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 2010-10-24 10:59 AM in reply to: #3169129 |
Champion  10154    Alabama |  Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.”trix - 2010-10-24 10:35 AM good for him. like i said 16-17 hrs is doable....as long as you have INSANE determination. did he want to prove his friend wrong or what! bottom line you are not talking about some overweight dude here just getting up from a couch and saying lets do an ironman today.... Why would he need any more determination than any other BOPer/17 hr finisher? ~Mike |
| 2010-10-24 11:33 AM in reply to: #3169143 |
| Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Rogillio - 2010-10-24 8:59 AM trix - 2010-10-24 10:35 AM good for him. like i said 16-17 hrs is doable....as long as you have INSANE determination. did he want to prove his friend wrong or what! bottom line you are not talking about some overweight dude here just getting up from a couch and saying lets do an ironman today.... Why would he need any more determination than any other BOPer/17 hr finisher? ~Mike Because most BOPers at least trained and the body is setup to handle that distance/time doing those sports. His, while fit, was not setup to deal with that. That isn't saying that everyone out on that course doesn't need determination. Just cause someone said this guy needed an insane amount of determnation doesn't mean they are dismissing the determination of everyone else. |
| 2010-10-24 11:42 AM in reply to: #3168970 |
Champion 19812  MA | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” I read in another thread he finished in about 15:30. Wonder if he trained what kind of time he could put up? |
| 2010-10-24 11:46 AM in reply to: #3169160 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” bzgl40 - 2010-10-24 11:33 AM Rogillio - 2010-10-24 8:59 AM trix - 2010-10-24 10:35 AM good for him. like i said 16-17 hrs is doable....as long as you have INSANE determination. did he want to prove his friend wrong or what! bottom line you are not talking about some overweight dude here just getting up from a couch and saying lets do an ironman today.... Why would he need any more determination than any other BOPer/17 hr finisher? ~Mike Because most BOPers at least trained and the body is setup to handle that distance/time doing those sports. His, while fit, was not setup to deal with that. That isn't saying that everyone out on that course doesn't need determination. Just cause someone said this guy needed an insane amount of determnation doesn't mean they are dismissing the determination of everyone else. My point is, he does not need 'insane determination' anyore than anyone else does. All one needs to is to make a decision that they will keep moving as long as their body is capable of moving. I never understood the spectators that cheer IM people on saying "don't quit". I don't know anyone that "guits". Their body might shut down and they DNF but they didn't just give up because it was too hard. So the guy taking the challange just needs to decide he is going to keep moving as long as his body is capable. And that is the same decision every BOPer has to make. ~Mike |
| 2010-10-24 11:53 AM in reply to: #3168970 |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Congrats to this guy--I think he's awesome and I'm jealous! However, from his background, he had some pretty decent fitness and endurance, and probably could at least breaststroke his way to a leisurely swim finish. The human body is a pretty unbelievable machine, and I'd say most of us are capable of far more than we can imagine. If your kid was dying, and you didn't have much of an endurance background, and some eccentric millionaire was willing to pay for expensive but fairly certain treatment IF you finished an iron race in 17 hours ... I'm pretty sure you could do it. There are interesting corollaries, for example, during wartime when people are subject to forced marches under horrible conditions. Yes, lots of them don't make it. What's surprising is how many did. |
| 2010-10-24 11:57 AM in reply to: #3169166 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” This story boils down to "24 year old professional soccer player and marathon finisher completes Ironman". In other words, not much of a story. The guy is already an athlete, and running around a soccer field for the length of that game certainly counts as an "endurance event". No stunny amount of determination needed. We IM triathletes like pat ourselves on the back and think what we do requires stunning super human abilities and/or long long hours of training or insance determination. Couch to IM, yes. Average Joe to IM, some of that. Professional soccer player to IM, nope. And this guy just proved that. Rogillio - 2010-10-24 9:46 AM My point is, he does not need 'insane determination' anyore than anyone else does. All one needs to is to make a decision that they will keep moving as long as their body is capable of moving. I never understood the spectators that cheer IM people on saying "don't quit". I don't know anyone that "guits". Their body might shut down and they DNF but they didn't just give up because it was too hard. So the guy taking the challange just needs to decide he is going to keep moving as long as his body is capable. And that is the same decision every BOPer has to make. ~Mike Mike, I have to say my wife tells me lots of people just quit because it's too hard. Waiting for me at IMs, she's watched many people self-DNF with one more run loop to do and the like, and then decline medical attention and walk off. She's heard them say "I just can't do one more" and the like. The course officials often try to talk them out of it, because they're probably just experiencing one of those "low lows" that can happen in a race, and they'll probably regret their DNF. It wasn't their body that shut down. It was their mind that wasn't up to finishing. |
| 2010-10-24 12:18 PM in reply to: #3169175 |
Champion 10154 Alabama | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” brucemorgan - 2010-10-24 11:57 AM This story boils down to "24 year old professional soccer player and marathon finisher completes Ironman". In other words, not much of a story. The guy is already an athlete, and running around a soccer field for the length of that game certainly counts as an "endurance event". No stunny amount of determination needed. We IM triathletes like pat ourselves on the back and think what we do requires stunning super human abilities and/or long long hours of training or insance determination. Couch to IM, yes. Average Joe to IM, some of that. Professional soccer player to IM, nope. And this guy just proved that. Rogillio - 2010-10-24 9:46 AM My point is, he does not need 'insane determination' anyore than anyone else does. All one needs to is to make a decision that they will keep moving as long as their body is capable of moving. I never understood the spectators that cheer IM people on saying "don't quit". I don't know anyone that "guits". Their body might shut down and they DNF but they didn't just give up because it was too hard. Mike, I have to say my wife tells me lots of people just quit because it's too hard. Waiting for me at IMs, she's watched many people self-DNF with one more run loop to do and the like, and then decline medical attention and walk off. She's heard them say "I just can't do one more" and the like. The course officials often try to talk them out of it, because they're probably just experiencing one of those "low lows" that can happen in a race, and they'll probably regret their DNF. It wasn't their body that shut down. It was their mind that wasn't up to finishing.So the guy taking the challange just needs to decide he is going to keep moving as long as his body is capable. And that is the same decision every BOPer has to make. ~Mike Wow. OK, then I stand corrected. This suprises me as the idea of 'quiting becuase it is too hard' never, ever enters my mind. The pain of quitting is 100x the temporary discomfort of being tired/sore. ~Mike |
| 2010-10-24 12:21 PM in reply to: #3169164 |
Extreme Veteran 635 Georgia | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” KathyG - 2010-10-24 11:42 AMI read in another thread he finished in about 15:30. So then he must have finished around the same time as this guy.Rock on Lew! http://www.bendbulletin.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20101011/NEW...Wonder if he trained what kind of time he could put up? Edited by mxr746 2010-10-24 12:23 PM |
| 2010-10-24 1:07 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Expert 1159 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Impressive. Of course now I no longer have to worry about IMWI training next year. Instead of all those five hour bike rides I'll just show up on race day and wing it. And boy do I feel foolish for all the time wasted training for the B2B half. |
| 2010-10-24 1:43 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Veteran 341 Orangevale, CA | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Here are his splits / total time
http://chiptimes.com/Home/tabid/60/Default.aspx?EventID=383 |
| 2010-10-24 1:51 PM in reply to: #3169227 |
Member 56 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” croyston - 2010-10-25 11:43 AM Here are his splits / total time
http://chiptimes.com/Home/tabid/60/Default.aspx?EventID=383 I agree with xmann1102. Can a pro soccer player and marathon runner handle the bike and run, yes - no doubt. But the swimming? Come on. Maybe in 2.5 hours, but there's no way he could swim the time he did with as little practice as he claimed. I'm not hatin in any way and think he's a total badass. I'm just agreeing that his lack of training on bike and swim were greatly exaggerated. |
| 2010-10-24 1:52 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Good on this chap for finishing... and for a good cause. Congrats to him! But "untrained"????? He's a 24yo gifted endurance athlete in outstanding physical condition (5'9"/150#,pro NPSL soccer player, history D1 soccer (all-league @ Cornell), & marathon run). He apparently knew how to swim ("haven't swam recently" suggests he clearly has swum in the past). This guy also has demonstrated mental toughness (star D1 competitive soccer & losing mother to cancer as a young teen). No biking experience is relatively minor consideration for otherwise strong athlete. With some professional guidance on bike set-up (& good bike shorts!) it it's possible for some strong runners to do amazing things cycling (like non-biking marathon runner who posted >375mi at Nat'l 24hr Challenge bike race a while back). And 17 hrs (or 16hr goal for his fund raising) allows for very slow pace. I know I'm late to the thread, but I would not have bet against him. EDIT- After seeing that swim time- -non-swimmer??? Edited by Oldteen 2010-10-24 1:57 PM |
| 2010-10-24 1:52 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Extreme Veteran 612 Chicago-ish | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” So what? All he did was finish a race so far back in the pack that the winners had enough time to have caught a flight and be halfway home by the time he crossed the finish line. I'm a MOP sprinter and I'll bet any of you that I could play an entire soccer game with a competitive team. For reasonably fit people the challenge of any sport isn't in finishing, it's in finishing well. ETA: I'm not impressed that he could finish but I am that he turned a stupid bet into something to benefit a worthwhile cause. Edited by thndrcloud 2010-10-24 1:57 PM |
| 2010-10-24 1:54 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Master 2404 Redlands, CA | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” If he swam a 1:31 that's not a bad time at all.. the guy just seems like an all around stud and his achievement is somewhat misleading. |
| 2010-10-24 2:00 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Expert 898 Plano, National Capital Region | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” I personally don't think that finishing an Ironman event is too much of a stretch for someone with an athletic background - especially at that level. Now ask him to finish it in 12 hrs or less - that's a little trickier. Sure, it takes a lot of determination to finish but thousands of people do the race distance every year - so it's difficult but not that unique, just thinking about it objectively. I did say 'someone with an athletic background' - meaning they are around a national level athlete (and being 24 doesn't hurt). It's not like you're taking a 40 yr-old, overweight, sedentary-lifestyle person, without much background in any of the 3 sports and then giving them 2 weeks notice to finish an ironman. Now if you add the time constraint (and not the cut-offs), it becomes a much more difficult challenge (can he do it under 12 hrs with even a month of training?). Personally, I think that finishing an Olympic distance tri in around 2 hrs is much more impressive than finishing an Ironman. I don't know the numbers but I bet far less people are able to do the former than the latter. |
| 2010-10-24 2:19 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Expert 1087 Portland | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” I, for one am VERY glad that he finished. If he were taking the money, I would have called him a HUGE tool bag. But this is impressive. I used to play soccer and it is not an easy sport, its more about recovery and mitigating losses more so than actual fitness level. He know's how to "want it" and how to "go for it". I'm sure if you asked him how it was he would probably say it is one of the hardest things he's ever had to do in his life. Him completing this does not take anything away from the sport or how difficult Ironman is. It just proves that an elite level soccer player can complete an Ironman. Congrats and way to race for a good cause! |
| 2010-10-24 2:29 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” Call me skeptical, but I don't buy his lack of swim training and finishing in 1:31. Untrained swimmers nearly universally have difficulties swimming a few laps at first. It's just not something you can will your way through like a run or bike. He could just be a freak of nature, and I could be wrong of course. |
| 2010-10-24 2:36 PM in reply to: #3169235 |
Expert 1037 Portland, OR | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” thndrcloud - 2010-10-24 1:52 PM So what? All he did was finish a race so far back in the pack that the winners had enough time to have caught a flight and be halfway home by the time he crossed the finish line. I'm a MOP sprinter and I'll bet any of you that I could play an entire soccer game with a competitive team. For reasonably fit people the challenge of any sport isn't in finishing, it's in finishing well. ETA: I'm not impressed that he could finish but I am that he turned a stupid bet into something to benefit a worthwhile cause. Careful with that claim...that's dangerous. Soccer is very different from triathlon. I made the switch the opposite way, and the training is not similar at all. No offense to any triathletes, but it's difficult for ANY other sports' athletes to translate on the soccer field because it's so stop-and-go. When I switched to triathlon, I was overwhelmed because I couldn't keep the long-term pace that I wanted to, but I sure as heck could sprint faster than a lot of people over 100 yard distances, and do it repeatedly after very short breaks in between. NOW, I can run 6-7 miles okay, but I can't sprint like that anymore! Now that I've defended my sport a bit, I just want to say how PUMPED I am that this guy finished in 15:30 after no TRIATHLON training! Which is really what he meant by "no training." Nobody should take away from that accomplishment. Stop taking away from what this guy did, and just be proud that this guy was doing something for such a worthy cause. This guy is no less of an Ironman than anybody else who finished that race in under 17 hours. Just my $0.02 |
| 2010-10-24 2:37 PM in reply to: #3169257 |
| Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” DerekL - 2010-10-24 12:29 PM Call me skeptical, but I don't buy his lack of swim training and finishing in 1:31. Untrained swimmers nearly universally have difficulties swimming a few laps at first. It's just not something you can will your way through like a run or bike. He could just be a freak of nature, and I could be wrong of course. Agree with the good doctor. I guess there was some charitable aspect to try to justify it, but I find the whole "soccer players are better athletes and I'll prove it by doing an IM "untrained"" aspect highly distasteful Was he in the 12 year old age group? Just my .02 |
| 2010-10-24 2:42 PM in reply to: #3169257 |
Expert 1002 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” DerekL - 2010-10-24 2:29 PM Call me skeptical, but I don't buy his lack of swim training and finishing in 1:31. Untrained swimmers nearly universally have difficulties swimming a few laps at first. It's just not something you can will your way through like a run or bike. He could just be a freak of nature, and I could be wrong of course. I dunno...my swim training for IMMoo was less for the whole year than some people do in a week. No exaggeration. I think I was in the range of 15,000 meters for the year, including an Oly race and a 3500 meter swim for practice a month or two before IM. Swimming was my weakest link in the race and it was unfortunately the most difficult thing for me to train for. I really had no time to get to the pool and when I was there, I got frustrated and left early. I finished the swim in 1:24:37 and felt great that day. My wetsuit undoubtedly helped, so maybe he can chalk that up to it as well. |
| 2010-10-24 2:46 PM in reply to: #3169116 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” xmann1102 - 2010-10-24 10:22 AM If he indeed completed the race, i'm calling BS on not having any training or experience. No way do i believe he could do a swim of that distance without previous training or current experience. The first time i jumped into a pool to start triathlon training i nearly drowned after 50 yards because i had no clue what i was doing. I had also just ran the NYC Marathon so i was in excellent condition. However, i was completely worn out after 2 laps. If he finished i'm saying BS and publicity stunt. That's you. The first time I jumped in a pool to swim laps for triathlon training I swam about a thousand yards without rest and only needed slight tweaks to my form. I never swam competitively, never swam on a swim team and had no lessons past 1st grade. I did surf and spend a lot of time in the water, but never in a way that would mean I knew how to swim distance. Just because you were a terrible swimmer doesn't mean everyone is a terrible swimmer on their first attempt. |
| 2010-10-24 3:38 PM in reply to: #3168970 |
Pro 4353 Wallingford, PA | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” I read this post earlier today (before his finish time was posted) and thought if he could make it through the swim, he probably had sufficient fitness to finish the bike & run if he went easy enough. I too am glad he turned his bet into an opportunity to raise money for a worthy cause. I do wonder how he's going to feel for his soccer game next weekend, though! |
| 2010-10-24 4:13 PM in reply to: #3169257 |
Champion 7547 Albuquerque, New Mexico Bronze member | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” DerekL - 2010-10-24 2:29 PM Call me skeptical, but I don't buy his lack of swim training and finishing in 1:31. Untrained swimmers nearly universally have difficulties swimming a few laps at first. It's just not something you can will your way through like a run or bike. He could just be a freak of nature, and I could be wrong of course. It's also possible that he swam as a youth before he focused on soccer. If he swam as an 8-12 year-old he could get in the pool and quickly be back to swimming 2.4 miles. Props to him! And to everyone who wants to take away his success with "yea...but it wasn't in 12 hours" or "he's so far back..." WHY? He set a BHAG (Big Hairy A* Goal) and got it done! That's a lot more than many people risk. |
| 2010-10-24 4:14 PM in reply to: #3169261 |
Master 2372 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” thndrcloud - 2010-10-24 1:52 PM So what? All he did was finish a race so far back in the pack that the winners had enough time to have caught a flight and be halfway home by the time he crossed the finish line. I'm a MOP sprinter and I'll bet any of you that I could play an entire soccer game with a competitive team. Well, of course you could play, technically. A soccer game involves running 5-6 miles or so and kicking a ball. Anyone in this forum could "complete" a game. At the end of the game your competitive teammates probably won't want you coming back, though, as you would undoubtedly be the most ineffective player on the field. |
| 2010-10-24 4:33 PM in reply to: #3169347 |
Champion 8936 | Subject: RE: “I could do an Ironman, no training.” McFuzz - 2010-10-24 4:13 PM DerekL - 2010-10-24 2:29 PM Call me skeptical, but I don't buy his lack of swim training and finishing in 1:31. Untrained swimmers nearly universally have difficulties swimming a few laps at first. It's just not something you can will your way through like a run or bike. He could just be a freak of nature, and I could be wrong of course. It's also possible that he swam as a youth before he focused on soccer. If he swam as an 8-12 year-old he could get in the pool and quickly be back to swimming 2.4 miles. Props to him! And to everyone who wants to take away his success with "yea...but it wasn't in 12 hours" or "he's so far back..." WHY? He set a BHAG (Big Hairy A* Goal) and got it done! That's a lot more than many people risk. "I’ve never biked for more than 30 minutes at a time (the average time for the bike is 5-6hours) and cumulatively my life-time swimming endeavors don’t even add up to a mile." I would think that what you propose is the only way he could do it as he claimed as well. I'm just very skeptical of the story as stated. I think there's more to it than he's letting on. |
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