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 2010-02-04 10:00 AM in reply to: #2645674 |
Champion  6503    NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete |  Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero barsI am currently communicating with TJ about his setup. Jealous? Yeah, I thought so. I am going to my fitter armed with TJ's take on the setup. |
| 2010-02-04 10:24 AM in reply to: #2645041 |
Champion 7136   Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars I'm hoping it works out well Mike. Here's one of Landis... a bit more conservative than TJ (no Jockstraps)  Also, if I remember right there was a thread a few months ago about this position... some good info from on it I believe... might be worth digging up. |
| 2010-02-04 10:46 AM in reply to: #2654527 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-02-04 9:00 AM I am currently communicating with TJ about his setup. Jealous? Yeah, I thought so. I am going to my fitter armed with TJ's take on the setup. you do understand that aside from helping move stuff around, unless your fitter has a wind tunnel he cant tell you if its going ot be faster..... |
| 2010-02-04 11:06 AM in reply to: #2654686 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars newbz - 2010-02-04 10:46 AM pga_mike - 2010-02-04 9:00 AM I am currently communicating with TJ about his setup. Jealous? Yeah, I thought so. I am going to my fitter armed with TJ's take on the setup. you do understand that aside from helping move stuff around, unless your fitter has a wind tunnel he cant tell you if its going ot be faster.....I am not looking for the aerodynamically fastest position as much as I am looking for a sustainable aero position. I am certain that a comfortable, even if it is different, aero position is ALMOST ALWAYS better than on the handlebars. Also, his position just makes more sense than hands down low for the average conditioned triathlete. It doesn't change the size of your profile, and your aerobars/forearms break the wind for your head/body.  (Like the nose of a jet). Low hands would create one air disturbance at the hands, and another at your chest/head).  If you knew NOTHING about triathlon, which picture looks more aerodynamic? |
| 2010-02-04 11:12 AM in reply to: #2654746 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars that is taking into account that the air from top of your hands to bottom of your chin is "dirty" in the second picture and that your forearms taking the brunt of the wind is "aero" in the first. Which might very well be. |
| 2010-02-04 11:14 AM in reply to: #2654771 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Leegoocrap - 2010-02-04 11:12 AM that is taking into account that the air from top of your hands to bottom of your chin is "dirty" in the second picture and that your forearms taking the brunt of the wind is "aero" in the first. Which might very well be. Can you clarify, or were you saying that you aren't sure? |
| 2010-02-04 11:21 AM in reply to: #2654777 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Ok, similar scenario (different but not totally off topic) Is it better (in this scenario...interchangable with "more aero") to have your water bottle mounted ABOVE the aerobars (the new wave) or have something like a Profile design "aerodrink" that hangs "under" the aerobars. Same with your forearms. 1.)Pointed up ( a la TJ) they form a "shield" of sorts to the air. 2.)Pointed forward (most people) they form a "spear" of sorts. Now the next question is... is having that "hole" opened up dirtying the air (making you slower) or is "shielding" with your forearms actually making your surface area bigger (making you slower) I don't know, but that comes to mind |
| 2010-02-04 11:27 AM in reply to: #2654801 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Here is what I use as evidence is swimming. If you were going through water instead of air, you would try to get as much of your body in a single line as possible. Unfortunately, the "spears" (forearms) are still attached to the upper arms. My swimming form is horrible, because every part of my body is on its own plane. |
| 2010-02-04 11:34 AM in reply to: #2654826 |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Ahhh, but what if there is a 15 mph crosswind for much of your ride? Which position is more aero then? Make sure the fitter takes that into account! Mike - bottom line - you are spot on...get fit for whatever position you can sustain for the highest percentage time for your usual/next race. Just make sure you can maintain upright and steer a little bit on the damn bike too! |
| 2010-02-04 11:36 AM in reply to: #2654826 |
| Davenport, IA | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-02-04 11:27 AM Here is what I use as evidence is swimming. If you were going through water instead of air, you would try to get as much of your body in a single line as possible. Unfortunately, the "spears" (forearms) are still attached to the upper arms. My swimming form is horrible, because every part of my body is on its own plane. Then wouldn't you be better off trying to get your body more stretched out into a "spear" then putting your arms up in front of your face like a "wall"? |
| 2010-02-04 11:43 AM in reply to: #2654826 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-02-04 12:27 PM Here is what I use as evidence is swimming. If you were going through water instead of air, you would try to get as much of your body in a single line as possible. Unfortunately, the "spears" (forearms) are still attached to the upper arms. My swimming form is horrible, because every part of my body is on its own plane. I agree, but you have to also take into account "where" your upper arms are compared to where your forearms will be. Any way you look at it, if it is comfortable, it's not bad... if it feels similar... without a wind tunnel it's hard to say if it's going to hurt or help. (edit) here's the thread by Daremo on it. http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=36112&posts=12&mid=352925&highlight=mantis&highlightmode=1&action=search#M352925 Edited by Leegoocrap 2010-02-04 11:45 AM |
| 2010-02-04 11:48 AM in reply to: #2645041 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars and a better one that goes a bit more into it. http://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=182392&start=1 |
| 2010-02-04 12:36 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Extreme Veteran 787 The Woodlands/Magnolia, TX. | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars screw the aerodynamics, your guns will look awesome for the pictures when your hands are up like that! Edited by antlimon166 2010-02-04 12:37 PM |
| 2010-02-04 12:38 PM in reply to: #2655037 |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota Bronze member | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars |
| 2010-02-04 12:47 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Master 1927 Guilford, CT | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Mike, buddy, your doing Savageman right? F-it. Your not going to be in aero very long anyway so it really doesn't matter. You should be figuring out your best climbing position! Edited by acumenjay 2010-02-04 12:50 PM |
| 2010-02-04 12:51 PM in reply to: #2654826 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars pga_mike - 2010-02-04 11:27 AM Here is what I use as evidence is swimming. If you were going through water instead of air, you would try to get as much of your body in a single line as possible. Unfortunately, the "spears" (forearms) are still attached to the upper arms. My swimming form is horrible, because every part of my body is on its own plane.
Three things here Mike you need to look at when you are looking at aerodynamics and your water theory.
I still contend that a more "upright" position might be better for you vs. being so aggresive over the bars. The % gains benfit from a pure comfortability stand point would be as good or great than some freaky aero position... |
| 2010-02-04 1:09 PM in reply to: #2654861 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Sprint_DA - 2010-02-04 10:36 AM pga_mike - 2010-02-04 11:27 AM Here is what I use as evidence is swimming. If you were going through water instead of air, you would try to get as much of your body in a single line as possible. Unfortunately, the "spears" (forearms) are still attached to the upper arms. My swimming form is horrible, because every part of my body is on its own plane. Then wouldn't you be better off trying to get your body more stretched out into a "spear" then putting your arms up in front of your face like a "wall"? yes. I am pretty sure some of the fastest TT tested and Hour TT times have comes from the *superman* position, stretcehd out. |
| 2010-02-04 1:29 PM in reply to: #2655180 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars newbz - 2010-02-04 2:09 PM Sprint_DA - 2010-02-04 10:36 AM yes. I am pretty sure some of the fastest TT tested and Hour TT times have comes from the *superman* position, stretcehd out. pga_mike - 2010-02-04 11:27 AM Here is what I use as evidence is swimming. If you were going through water instead of air, you would try to get as much of your body in a single line as possible. Unfortunately, the "spears" (forearms) are still attached to the upper arms. My swimming form is horrible, because every part of my body is on its own plane. Then wouldn't you be better off trying to get your body more stretched out into a "spear" then putting your arms up in front of your face like a "wall"? what an enjoyable hour that must be |
| 2010-02-04 1:37 PM in reply to: #2655280 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars have you seen that position before? |
| 2010-02-04 1:53 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars |
| 2010-02-04 1:56 PM in reply to: #2655384 |
Champion 7233 | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars thats even further over than the last one i saw. |
| 2010-02-04 2:49 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars First of all going around and around on a circle for a hour... no part of that sounds like fun... actually it sounds like the NASCAR of cycling... |
| 2010-02-04 8:30 PM in reply to: #2655384 |
| Davenport, IA | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Leegoocrap - 2010-02-04 1:53 PM  I repeat... not envious of that hour It's a real shame that they took away his hour record and switched it to a "best human effort" record. |
| 2010-02-04 8:57 PM in reply to: #2656083 |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars Sprint_DA - 2010-02-04 8:30 PM Leegoocrap - 2010-02-04 1:53 PM I repeat... not envious of that hour It's a real shame that they took away his hour record and switched it to a "best human effort" record. Those "true TT bikes" really don't make for much bike porn. |
| 2010-02-04 11:00 PM in reply to: #2645041 |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: I am getting a wild set up for my aero bars doesn't he realize he can't be going that fast on two tri spokes... Two disks... duh |
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