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2005-07-08 4:56 PM

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Subject: I know nothing - is this a good price?
So I went driving around to several of the LBS around my area today. test rode a few bikes. Made some conversation with the employees.

My main observation is that there is very little in the way of deals out there right now. Not many were having much in the way of sales.

But I did see one that is selling off all of the 2004 Cannondale stock. And it just so happened that they had an R500 in my size that rode very nice. So, they are selling a 2004 Cannondale R500 for $580. Since I'm ignorant, I need some help to determine if that is a good deal or not. So tell me, is this a top-notch deal, or should I keep looking. Like I said, I really liked the ride. And it's definitely in my price range (under $800.)

Any comments on the bike? Cannondales in general?

Thanks for any help.


2005-07-08 5:00 PM
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What components does it have?  
2005-07-08 5:09 PM
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TriMom217 - 2005-07-08 5:00 PM

What components does it have?


Front Derailleur Shimano Tiagra
Rear Derailleur Shimano 105

I know these off-hand. I can pull any others off of the website.
2005-07-08 5:12 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
Sounds like a good price. Just make sure the bike fits.

For some reviews, check out this link.
2005-07-08 5:16 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?

Here is the 2005 model  http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/05/cusa/model-5RR5T.html

$580 is not a bad deal, but I would be concerned about the component level.  Cannondale makes great, stiff aluminum frames, but to get the best from the frame you should have components you can really hammer on.  The R500 has 105 and lower.  I think that you will suffer from the weight, and (more importantly) from the quality of those components.  They will wear faster, break easier, and generally give you more trouble over the long run.  They will force you to upgrade, which over some time will cost you more than it's worth.

My recommendation is to look for something full 105 ($1000 level), full Ultegra ($1500 level) or a mix of the two.  You will be much happier in the long run.  Look for internet deals and mail order deals too.  I'll poke around and see what I can find.  What is your frame size?

2005-07-08 5:20 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
The 58 was perfect for me.

But price is a huge issue for me right now. I have a three month old son and a wife who took six months off when he was born. Right now, I am just looking to purchase something to get me through the next couple of years. By that time, money should not be the issue it is right now.

Not to mention, with it being my first bike, I don't want to jump in too deep. Before this, I was looking at Giant OCR2 and Felt F80, if that gives you any idea of what I am looking for.

Crash_Man - 2005-07-08 5:16 PM

Here is the 2005 model http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/05/cusa/model-5RR5T.html

$580 is not a bad deal, but I would be concerned about the component level. Cannondale makes great, stiff aluminum frames, but to get the best from the frame you should have components you can really hammer on. The R500 has 105 and lower. I think that you will suffer from the weight, and (more importantly) from the quality of those components. They will wear faster, break easier, and generally give you more trouble over the long run. They will force you to upgrade, which over some time will cost you more than it's worth.

My recommendation is to look for something full 105 ($1000 level), full Ultegra ($1500 level) or a mix of the two. You will be much happier in the long run. Look for internet deals and mail order deals too. I'll poke around and see what I can find. What is your frame size?



2005-07-08 5:46 PM
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Those two are at the same component level as the Cannondale.  I guess frame fit would make the difference.  But it sounds like price is your motivating factor.  So, my question to you:  Why not buy used?  More bike for less to get you by until you can get what you really want.  Here are a few options I found on ebay just pokin around for you:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=98084&item=7168365289&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW\

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=7298&item=7168244702&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=98084&item=7168250216&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

2005-07-08 5:54 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
It looks good to me. You will easily get 8000 K out of a 105 set up. Weight? So what. Lose a few pounds if weight is an issue - unless you are already at perfect weight. This is a stop gap bike as you get into the sport - OK - and if or when you decide on a new bike you still have a decent back up bike.

This is a hobby! It should be fun and it shouldn't break the bank. Get what you can afford.
2005-07-08 5:58 PM
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Not trying to argue, but weight on your body and weight on your bike are completely different.  It's not the weight that the tires press into the asphault, its the weight of the bike as you pedal against it.  If you've ever ridden two different bikes that are 10 pounds difference one right after the other, you will be able to feel what I mean.

I ride a Trek 5000 carbon bike.  18 pounds.  It's like ride a speed cloud! 

2005-07-08 6:03 PM
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2005-07-08 6:19 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?

igbomb

WARNING: This reply comes from a relative Newbie!

Sounds like you have a firm price range to stay in - stick to your guns! It's far too easy to fall for that old "well, xy piece of equipment is ony $800, but I can upgrade to an xxy for only $150 more, and for a small $50 I can get an abc add on, and that $400 upgrade to race-specific xyz piece of gear is a must have..."

This is a fun hobby, and you have much greater priorities for your disposable income, with a wife off work and a little one to look after. Play it safe and play it smart and stick within your budget. REMEMBER: you will likely need to buy pedals and cycling shoes for the bike as well (or you should) so add on another $100-150 to the price. If you're brand new to cycling, then remember to save some money for a helmet and a pair of cycling shorts as well.

I'm Mr. Cheap, and I'm all for buying used - you can get much higher end components and an all-round better bang-for-your-buck by buying a gently used 2, 3, 4 yr old bike (or older - mine was 6).

Saying that, there is always some je ne sais quoi about a new bike (or anything new!). The Cannondale sounds like a great first bike, and you said yourself that you plan on getting a year or two out of it before upgrading,m so what's to think about?

Happy shopping, and congrats on the new addition to your family (oh, and congrats on the baby, too!)

2005-07-08 6:33 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
A lot of the bikes from the name brands in the sub-800 range come with Sora components, rather than 105's. If igbomb wants something new, with a warranty, and with a LBS to back it up, a 580 R500 isn't a bad way to go. Might there be a better deal out there somewhere? Certainly. But for 2 years, the Cannondale wouldn't be a bad bike to break in on.
2005-07-08 6:39 PM
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If he isn't comfortable with working on his own ride, then an LBS bike is certainly the way to go. 
2005-07-08 6:42 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?

I agree - when I was looking at new bikes, very few entry level bikes in this price range had anything better than Sora - and have you priced a complete group upgrade? Well, don't!

Is the LBS where the Cannondale is a store that you are willing to throw more money at in the future? Seem friendly? Answer lots of newbie-type questions without sighing or rolling their eyes?

Methinks the Cannondale is calling your name. GO! Then post some pics of your new bike!

2005-07-08 6:48 PM
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Crash_Man - 2005-07-08 4:16 PM

 I think that you will suffer from the weight, and (more importantly) from the quality of those components.  They will wear faster, break easier, and generally give you more trouble over the long run.  They will force you to upgrade, which over some time will cost you more than it's worth.

I've got an entry level specialized Allez, $650 new (2002), Sora/Tiagra components, been ridden hard for over 11,000 miles, crashed bad enough to shave 1/4 inch of metal off the rear derailleur, yet it still shifts true every time. Have replaced nothing but wheels and tires, just routine maintenance. Sora components are not your department store quality, even an "entry-level" bike from one of these manufacturers is a good piece of machinery.

And Crashman, whether it's in your frame or around your waist, you still have to haul those extra pounds up the hill, or get them going from a standing start. The only place the weight is more important is rotational weight in the wheels, etc.



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2005-07-08 7:02 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
I'd buy it.  It's in your price range, has decent entry-level components, it fits, and it's a Cannondale. 

Now for the important stuff.....what color is it? 
2005-07-08 7:02 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
Thanks. A lot of great replies here.

The LBS includes free lifetime tuneups (twice a year) and gives a 10% discount on all accessories and components for a year.

Also, the bike comes with cages, something I would remedy pretty quickly.

I talked to my wife, and I think I will go get it. I am a long ways away from bike quality making a big difference in my times. My first priority will be to drop about 20 pounds. I figure that by the time the bike becomes my limiting factor, I will be in a better position to buy a tri-bike.

Thanks again!
2005-07-08 7:03 PM
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TriMom217 - 2005-07-08 7:02 PM

I'd buy it. It's in your price range, has decent entry-level components, it fits, and it's a Cannondale.

Now for the important stuff.....what color is it?


Black, is that OK?
2005-07-08 7:29 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
Warranty and LBS support. It's a decent deal and if you think it rides good, get it. The components are fine. No, they're not top of the line, and a little heavy, but they're durable and you won't break the bank.
2005-07-08 7:34 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
Peer reviewed studies conducted at MIT have proven that black bikes are 4.8% faster than any other color bike. Although further studies have shown those riding other color bikes (especially red) have a hard time accepting these thoroughly researched facts.

Ernie


2005-07-08 7:57 PM
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ejc999 - 2005-07-08 6:34 PM Peer reviewed studies conducted at MIT have proven that black bikes are 4.8% faster than any other color bike. Although further studies have shown those riding other color bikes (especially red) have a hard time accepting these thoroughly researched facts. Ernie

From your race times, you might want to look into one of those black bikes.

2005-07-08 9:37 PM
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Subject: RE: I know nothing - is this a good price?
the bear - 2005-07-08 8:57 PM

From your race times, you might want to look into one of those black bikes.

OUCH!

2005-07-08 11:50 PM
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A lot of great replies here. The LBS includes free lifetime tuneups (twice a year) and gives a 10% discount on all accessories and components for a year. 

Just for this I think I would go for it.

You'll probably save $$$ over the years, with free tune-ups (to the cost of say at LEAST $25 per tune-up), plus with the 10% discount you can get bottle cages, helmet, bike shorts, clipless pedals, shoes, and a basic bike computer and probably stay under your $800 limit. 

Oh, you might want to buy the helmet and bike shorts online, you could probably get a better $$ value - however, bike shops always have something on sale, and if you get the sale bike shorts, with the 10% discount, you could do ok. 

Umm... I also think buying "Zinn and the Art of Road Bike Maintenance" is a must.  Lots of tech detail in there, but will really help you to learn about your bike.

2005-07-09 12:40 AM
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cadreamer - 2005-07-08 8:50 PM Umm... I also think buying "Zinn and the Art of Road Bike Maintenance" is a must.  Lots of tech detail in there, but will really help you to learn about your bike.

Lennard Zinn is the man!  I bought his first book when it came out and I was an apprentice bicycle mechanic.  It helped me a lot through the basics, and can even get you into more advanced mechanics! 

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