Chocolate milk vs Endurox
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2005-08-19 8:39 AM |
Veteran 118 Roseville, California | Subject: Chocolate milk vs Endurox http://walking.about.com/od/fluids/a/recoverydrink.htm Interesting, eh? I'd like to see the actual publication. |
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2005-08-19 8:46 AM in reply to: #228751 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox |
2005-08-19 8:55 AM in reply to: #228762 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox the bear - 2005-08-19 9:46 AM Abstract: Key sentence in said abstract: Supported, in part, by a grant from the Dairy and Nutrition Council, Inc. I point this out not to question the author's integrity, but because after a year of using and immensely enjoying chocolate milk as my recovery drink, I finally bit the bullet yesterday and parted with some of my beloved cash for a jar of LemonLime Endurox which I found out this morning tastes like a lemon that's been soaked in Windex. |
2005-08-19 8:59 AM in reply to: #228751 |
Pro 3883 Woodstock,GA | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox While attending the USAT coaching seminar last year we had a guest speaker by the name of Jennifer Hutchison who is a Registered Dietician and a contributing writer to Ironmanlive.com as well as a 9 (at the time) time IM finisher and a USAT Level II coach. She told us that chocolate milk provided all the recovery nutrients that you need for recovery. I use it and it works well and is a whole lot cheaper than Endurox (tastes better too) |
2005-08-19 9:06 AM in reply to: #228773 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox marmadaddy - 2005-08-19 7:55 AM Key sentence in said abstract: Supported, in part, by a grant from the Dairy and Nutrition Council, Inc. Yet Endurox users put their faith in research conducted by the company? I point this out not to question the author's integrity, but because after a year of using and immensely enjoying chocolate milk as my recovery drink, I finally bit the bullet yesterday and parted with some of my beloved cash for a jar of LemonLime Endurox which I found out this morning tastes like a lemon that's been soaked in Windex. I'm ordering some next time I place an order with performance, just because so many people here swear by it, it's worth $25 for 28 servings to do my own "research." Not sure about the "lemon that's been soaked in Windex" flavor, though, does someone have a better recommendation. Edited by the bear 2005-08-19 9:06 AM |
2005-08-19 9:11 AM in reply to: #228751 |
Master 2136 A Prairie Home | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox I suppose Endurox is like gatorade - water based and fruity flavored, which is still palatable in room temperature. Can't say the same with choco-milk though. (Corrected by BT-ers who have actually tried Endurox. The comparison between Endurox and Gatorade is not a valid one and I will NEVER paid $30 for windex soaked lemon water. eww) Looks like in addition to Chipotle, we need DQ (for the milk shake) at the finish line to provide us with recovery drink and grub. (Oops.. I made this into a Chipotle thread. Don't let 3558 see this.) Edited by Denise2003 2005-08-19 9:40 AM |
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2005-08-19 9:14 AM in reply to: #228751 |
Pro 3883 Woodstock,GA | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox Endurox tastes like @ss.......kind of like a baby asprin ground up. Chocolate milk should only be used as a recovery drink in the privacy of your own home!!!!! |
2005-08-19 9:19 AM in reply to: #228789 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox Rocket Man - 2005-08-19 9:14 AM Endurox tastes like @ss.......kind of like a baby asprin ground up. Chocolate milk should only be used as a recovery drink in the privacy of your own home!!!!! I thought of it more of a bile taste actually the first few times. Now ice cubes and not breathing in when I take it help. It does seem to help recovery for the next day. Might try the chocolate milk thing too just for kicks. |
2005-08-19 9:23 AM in reply to: #228751 |
Pro 3906 Libertyville, IL | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox I wonder where chocolate stouts fit into this equation.... |
2005-08-19 9:23 AM in reply to: #228781 |
Expert 767 Littleton, Colorado | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox the bear - 2005-08-19 7:06 AM I'm ordering some next time I place an order with performance, just because so many people here swear by it, it's worth $25 for 28 servings to do my own "research." Not sure about the "lemon that's been soaked in Windex" flavor, though, does someone have a better recommendation. The Tangy Orange is better...sort of like an Orange Julius. |
2005-08-19 9:25 AM in reply to: #228781 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox the bear - 2005-08-19 10:06 AM Yet Endurox users put their faith in research conducted by the company? Yes, if they just paid $30 for a jar of something that's barely palatable a few hours before finding out it may be just as effective as the delicious stuff they were using that costs a little over $2 a gallon. And I will continue to believe this until the $30 jar is gone, at which time my opinion of the research may change, or I until decide that the stuff really does work better. |
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2005-08-19 9:39 AM in reply to: #228751 |
Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox I have used both beverages as recovery drinks. I purposefully did this in the course of training for my first marathon this winter. I was attempting a very unscientific and subjective study of how this recovery variable affected a very small population (namely me). I used Nestles Quick fat-free chocolate milk and Orange Endurox. I alternated with using them after my long runs (anything over 90 minutes). They both seemed to help with the recovery process. The chocolate milk was a good bit more food-like and filling, and the Endurox was lighter. I think that, for me, the Endurox seemed to "take hold" a little sooner than the chocolate milk and I started to feel better sooner. I think some of this may be due to the differences in sugar content/configuration between the two. The chocolate milk worked too, but I did not feel the boost as quickly or as definately. I found that the best way to drink the endurox was to put the powder and water in a liter nalgene bottle with a lot of ice and shake the bejezzus out of it (think rabid cocktail shaker) this made a nice foam on top, and chilled it quickly. The chocolate milk was best consumed as part of a mudslide (jk) |
2005-08-19 11:21 AM in reply to: #228751 |
Master 1359 South of SLC | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox I choked down Endurox until my canister was empty. I really did not like the taste and won't try any other flavors either because of my first experience. I have the same experience with Endurathon and Cytomax. If I mix a scopp of Endurathon and Cytomax with a scoop of Gatoraide, I can stomach either one during my workouts. For recovery, I have used chocolate milk, V-8, banana milk (a banana blended up into milk) strawberry milk (same) and just plain water. I have come to the conclusion that I can drink plain water and just eat a couple hundred calories of carbs and protein and get similar results. Currently after either my p.m. workout or a heavy workout I am downing a V-8 post workout because of the sodium and eating a couple of pieces of string cheese. When I have time, I will eat a full meal after my workout. Most of the time, this will eliminate the immediate desire I have for a nap and delay that until my son goes down for his. That way, I can keep mama happy! Mike |
2005-08-19 12:03 PM in reply to: #228751 |
Expert 1013 White House, TN | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox Chocolate milk? Really? Huh. Now, when I look dorky in the checkout line, my excuse is: "I'm a recovering triathlete!" |
2005-08-19 12:20 PM in reply to: #228751 |
Extreme Veteran 323 Kochi, Japan | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox My favorite recovery drink (after a long workout or between two in a day) is a large cup of lowfat milk with a little sugar and a small scoop of protein powder mixed in. Works wonders and is easy on the wallet. many triathletes like to spend thier $ on the fancy s#!T, and it may be just as good, but hard work is definitely less expensive. |
2005-08-19 12:53 PM in reply to: #229017 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox Here is Brian's response. This is not a new debate. http://personalbestnutrition.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=news;... As to VonHolt's comment "many triathletes like to spend thier $ on the fancy s#!T". I think that his observation is not applicable in this instance. I'd like to be an elite athlete in a couple of years so I'll do what those that are successful in those ranks are doing. Do I need aerobars? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a trisuit? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a wetsuit? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a coach? No, does it help? Yes So you have to ask yourself how serious you are about the sport. If you are an age grouper that is just trying to have some fun, drink the chocolate milk and don't sweat it. If you want more out of yourself and the sport, I'd encourage you to do everything that you can that will make you better. If you can't swallow it without cringing from the taste, then the product isn't for you. If you have taken it and don't notice a tangible benefit, then don't take it. What I have found is that I recover much quicker than I did before I took it. It was an obvious decision for me. I don't mind the flavor (tangy orange) and I look forward to taking it after a good hard workout. My son on the other hand thinks it's swill. Give it a chance and make up your own minds. |
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2005-08-19 12:59 PM in reply to: #229051 |
Champion 11641 Fairport, NY | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox ChuckyFinster - 2005-08-19 1:53 PM Here is Brian's response. This is not a new debate. http://personalbestnutrition.com/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi?board=news;... As to VonHolt's comment "many triathletes like to spend thier $ on the fancy s#!T". I think that his observation is not applicable in this instance. I'd like to be an elite athlete in a couple of years so I'll do what those that are successful in those ranks are doing. Do I need aerobars? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a trisuit? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a wetsuit? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a coach? No, does it help? Yes So you have to ask yourself how serious you are about the sport. If you are an age grouper that is just trying to have some fun, drink the chocolate milk and don't sweat it. If you want more out of yourself and the sport, I'd encourage you to do everything that you can that will make you better. If you can't swallow it without cringing from the taste, then the product isn't for you. If you have taken it and don't notice a tangible benefit, then don't take it. What I have found is that I recover much quicker than I did before I took it. It was an obvious decision for me. I don't mind the flavor (tangy orange) and I look forward to taking it after a good hard workout. My son on the other hand thinks it's swill. Give it a chance and make up your own minds. Chris, That is an extremely well thought out, and succinctly stated response to the issue at hand. It's rational, reasonable, and is very good advice for just about anyone interested in the topic. This, however is an internet forum, so your post clearly has no business here. Cut it out. |
2005-08-19 1:08 PM in reply to: #229056 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox |
2005-08-19 1:18 PM in reply to: #229051 |
Extreme Veteran 323 Kochi, Japan | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox ChuckyFinster - 2005-08-19 12:53 PM As to VonHolt's comment "many triathletes like to spend thier $ on the fancy s#!T". I think that his observation is not applicable in this instance. I'd like to be an elite athlete in a couple of years so I'll do what those that are successful in those ranks are doing. Do I need aerobars? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a trisuit? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a wetsuit? No, does it help? Yes Do I need a coach? No, does it help? Yes So you have to ask yourself how serious you are about the sport. If you are an age grouper that is just trying to have some fun, drink the chocolate milk and don't sweat it. If you want more out of yourself and the sport, I'd encourage you to do everything that you can that will make you better. I agree that the formulated recovery drinks are probably more effective that my "homebrew". However, the biggest factor keeping me from competing on the elite level is not my recovery drink, but the fact that I can`t run! Do I need a coach-No. Does it help-Yes. What about an online coach?- it`s less expensive and I will probabaly still see gains (although not as great as a personal coach). The same can be said for an inferior bike, aerobars, wetsuit, etc. I agree that money is well spent in this sport if you are training to your full potential (and very few of us are), but the bottom line is nobody becomes a great triathlete without putting the time and effort in. If you want to realize your full potential put the time/miles in. It will do much more than drinking the "perfect" recovery drink after your wokouts. Have the cash? Go for it. Tri`ing on a budget- HOMEBREW BABY!!!!! Editied to add: just read Brians comment, my drink does contain an extra protein source. Edited by vonholt 2005-08-19 1:24 PM |
2005-08-19 1:33 PM in reply to: #229072 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox vonholt - 2005-08-19 10:18 AM I agree that the formulated recovery drinks are probably more effective that my "homebrew". However, the biggest factor keeping me from competing on the elite level is not my recovery drink, but the fact that I can`t run! Do I need a coach-No. Does it help-Yes. What about an online coach?- it`s less expensive and I will probabaly still see gains (although not as great as a personal coach). The same can be said for an inferior bike, aerobars, wetsuit, etc. I agree that money is well spent in this sport if you are training to your full potential (and very few of us are), but the bottom line is nobody becomes a great triathlete without putting the time and effort in. If you want to realize your full potential put the time/miles in. It will do much more than drinking the "perfect" recovery drink after your wokouts. Have the cash? Go for it. Tri`ing on a budget- HOMEBREW BABY!!!!! Editied to add: just read Brians comment, my drink does contain an extra protein source. I wasn't trying to put you on the defensive, just trying to tell folks to give it a whirl and make up their own mind. Happy training! |
2005-08-19 1:34 PM in reply to: #228751 |
Veteran 169 Derry, NH | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox Just crack open a can of beans :P YUM |
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2005-08-19 1:35 PM in reply to: #229088 |
Master 1359 South of SLC | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox ChuckyFinster - 2005-08-19 11:33 AM vonholt - 2005-08-19 10:18 AM I agree that the formulated recovery drinks are probably more effective that my "homebrew". However, the biggest factor keeping me from competing on the elite level is not my recovery drink, but the fact that I can`t run! Do I need a coach-No. Does it help-Yes. What about an online coach?- it`s less expensive and I will probabaly still see gains (although not as great as a personal coach). The same can be said for an inferior bike, aerobars, wetsuit, etc. I agree that money is well spent in this sport if you are training to your full potential (and very few of us are), but the bottom line is nobody becomes a great triathlete without putting the time and effort in. If you want to realize your full potential put the time/miles in. It will do much more than drinking the "perfect" recovery drink after your wokouts. Have the cash? Go for it. Tri`ing on a budget- HOMEBREW BABY!!!!! Editied to add: just read Brians comment, my drink does contain an extra protein source. I wasn't trying to put you on the defensive, just trying to tell folks to give it a whirl and make up their own mind. Happy training! Chucky -- what type of elite athlete are you trying to become? Mike Edited by Rollin' Thunder 2005-08-19 1:46 PM |
2005-08-19 1:41 PM in reply to: #229088 |
Extreme Veteran 323 Kochi, Japan | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox I wasn't trying to put you on the defensive, just trying to tell folks to give it a whirl and make up their own mind. Happy training! Word. I agree 100%. edited: Besides, it`s hard to be on the defensive when you`re only wearing a speedo, I need a shield or some body armor or something. Good thing darth tater is gone. Edited by vonholt 2005-08-19 1:43 PM |
2005-08-19 4:25 PM in reply to: #229092 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox Rollin' Thunder - 2005-08-19 10:35 AM Chucky -- what type of elite athlete are you trying to become? Mike Why a triathlete of course |
2005-08-19 4:31 PM in reply to: #229257 |
Master 1359 South of SLC | Subject: RE: Chocolate milk vs Endurox ChuckyFinster - 2005-08-19 2:25 PM Rollin' Thunder - 2005-08-19 10:35 AM Chucky -- what type of elite athlete are you trying to become? Mike Why a triathlete of course I was just wondering as there are other people here who are very good athletes in other sports (think PirateGirl) who use tris as mostly conditioning. I just wondered what your sport of choice was. Mike |
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