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 2005-08-08 1:38 PM |
Extreme Veteran  604   Northwest Ohio |  Subject: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-existI was traveling on Friday and Saturday and missed out on all the debate. I was reading the thread last night and wanted to add to it, but decided to start another one. I have a story that I want to share: Many years ago, when I was about 20 years old, I was teaching a 6th grade Sunday School class. There was one boy in the class who was a real Poindexter and only came because his parents forced him to come. He would sit off by himself and read thick highschool textbooks and push his glasses up his nose, and I just let him be. He never participated in our class discussion. Well, one Sunday, we were talking about the creation, and all of a sudden this boy looked up and started pounding the top of his big book with his fist and shouting, "I am a scientist! I need scientific proof! I don't believe any of this!" Well, like I said, I was only 20 and pretty immature in my own faith at the time, and I didn't know how to react to this kid. So I went home and called up my old high school biology teacher and asked him what he thought. I said, "Obviously, I know you're a scientist, but I also know that you are a Christian. How do you reconcile the two points of view?" He agreed to come speak to my SS class the next Sunday. Basically, he said that there are "holes" in both theories, but actually there are enough similarities that they can co-exist. Look at Genesis and follow the "order" in which God created things. First there was nothing and then there was something (the "Big Bang Theory"??). Then He separated the land from the water. Then He created the fish and the birds. Then He created the animals of the land. Finally, He created man. I believe evolutionists believe in the same order of creation, don't they? And as far as the timeline goes---yes, the Bible says that it took 6 days to do all of that. But how long was a day? 24 hours? I doubt it. 10 million years? Maybe. I don't know. I just believe that it's possible to be a thoughtful, intelligent person, and still believe that a divine creator put us all here. Michele |
| 2005-08-08 1:45 PM in reply to: #219531 |
Extreme Veteran 573 IL | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist I'm not one to belittle anyone's belief, faith, or point of view but as an athiest I just can't buy into creationism. To each thier own I guess. |
| 2005-08-08 2:14 PM in reply to: #219531 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist Replace God with Thor, Zeus, or Ra. Religions are like flavors of the millenium. While they all try to explain the unknown, the fact remains, it is still unknown... A leap of faith can't change that. Science is open enough to where people say "I don't know". We have theories in science while religion lays it out as fact. That's where the problem is for me. |
| 2005-08-08 2:49 PM in reply to: #219585 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist Darn, I'm on vacation so I can't really jump into this one. But I'll add this. I've been reading Pope Benedict's "An introduction to Christianity". He wrote it in 1968. In one section that deals with the nature of God as that which is complete unity, he brings up the discoveries in quantum physics that since 1968 have led to string theory: the notion that there is really no such thing as matter, that everything is a vibration with a particular frequency. He goes on to use that discovery in physics to further his theological treatment of the nature of God. It's interesting because I'm not sure where string theory was at in its development in 1968. But it almost seems like Pope Benedict's theological proposal was a step ahead of developments in physics. Perhaps, his proposals predicted the truth that physics would later discover. Anybody know the history of string theory over the past forty years? |
| 2005-08-08 3:11 PM in reply to: #219585 |
| Veteran 282 Chula Vista, Ca | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist ChuckyFinster - 2005-08-08 2:14 PM Replace God with Thor, Zeus, or Ra. Religions are like flavors of the millenium. While they all try to explain the unknown, the fact remains, it is still unknown... A leap of faith can't change that. Science is open enough to where people say "I don't know". We have theories in science while religion lays it out as fact. That's where the problem is for me. I agree there there so many unknowns. Since I only have experience with Christians, I would have to say most of us would say "I don't know" to quite a bit of things when comes to what we believe the Bible teaches. Which of course would include creationism. I stayed out of the last discussion due to the fact that there are so many things "I don't know". Plus over the years I have found that most debates never change anyones mind. Be it Creation vs Evolution, Conservative vs Democrat, or to shave or not to shave. Time and experience is what seems to make the most changes in one's beliefs. The great thing about this debate is that we will all get a answer eventually. Being 46, it will probably come sooner for me than most here. We all find out which belief is correct or if all them are correct. We will find out if there is a God or not. |
 2005-08-08 3:20 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Subject: ... This user's post has been ignored. Edited by JeepFleeb 2005-08-08 3:31 PM |
| 2005-08-08 3:49 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Member 96 Tucson | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist I think the question is not if they can co-exist but if creationisim should be taught in grade school science classes. I see creationisim as a religous belief not a scientific one and therefore does not belong in science class. To force your religous beliefs on anyone is wrong IMHO. |
| 2005-08-08 3:50 PM in reply to: #219705 |
| Extreme Veteran 573 IL | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist trifan76 - 2005-08-08 3:49 PM I think the question is not if they can co-exist but if creationisim should be taught in grade school science classes. I see creationisim as a religous belief not a scientific one and therefore does not belong in science class. To force your religous beliefs on anyone is wrong IMHO. I will agree with this 100%. |
| 2005-08-08 4:44 PM in reply to: #219531 |
COURT JESTER 12230 ROCKFORD, IL | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist God created us in his image vs. We evolved from apes.....How about... God created us in his image and THEN we evolved. Therefore God looks like an ape. That should rile both sides up a bit. (not the sarcasm of it all people) |
| 2005-08-08 4:53 PM in reply to: #219531 |
Expert 1065 Montreal | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist Umm - which story in Genesis? The Gods held council version? Created he them version? Created Adam then Eve from Adam version? Or just the version that the President wants taught? On so many levels this is unimportant since there are plenty of people out there willing to blow you up for being an atheist or a Christian I'm not sure the infighting helps. |
| 2005-08-08 10:41 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Extreme Veteran 604 Northwest Ohio | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist So what do you call an agnostic dyslexic insomniac? Someone who lies awake at night wondering if there is a dog..... |
| 2005-08-09 1:07 AM in reply to: #219531 |
| Supersonicus Idioticus 2439 Thunder Bay, ON | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist Science vs. God?? One explains What it is, the other explains Why. I think that perspective is good and simpler. |
| 2005-08-09 7:12 AM in reply to: #219531 |
| Veteran 129 | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist They can co-exist in a school with creationism in literature of comparitive religion class but not a science class because it's not science. On top of that the conclussion of the ID argument contradicts the premise of the argument, or really a circular argument. |
| 2005-08-09 12:15 PM in reply to: #219665 |
| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist JeepFleeb - 2005-08-08 3:20 PM Oh, found a timeline of string theory and some of the mathematics behind where we stand in theoretical physics today. Very cool. Thanks! |
| 2005-08-09 12:51 PM in reply to: #219538 |
| Veteran 298 San mateo | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist dibujob - 2005-08-08 1:45 PM I'm not one to belittle anyone's belief, faith, or point of view but as an athiest I just can't buy into creationism. To each thier own I guess. You are right, to each his own, as a christian I can't buy into evolution. There is no "proof"; there is plenty of theory, yeah, but not proof...Sorry |
| 2005-08-09 1:01 PM in reply to: #220687 |
| COURT JESTER 12230 ROCKFORD, IL | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist nj newbie! - 2005-08-09 11:51 AM . You are right, to each his own, as a christian I can't buy into evolution. There is no "proof"; there is plenty of theory, yeah, but not proof...SorryOh let me stir this pot. Show me "proof" of creation, other than what was written by people thousands of years ago. We didn't live then and don't know if they were writing this wonderful tail of people living for hundreds of year and having hundreds of children. I do have FAITH and also a hard time believing people lived for hundreds of years as the story goes. Perhaps not a matter of PROOF as it is a matter of FAITH. Do you put your FAITH in the religion boat or the scientific boat?? |
| 2005-08-09 1:05 PM in reply to: #220687 |
| Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist nj newbie! - 2005-08-09 1:51 PM dibujob - 2005-08-08 1:45 PM I'm not one to belittle anyone's belief, faith, or point of view but as an athiest I just can't buy into creationism. To each thier own I guess. You are right, to each his own, as a christian I can't buy into evolution. There is no "proof"; there is plenty of theory, yeah, but not proof...SorryYou need to look up the definition of the word "theory" as it's used in science. Sorry. |
| 2005-08-09 1:06 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Extreme Veteran 457 Eagleville, | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist Not that I want to thro more onto this fire, but I have always loved the explanation I got in college from my intro to anthropology class. She put it as: "Evolution is how, God is why." In this theory God used evolution to create things. Or you can look at it from the evolution angle as; God was the event that caused the mutation that evolution needed. |
| 2005-08-09 1:35 PM in reply to: #220704 |
| Member 96 Tucson | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist Oh let me stir this pot. Show me "proof" of creation, other than what was written by people thousands of years ago. We didn't live then and don't know if they were writing this wonderful tail of people living for hundreds of year and having hundreds of children. I do have FAITH and also a hard time believing people lived for hundreds of years as the story goes. Perhaps not a matter of PROOF as it is a matter of FAITH. Do you put your FAITH in the religion boat or the scientific boat?? I can't agree with you more. For thousands of years we relied on oral tradition to pass along stories. It's kind of like playing telephone. How much did the story change over the thousands of years and are you willing to put your faith in these stories? Edited by trifan76 2005-08-09 1:35 PM |
| 2005-08-09 2:02 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Extreme Veteran 604 Northwest Ohio | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist I remember asking my mom how someone could live to be 800 years old, or like Noah was 500 or something like that. Her answer was that they didn't count years the same as we did back then, which makes sense since the Roman calendar we use now is fairly recent in terms of world history. However, not to start quoting scripture, if you look in Genesis 6, (the beginning of the Noah story) God basically said that he's sick and tired of the man that he created and that his years would be limited to 120. After that, you don't read any more about people living hundreds of years. |
| 2005-08-09 2:04 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Extreme Veteran 573 IL | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist Except for Keith Richards. That guy is going to live forever, I'm convinced. He hasn't aged in like 20 years. |
| 2005-08-09 2:06 PM in reply to: #220797 |
| Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist dibujob - 2005-08-09 3:04 PM Except for Keith Richards. That guy is going to live forever, I'm convinced. He hasn't aged in like 20 years. He looked 90 when he was 30 and has been holding steady ever since. |
| 2005-08-09 2:11 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Member 96 Tucson | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist |
| 2005-08-09 2:32 PM in reply to: #219531 |
| Extreme Veteran 604 Northwest Ohio | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist The guy who created Darwin told them |
| 2005-08-09 2:34 PM in reply to: #220704 |
| Veteran 298 San mateo | Subject: RE: Creationism and Evolution Can Co-exist tupuppy - 2005-08-09 1:01 PM nj newbie! - 2005-08-09 11:51 AM . You are right, to each his own, as a christian I can't buy into evolution. There is no "proof"; there is plenty of theory, yeah, but not proof...SorryOh let me stir this pot. Show me "proof" of creation, other than what was written by people thousands of years ago. We didn't live then and don't know if they were writing this wonderful tail of people living for hundreds of year and having hundreds of children. I do have FAITH and also a hard time believing people lived for hundreds of years as the story goes. Perhaps not a matter of PROOF as it is a matter of FAITH. Do you put your FAITH in the religion boat or the scientific boat?? tupuppy, I never claimed I could PROOF creationism, I admit it requires faith to believe in it....however it also requires FAITH to chose to believe in evolution. Show me REAL proof of evolution, you know the type that does not require speculation. I have yet to hear or read or find any. Anyway, I don't want to upset anyone, really. It's just that when it comes to "discusing" creationism vs. creation it usually turns into people infering that those of us who CHOSE to believe in creationism and NOT evolution are stupid or unscientific or irrational or believe a farytail. It is hard NOT to get offended by it, especially when evolution is NOT a HARD FACT! (my spelling is really bad  )Edited by nj newbie! 2005-08-09 2:35 PM |
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