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Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM
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 2010-10-24 10:42 PM |
Expert  1051   Bradenton, Florida |  Subject: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HMJust curious what BTer's think, is it more of a challenge to finish an Olympic Distance Tri or a Half Marathon in less than 2 hours. |
| 2010-10-24 10:44 PM in reply to: #3169710 |
| Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM A sub 2 Oly? elite Sure you don't mean sub 3 Oly? A sub 2 half marathon? an OK runner (said as a runner with a 1:57 half mary PB) |
| 2010-10-24 10:48 PM in reply to: #3169710 |
Pro 5361  | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM wow- this is an easy one. I'd say it's much easier to finish a HM in under 2hrs than an Oly Tri in under 2 hrs. Almost an hour easier. |
| 2010-10-24 11:06 PM in reply to: #3169710 |
Pro 6520 Bellingham, WA | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM I would say that a 2 hour HM would be a comparable accomplishment to a 3 hour oly. If one were to start from scratch I think the oly would take more doing because you would have to be somewhat proficient at all three disciplines. |
| 2010-10-24 11:37 PM in reply to: #3169710 |
Expert 1051 Bradenton, Florida | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Ok, follow-up question, what are the "standard/official" distances for an Oly? I did one today that was 1/2 mile swim, 20 mile ride & 5 mile run. Finished in 1:59:42. I am running a HM next weekend and am hoping to finish in under 2 hours also. Do you think that's realistic? |
| 2010-10-24 11:47 PM in reply to: #3169710 |
Veteran 358 Taoyuan, Taiwan | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Olympic distances are 1.5km swim, 40km bike, and 10 km run, so it sounds like you didn't do an Olympic distance race, but something shorter. |
| 2010-10-24 11:56 PM in reply to: #3169738 |
Expert 898 Plano, National Capital Region | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM cwpeters - 2010-10-24 11:37 PM Ok, follow-up question, what are the "standard/official" distances for an Oly? I did one today that was 1/2 mile swim, 20 mile ride & 5 mile run. Finished in 1:59:42. I am running a HM next weekend and am hoping to finish in under 2 hours also. Do you think that's realistic? That's a lot shorter than an Olympic: swim : you did .5 mile which is 800m. Oly swim is 1500m. bike: you did 20 mile ride - Oly distance is 25 miles run: you did 5 mile run - Oly distance is 10km which is about 6.2 mi I don't know which event you did but if they called it an Olympic distance or an International distance - it was grossly misrepresented. There is no real 'standard' for sprints but there definitely is one for Oly/International distance. To answer your question - doing a sub 2hr HM is running something like a 9:09/mile pace for 13.1 miles. That time would probably be considered pretty average. I agree that given the same relative proficiency in the 3 disciplines, That's probably about the same as a 3hr Olympic triathlon (35 min swim, 80 min bike, 60 min run plus transitions). Edited by m2tx 2010-10-25 12:01 AM |
| 2010-10-25 12:05 AM in reply to: #3169753 |
Expert 1051 Bradenton, Florida | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM m2tx - 2010-10-25 12:56 AM cwpeters - 2010-10-24 11:37 PM Ok, follow-up question, what are the "standard/official" distances for an Oly? I did one today that was 1/2 mile swim, 20 mile ride & 5 mile run. Finished in 1:59:42. I am running a HM next weekend and am hoping to finish in under 2 hours also. Do you think that's realistic? That's a lot shorter than an Olympic: swim : you did .5 mile which is 800m. Oly swim is 1500m. bike: you did 20 mile ride - Oly distance is 25 miles run: you did 5 mile run - Oly distance is 10km which is about 6.2 mi I don't know which event you did but if they called it an Olympic distance or an International distance - it was grossly misrepresented. There is no real 'standard' for sprints but there definitely is one for Oly/International distance. To answer your question - doing a sub 2hr HM is running something like a 9:09/mile pace for 13.1 miles. That time would probably be considered pretty average. I agree that given the same relative proficiency in the 3 disciplines, That's probably about the same as a 3hr Olympic triathlon (35 min swim, 80 min bike, 60 min run plus transitions). Thanks for the clarification and breakdown/projected times. The race was the Longboat Key Triathlon, a first year event with a lot to work on, including getting the distances correct. |
| 2010-10-25 6:25 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
| Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Just to pile on. I've waddled my way to a 2:03 HM time and done a couple 2:50 and 2:55 OLY times where the winners of the race did 2:15-2:20. I'm thinking that the 2 hour OLY is neigh impossible for most. |
| 2010-10-25 6:46 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
Master 2946 Centennial, CO | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Done a 1:50 HM and an 2:40 Oly. So obviously a 2hr Oly is way out of reach. I think the 3 hr Oly would be more in line. |
| 2010-10-25 7:04 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
| New user 3 | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Sub 2hr Oly would be a win overall at most races. Sub 2 hr 1/2 Marathon is a beginner goal. I've done sub 1:30 1/2 marathons, but still only about 2:15 Oly (and I'm a better biker than a runner). |
| 2010-10-25 8:07 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
Elite 3060 N Carolina | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM I'm convinced there is a mistake in the question. |
| 2010-10-25 8:15 AM in reply to: #3169738 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM cwpeters - 2010-10-24 11:37 PM Ok, follow-up question, what are the "standard/official" distances for an Oly? I did one today that was 1/2 mile swim, 20 mile ride & 5 mile run. Finished in 1:59:42. I am running a HM next weekend and am hoping to finish in under 2 hours also. Do you think that's realistic? The Olympic distance is 1.5Kswim, 40K bike, 10K run. All others are not Olympic distance. As far as realistic, comparing the Oly vs running can be very misleading. It is much easier to estimate this with pure running, do you have any open road races results? |
| 2010-10-25 8:23 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM BTW my guess would be a sub 2hr Oly would be equivalent with a ~1:15-1:20hr Half Marathon, IMO of course... Edited by JorgeM 2010-10-25 8:32 AM |
| 2010-10-25 8:36 AM in reply to: #3169957 |
| New user 3 | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM JorgeM - 2010-10-25 9:23 AM BTW my guess would be a sub 2hr Oly would be equivalent with a ~1:15-1:20hr Half Marathon, IMO of course... I don't think that's true... Though I guess a the same person wouldn't be doing both those things. I'd say it's closer to 1:10 HM. |
| 2010-10-25 8:41 AM in reply to: #3169985 |
Elite 4235 Spring, TX | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM mrtrik - 2010-10-25 8:36 AM JorgeM - 2010-10-25 9:23 AM BTW my guess would be a sub 2hr Oly would be equivalent with a ~1:15-1:20hr Half Marathon, IMO of course... I don't think that's true... Though I guess a the same person wouldn't be doing both those things. I'd say it's closer to 1:10 HM. Splitting hairs there. Whether its 70min or 75 min, it's still in that range for comparisons. For the OP. I can run well under 2hrs for 13.1 miles on an easy training run and there is no way I could come close to a 2hr Oly even on my best day. It's also very dependant on the individual. Even a faster pace on a run race will be easier for some folks than a slower triathlon simply because of the fact that you have to swim! |
| 2010-10-25 11:04 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
| Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM I've done each distance once...a 1:56 HM, and a 2:33 Oly. Trying to do a 1:50 HM in two weeks...and hoping to go ~2:20 in the next Oly I do next year. Yes...running is not a strong point for me. |
| 2010-10-25 11:08 AM in reply to: #3170458 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM I'm another vote what everyone else is saying... I knocked out several sub 2hr HM's, but no where close to a 2hr Oly. 2:30, sure. Just like a previous poster, 3hr Oly = 2hr HM, in effort, IMO. |
| 2010-10-25 11:35 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM I'd say just the run speed needed to do a sub-2 Oly is way more selective than that needed for a sub-2 half marathon. |
| 2010-10-25 11:36 AM in reply to: #3169738 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM cwpeters - 2010-10-25 12:37 AM Ok, follow-up question, what are the "standard/official" distances for an Oly? I did one today that was 1/2 mile swim, 20 mile ride & 5 mile run. Finished in 1:59:42. I am running a HM next weekend and am hoping to finish in under 2 hours also. Do you think that's realistic? I don't think anyone actually said this, but the race you did is considered a sprint distance. A sub-2 hour Oly is considered by most people to be an elite performance, but a sub-2 HM is very achievable for the average AGer. |
| 2010-10-25 12:31 PM in reply to: #3169985 |
New user 159 | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM mrtrik - 2010-10-25 8:36 AM JorgeM - 2010-10-25 9:23 AM BTW my guess would be a sub 2hr Oly would be equivalent with a ~1:15-1:20hr Half Marathon, IMO of course... I don't think that's true... Though I guess a the same person wouldn't be doing both those things. I'd say it's closer to 1:10 HM. A 1:10 half marathon is way, way more difficult to achieve than a 1:59:59 Olympic distance tri and it's not close. A 1:10 half is the equivalent of ~31:30 for an open 10K, which is getting well into pro-caliber run speed by triathlon standards. If a guy with that kind of run speed is even a reasonably competent swimmer, he's going under 2 hours for an Oly by a large margin on his worst day. If you took a poll of amateurs with ~1:59 Oly PR's, I'd be willing to bet the center of the bell curve for their half marathon PR's would be right around 1:18 or so. |
| 2010-10-25 10:31 PM in reply to: #3169710 |
| New user 403 | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Hands down, sub 2 hr Oly. Like others have said. This from someone who ran 1:46 HM and best a 2:24 in an Oly. The Oly kicked me. |
| 2010-10-25 10:54 PM in reply to: #3169710 |
Expert 1706 NoVA | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Ok to also put it in tri terms---there are many here that run sub-2hr for the HM of a HIM and most of them don't have sub 2hr Olys on their resume... I know I can go well under 2hr for the HM of a HIM and while I haven't done an Oly I know it wouldn't be sub-2 |
| 2010-10-26 5:51 AM in reply to: #3170720 |
Expert 1123 Falls Church, VA | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Giant Tortoise - 2010-10-25 1:31 PM mrtrik - 2010-10-25 8:36 AM JorgeM - 2010-10-25 9:23 AM BTW my guess would be a sub 2hr Oly would be equivalent with a ~1:15-1:20hr Half Marathon, IMO of course... I don't think that's true... Though I guess a the same person wouldn't be doing both those things. I'd say it's closer to 1:10 HM. A 1:10 half marathon is way, way more difficult to achieve than a 1:59:59 Olympic distance tri and it's not close. A 1:10 half is the equivalent of ~31:30 for an open 10K, which is getting well into pro-caliber run speed by triathlon standards. If a guy with that kind of run speed is even a reasonably competent swimmer, he's going under 2 hours for an Oly by a large margin on his worst day. If you took a poll of amateurs with ~1:59 Oly PR's, I'd be willing to bet the center of the bell curve for their half marathon PR's would be right around 1:18 or so. a quick review of some local races shows that in each race, (the OLY distance race and the HM), only two finishers in each race either beat 2 for the OLY, or 70 minutes for the HM. Unscientific to say the least, but both races had roughly 800 racers, so the ones finishing with those times for these two particular races from the relatively similar population. The only ones in the tri to finish below 2:07 were registered as ELITE. A sub 2:00 OLY is quite an accomplishment, on par with a low 70 minute HM. |
| 2010-10-26 6:28 AM in reply to: #3169710 |
Champion 5868 Urbandale, IA | Subject: RE: Tougher Time - Sub 2 hour Oly vs. HM Just to put a frame of reference on it for the OP. This years Hy-Vee Triathlon ITU event results (draft legal): Top Male - Tim Don finished at 1:50:20 Top Female - Emma Snowsill finished at 1:59:35 It was a relatively warm and calm afternoon. These are Olympic claiber professionals. They alspo get a break on the bike becasue they can draft. The bike splits were in the 58:45 area for men (25.53 mph) and the women in the 1:03:xx range (23.81 mph). This was a mostly flat course with a small hillat about the 2/3 mark on 8 loops. TOP AG men were just in at 2 hours (different course and no drafting). |
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