseph's line.  That's only possible with a legal and valid Jewish marriage.

Friday Catholic Factoid: The marriage between Mary and Joseph was valid, but never consummated.  It is still possible today to have a valid yet unconsummated marriage under Catholic Canon law.  It's called a Josephite marriage.  It's rare, but may be granted for various reasons.

TeddieMao - 2010-01-29 4:23 PM
Isn't true that Jesus had siblings?  Were these immaculate conceptions?

TeddieMao - 2010-01-29 4:23 PM
Isn't true that Jesus had siblings?  Were these immaculate conceptions?

wabash - 2010-01-29 12:49 PM



matter of fact, i think she set a pretty darn good example for the rest of us by giving birth to her baby.  even though the conception wasnt from the man she was dating, happened before she was married, and was young also.
hmm.....

wabash -
i had only heard that they were betrothed, not wed at the time of the conception.
but later the bible conveys that they had become married (or taken as husband and wife).

meherczeg -
One of the gospels says that Joseph respected her virginity until AFTER Jesus was born.  He had several siblings, also called out in the gospels.  And in Jewish culture - marriage didn't count until you consummated it - you actually had sex after the wedding ceremony before the celebration while everyone waited outside.  Fascinating stuff.

dontracy - 2010-01-29 12:17 PM

Those are two beautiful stories, Keri.  Thanks for sharing that.

Do you know the Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep organization?  They're a network of photographers who volunteer to create remembrance portraits for families who have lost children near birth.  Excellent organization.  Perhaps your friend would be interested.

KeriKadi - 2010-01-29 9:47 AM I have to say I don't get the 'only in case of rape or incest'
If you believe it is a baby/life that does not change based on how the baby was created.
I have a friend who is a product of rape she is a wonderful wife and mother.

Having an abortion is continuing the cycle of pain and abuse.  A lot of women who have abortions don't just wash their hands of it and go on with life.  They are tortured, feel guilty, go through depression, have a higher suicide rate (I have read) then women who would have gone through with the pregnancy and maybe given the baby up for adoption.  There is an organization called Rachel's Vineyard devoted to helping women heal after having made the choice to abort. 

At the VERY least what I would like to see happen is women scheduling an abortion being allowed to view their 'tissue' on an ultrasound.  They should know what they are having removed and as someone who received an ultrasound at 10 weeks I can tell you it's not tissue.

Someone said you can't tell women what to do unless you are willing to raise the child.  Adoption is ALWAYS an option.  Yes, it is a sacrifice and the least selfish choice.

One of my best friends is currently 34 weeks pregnant with a baby she knows will not survive.  This baby has 3 major defects and of which can be incompatable with life on their own.  The doctors said she would never make it to the 3rd trimester and yet here she is.  When they discovered the problems with the baby at 24 weeks the doctor told my friend he was sorry he couldn't give her an abortion because it was too late.  This AFTER my friends midwife had called the doctor and specifically asked him not to mention abortion.  It is at this time my friend fired her specialist and went shopping for another.  The assumption made was surely this woman would want an abortion.

This baby is living inside her, kicking, dancing, hiccuping.  They have made the decisions to carry her until she goes into labor spontaneously.  When someone else asked me why she isn't inducing my comment was 'how could they choose the day their baby is going to die?'  They know after she is born, assuming she is born alive, she will have a very short life (minutes).  Their only hope as a family (they have 3 children) is that they get to say hello before they have to say goodbye.  She is measuring 10 weeks ahead because of extra fluid, she is living on an emotional roller coaster every single day but she is putting this in God's hands.  They gave her a less than 5% chance of making it to the third trimester and are now saying a 1% chance of being born alive.  This is what courage looks like.  This is faith.

lisac957 - 2010-01-29 11:52 AM

Are you saying someone can't have an opinion that abortion is wrong just because they are not in a financial or life position to currently adopt? Only those who have adopted can hold the opinion that abortion is wrong/adoption is better? Do you see how this is a flawed logic?