Thoughts on man winning the Disney Princess Half Marathon (Page 3)

I think I figured out the quotes...

*Sigh* here we go again. Your assumption that I would sue is as fair as my assumption that every time you don't place first in a race, you lay on the ground, kicking and screaming that life is unfair. And blaming men for this unfairness, obviously.

Agreed.

I disagree. I believe (and yes, I may be mistaken) that discrimination is wrong. Period. And I also believe that this can be addressed with the existing laws, which in many cases are not enforced, rather then by counter-discriminating.

It was a race. He won. No bad form involved, any more then the woman that you were urging to win the men's only race in the above paragraph would be showing bad form by winning said race.

Like your asking for evidence, me not providing it (which obviously means that I was wrong), and then you doing the same, and thinking that it is different...?

I'm afraid that we seem to be living on different planets. While admittedly women are much better at being subtle, if you seriously believe that men are not “ogled, judged, the perception of either of those things, regardless of the reality”, then you are either living in a convent, a cave or a seperate reality then people I know.

Absolutely. So let's deal with that problem, instead of adding another one.

Yet another assumption, since you have no idea as to how I view ACTUAL cases of discrimination. You really need to work on this... :-)

Not even close. With this form of discrimination, I respond in a forum, mention it to my better half, and when they get older, I'll discuss it with my kids. Like you said, it's fluff. With other forms, such as discrimination against gays, women in the workplace, minorities, etc., I believe that if you are not part of the solution, you are definitely part of the problem. I will argue the situation if I see it, confront those that are wrong, show my support where I can, and teach my kids to do the same.

Discrimination is wrong, it's unacceptable, and ignoring it furthers the problem.

[Q]Brook Gardner, an Oregon sports journalist, went to San Francisco last year to cover the race, and at the urging of Nike officials agreed to run it[/Q]

[Q]He ran it, he says, because his wife, coach of a Nike running club, encouraged him.[/Q]

I agree that including the "you" part in that was unfair. That's not the crux of my argument though.

Alright, well I suppose that we can agree to disagree on the basis of the argument of shades of discrimination.

Wrong. He entered the race knowing that he had a statistically larger chance of placing well at this race than at a race with men involved. The woman would not have that same opportunity.

I cannot possibly believe that you are making the argument that you're intending to make, unless you're simply making a semantic argument based on the exclusion of qualifiers. You truly believe that the men and women are on the same playing field in this regard?!

OK, this kind of goes contrary to what you said above, so perhaps you'd like to enter a retraction? And how the heck is this adding a problem? Bringing a debate like this to light highlights the underlying tensions that are inherently present in the system and are not suddenly created when some race organizers decide to do something strictly for women.

Erm, no. This is not an assumption. You clearly stated that you believe "Discrimination is discrimination.", therefore you have an imbalance between this innocuous form of discrimination and the real issues of discrimination that prevent people from getting jobs, apartments, etc.

Not even close. Women obviously suffer from this much more then men. Perhaps I should stop looking at what you say literally, since that is what I addressed?

So one cannot believe that discrimination is discrimination, while at the same time realize that there are different levels? You might want to ask for a refund for your logical thinking class.

Using your logic, the fact that you agree with this sort of discrimination, automatically means that you agree with ALL forms of discrimination. However, I suspect that this is not necessarily the case.

Let's see if I can clarify my points.

Regarding the race/event:

First, having an event that excludes another group is discrimination.

Second, I disagree with allowing discrimination.

Regarding levels of discrimination:

My personal opinion is that having a culture of discrimination in the workplace that makes minorities and women treated as second hand citizens, or in a school which does not give them the same opportunities, is much more serious then a race. The level of harm is different, despite both being discrimination, which should not be allowed, in general.

Regarding equality:

Men and women are not treated equally. But rather then enforce this, and have situations where this is encouraged, equality should be enforced. Pay should be given based on ability/experience, not gender. And if this is not happening, the workplace should be taken to court to make it happen.

Cute. What you lack in logic, you more then make up for in diplomacy.

A question for you, regarding equality: Should the physical requirements and testing for a firefighter or a combat soldier, be the same for both sexes? Or should the woman have an easier test?