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2011-08-17 9:48 AM

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Subject: $3000 to spend, which bike?
I know this has been posted before, but of the 20011s, fit being equal, which is the best bang for ny buck. Looking at Cervelo P2, Trek SC, Felt, Kestrel. All 4 brands at 4 different shops, where do I start?


2011-08-17 9:50 AM
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Go get a fitting. The one that fits you best is the best bang for the buck. The more you have to alter a bike to fit you the less likely it's the right bike for you.

2011-08-17 10:15 AM
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Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike?
in a perfect world where fit is indeed equal... the Trek (I assume 7 series) with an intelligent basebar/aerobars on the front.
2011-08-17 10:20 AM
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I bought a Trek SC 7.5 and love it, great fit and comfy bike...but you should get fitted on all the bikes mentioned and see which one you llike the best...
2011-08-17 10:21 AM
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In my very limited experience fit is not equal.  Get a bike that fits you without too much modification.  When you start to change things on the bike to make it fit you better then you change the benefits that the bike has to offer.  At least that's how I understand it.  Good luck.  They all seem like great bikes.  
2011-08-17 10:22 AM
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Obviously, fit matters.  That being said, if the P2 fits, that's a lot of bike for the money.


2011-08-17 10:30 AM
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Take 2 to 3 hundred of that 3 grand and get a fitting first.  The output of that will thin the herd of options in a very objective manner.
2011-08-17 11:12 AM
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is this how you vent about what happened at SH?  LOL  Enjoy your new toy! 

 

 

 

 

2011-08-17 11:29 AM
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Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike?
In my eyes, all else being equal, Felt is the best bang for buck.  Just my opinion though...
2011-08-17 12:02 PM
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DanielG - 2011-08-17 10:50 AM Go get a fitting. The one that fits you best is the best bang for the buck. The more you have to alter a bike to fit you the less likely it's the right bike for you.

^^^^^!!!!!!!

Tri bikes vary a lot in geometry so all else is NEVER equal when it comes to fit.  And good fit is EVERYTHING.  As was said, changing stems,etc. too much can alter bike's character (rider's weight distribution/handling/ride,etc.).   And it can cost $$$$ to change out a tri bike's stock base/aerobar set up.

IMHO- Posting a "which bike is better" question on a forum is no way to decide how to spend three large on a new ride.  Any of the bikes mentioned by OP could be a great buy or wasted $$$$ depending on specific rider.



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2011-08-17 12:04 PM
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$3000 is a fair bit of money (at least to most of us), so I would make certain that I get the best bang for my buck. That will always be the bike that fits YOU, so take the advise of mktoson and spend a couple of $100 on a bike fit and THEN buy the bike that fits you, instead of trying to fit you to the bike.

You can buy the most aerodynamic bike ever made, but unless you fit well, it's going to do very little for you. The vast majority of the drag comes from the rider, then combine that fact with the notion that you need a balance between comfort, power and aerodynamics to be really efficient and then the $2-300 looks like money well spent.

Never buy a bike based on the brand alone (known brand names does offer a certain sense of buyers comfort though in that most likely they will be around for many years to come and they will take care of any issues that may arise), but fit first and foremost


2011-08-17 12:05 PM
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I'll echo the comments about fit.  When I set out to buy my TT/Tri bike, I narrowed down the list and Specialized wasn't on it.  I made an appointment with a very good local fitter.  He tried me on a few bikes and then suggested I try the Specialized Transition.  For various reasons (not important to the story), I was not interested in the Specialized, but as soon as I got on the bike, I knew it was the ride for me.  The frame geometry fit me better than any of the other bikes.  So, I also suggest you go see a good fitter and get her/his opinion on the right frame for you.  And, don't rule out the Specialized Transition.  In my opinion, it's a great, fast, comfortable ride.  

2011-08-17 12:21 PM
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Meh....I think fit is a little overrated....just make sure you get the right SIZE bike. Different manufacturers have different ways of sizing a bike, so a 56 of one type may or may not be the same as a 56 of another....some even use S, M & L...etc.

Just make sure the size is correct so you can get the touch points in the right spot with the least amount of spacers. After that, the bike is almost infinitely adjustable within the realm of sane touch points for you. So you will be able to change your fit within that realm anytime you want. If you get a bike that is too big or too small...you may get stuck in one direction where the bike no longer becomes adjustable.

Having said that....I would go P2 which will leave a few hundred left over.

ETA: All the bikes you mentioned, in the right size, will be able to "fit" you correctly with the right adjustments....



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2011-08-17 12:58 PM
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Fastyellow - 2011-08-17 12:21 PM

Meh....I think fit is a little overrated....just make sure you get the right SIZE bike. 

Just make sure the size is correct so you can get the touch points in the right spot with the least amount of spacers. After that, the bike is almost infinitely adjustable within the realm of sane touch points for you. So you will be able to change your fit within that realm anytime you want. 

 Pretty much this.

You can make any bike in the right size fit you and, conversely and most importantly, fit your position to any bike.  It's not like you will make the soundest judgment of what's comfortable and powerful your first time riding the bike... it takes a lot of miles to adapt and tweak your position.  

2011-08-17 1:02 PM
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So if each of 4 different LBSs has one of the brands listed, do I need to get a "fit" at each.
2011-08-17 1:04 PM
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leftrunner - 2011-08-17 2:02 PM

So if each of 4 different LBSs has one of the brands listed, do I need to get a "fit" at each.


No, find a place that does fittings. It may or may not be any of those four places. I would seriously look at finding a tri store that sells a handful of bike types so they're not trying to push you to what they have in stock only even if you have to drive a bit to get there.





2011-08-17 1:42 PM
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$3000 is a lot of money.  My advice is to budget the money the following way.

$250 for a fit
$500 for a used wireless powertap rear training wheel
$100 for a disc cover on above wheel
$500 for a used deep aero front
$100 for an aero helmet

That leaves you with about $1500.  If you want something brand new, go for something like the Cervelo P1.  If not, you can likely get a used P2 or similar used carbon tri bike for around $1500.

That will be your best bang for your buck.

2011-08-17 3:17 PM
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charmander - 2011-08-17 1:58 PM

Fastyellow - 2011-08-17 12:21 PM

Meh....I think fit is a little overrated....just make sure you get the right SIZE bike. 

Just make sure the size is correct so you can get the touch points in the right spot with the least amount of spacers. After that, the bike is almost infinitely adjustable within the realm of sane touch points for you. So you will be able to change your fit within that realm anytime you want. 

 Pretty much this.

You can make any bike in the right size fit you and, conversely and most importantly, fit your position to any bike.  It's not like you will make the soundest judgment of what's comfortable and powerful your first time riding the bike... it takes a lot of miles to adapt and tweak your position.  



Well... this is a very good way to make things to wrong. Yes, a good fitter can make most frames (within reason) fit you, but with compromises. The whole reason why you should get fitted first and THEN buy a frame/bike is so you can get as close to your ideal fit as possible and then with minimal amount of compromises make it perfect.

Looking at the list of brands in the initial posts, I would guess that the exact needs are not known. Spending $3000 on a bike and risking getting one that kind of works doesn't sound like a great idea to me... but it's not my money.
2011-08-17 3:43 PM
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Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike?

You need a pre buy fit.

Here is a place that does it either in RI or remotely. For $75-99 you will get recommendations which bike brand, model and sizes will fit you best. I have had 6 bike fits and TTbikefit.com was the last one and was quite impressed with Todd and he made some substantial changes to my position.

Like others have said a good fitter can get most bikes to work with an individual but you don't want to change the way the bike is designed to much by swapping out stems, adding spacers and the like. Best way is to get fit first then buy.

If you look at the parts that come on each bike, Felt and Cervelo I know don't use all same brand/level parts...an ultegra bike is not full ultegra and it is a way to offer a bike at lower price but you get what you pay for. Wheels, brakes, cranks, are often different lower cost brand/models so it brings price in lower. Just be sure you are comparing apples to apples when comparing which brand is best deal. Cervelo brakes wholesale for $4 last time I heard from someone who worked there.



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2011-08-17 3:47 PM
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What's this thing you speak of called "fitting"?

I would go with the idea of the above poster....look for a bike around 2k and get good wheels and fitting!!

2011-08-17 4:20 PM
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audiojan - 2011-08-17 1:17 PM Well... this is a very good way to make things to wrong. Yes, a good fitter can make most frames (within reason) fit you, but with compromises. The whole reason why you should get fitted first and THEN buy a frame/bike is so you can get as close to your ideal fit as possible and then with minimal amount of compromises make it perfect. Looking at the list of brands in the initial posts, I would guess that the exact needs are not known. Spending $3000 on a bike and risking getting one that kind of works doesn't sound like a great idea to me... but it's not my money.

Within reason? What bikes are you talking about? Can you name two different bikes of similar size that could not be set up to have identical touch points?

The only bike I can remotely think of that *might* fall into that category is the Specialized Shiv. It has very limited cockpit adjustments because of its integrated front end. Other than that, you can fit any bike to any person with identical touch points if the size is correct. To do that, there would not be huge or rather significant compromises made.

If that wasn't the case, how would pro riders switch bike manufacturers/teams every couple years? Are they riding frames that don't *fit*? Of course not....



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audiojan - 2011-08-17 3:17 PM
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Meh....I think fit is a little overrated....just make sure you get the right SIZE bike. 

Just make sure the size is correct so you can get the touch points in the right spot with the least amount of spacers. After that, the bike is almost infinitely adjustable within the realm of sane touch points for you. So you will be able to change your fit within that realm anytime you want. 

 Pretty much this.

You can make any bike in the right size fit you and, conversely and most importantly, fit your position to any bike.  It's not like you will make the soundest judgment of what's comfortable and powerful your first time riding the bike... it takes a lot of miles to adapt and tweak your position.  

Well... this is a very good way to make things to wrong. Yes, a good fitter can make most frames (within reason) fit you, but with compromises. The whole reason why you should get fitted first and THEN buy a frame/bike is so you can get as close to your ideal fit as possible and then with minimal amount of compromises make it perfect. Looking at the list of brands in the initial posts, I would guess that the exact needs are not known. Spending $3000 on a bike and risking getting one that kind of works doesn't sound like a great idea to me... but it's not my money.
 I respect your opinion, but if he spends $3000 on the bike that he likes the most AND is in the right size, I can't see anything wrong with that purchase.

I don't get what you mean by "compromises", "kind of works", or things going wrong so I can't really respond.  If you mean spacers, then I think that's sort of a dramatic way to describe them.  When I think of "compromises" for bike fits, I think of people who ride a 56 with a billion spacers, when they should really be riding a 51.

2011-08-17 5:59 PM
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charmander - 2011-08-17 3:31 PM

When I think of "compromises" for bike fits, I think of people who ride a 56 with a billion spacers, when they should really be riding a 51.

As Willie Wonka would say, "Wait a minute, strike that and reverse it...On we go!"

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Fastyellow - 2011-08-17 5:59 PM
charmander - 2011-08-17 3:31 PM

When I think of "compromises" for bike fits, I think of people who ride a 56 with a billion spacers, when they should really be riding a 51.

As Willie Wonka would say, "Wait a minute, strike that and reverse it...On we go!"

Ha, my bad. nice catch.
2011-08-17 6:32 PM
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Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike?
"within reason", very simply, you can't make someone that should be on, let's say a Cervelo P3 56 fit comfortably on a 51, no matter how great of a deal you got on the bike... you could make someone that should be on the Cervelo P3 56cm fit ok on a Felt DA 56cm even though it will be a tad too short and tall. Hence within reason you can make compromises that will make a bike work.
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