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 2011-08-17 8:01 PM in reply to: #3647643 |
Veteran  186   Virginia Beach |  Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? |
| 2011-08-17 8:01 PM in reply to: #3647643 |
Veteran 186 Virginia Beach | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? tri808 - 2011-08-17 2:42 PM $3000 is a lot of money. My advice is to budget the money the following way. $250 for a fit That leaves you with about $1500. If you want something brand new, go for something like the Cervelo P1. If not, you can likely get a used P2 or similar used carbon tri bike for around $1500. That will be your best bang for your buck. what is a deep aero front?
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| 2011-08-17 8:04 PM in reply to: #3647891 |
Expert 819 | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? KathyG - 2011-08-17 4:43 PM You need a pre buy fit. Here is a place that does it either in RI or remotely. For $75-99 you will get recommendations which bike brand, model and sizes will fit you best. I have had 6 bike fits and TTbikefit.com was the last one and was quite impressed with Todd and he made some substantial changes to my position. Like others have said a good fitter can get most bikes to work with an individual but you don't want to change the way the bike is designed to much by swapping out stems, adding spacers and the like. Best way is to get fit first then buy. If you look at the parts that come on each bike, Felt and Cervelo I know don't use all same brand/level parts...an ultegra bike is not full ultegra and it is a way to offer a bike at lower price but you get what you pay for. Wheels, brakes, cranks, are often different lower cost brand/models so it brings price in lower. Just be sure you are comparing apples to apples when comparing which brand is best deal. Cervelo brakes wholesale for $4 last time I heard from someone who worked there.
Have you done a remote fit?? Does it seem reasonable that providing them a video and all of the measurements, they can determine which bike would fit best?? |
| 2011-08-17 8:06 PM in reply to: #3648154 |
| Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? burkesj - 2011-08-17 3:01 PM what is a deep aero front?
In general, a "deep" aero front is a wheel with a rim depth of 50-80mm. A Zipp 404 or Zipp 808 would be a classic example that you could google if you want. Your standard training wheel rim depth is about 21-27mm. Deeper rims with the correct design help improve aerodynamics. |
| 2011-08-17 8:12 PM in reply to: #3647116 |
Master 2447 White Oak, Texas | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? |
| 2011-08-17 8:21 PM in reply to: #3648162 |
Veteran 186 Virginia Beach | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? tri808 - 2011-08-17 9:06 PM burkesj - 2011-08-17 3:01 PM what is a deep aero front?
In general, a "deep" aero front is a wheel with a rim depth of 50-80mm. A Zipp 404 or Zipp 808 would be a classic example that you could google if you want. Your standard training wheel rim depth is about 21-27mm. Deeper rims with the correct design help improve aerodynamics. ah thanks! googling 'deep aero front' didn't help me much lol I bought a stock P2 last year and didn't get any of the extras other than the fit. More stuff to think about. |
| 2011-08-17 8:22 PM in reply to: #3648168 |
| Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? CBarnes - 2011-08-17 3:12 PM Kestrel Airflow pro sl $2295 then spend the rest at the local shop.
Great price...too bad their sold out. Edited by tri808 2011-08-17 8:23 PM |
| 2011-08-17 8:25 PM in reply to: #3648159 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? leftrunner - 2011-08-17 9:04 PM KathyG - 2011-08-17 4:43 PM You need a pre buy fit. Here is a place that does it either in RI or remotely. For $75-99 you will get recommendations which bike brand, model and sizes will fit you best. I have had 6 bike fits and TTbikefit.com was the last one and was quite impressed with Todd and he made some substantial changes to my position. Like others have said a good fitter can get most bikes to work with an individual but you don't want to change the way the bike is designed to much by swapping out stems, adding spacers and the like. Best way is to get fit first then buy. If you look at the parts that come on each bike, Felt and Cervelo I know don't use all same brand/level parts...an ultegra bike is not full ultegra and it is a way to offer a bike at lower price but you get what you pay for. Wheels, brakes, cranks, are often different lower cost brand/models so it brings price in lower. Just be sure you are comparing apples to apples when comparing which brand is best deal. Cervelo brakes wholesale for $4 last time I heard from someone who worked there.
Have you done a remote fit?? Does it seem reasonable that providing them a video and all of the measurements, they can determine which bike would fit best?? No I live local and met with him....I think I was there 4-5 hours for full TT fit. If he offered that pre fit option last year before I bought my last TT bike I would have done it. He works with a lot of Endurance Nation athletes (on line group that works from training plans from the two coaches) from around the US and beyond. I have only heard positive things about the on line work he does. Email him with your questions and he'll get back to you. |
| 2011-08-17 8:41 PM in reply to: #3648177 |
Master 2447 White Oak, Texas | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? tri808 - 2011-08-17 8:22 PM CBarnes - 2011-08-17 3:12 PM Kestrel Airflow pro sl $2295 then spend the rest at the local shop.
Great price...too bad their sold out. Bummer but they do have some Ralons for 1899.00
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| 2011-08-17 8:46 PM in reply to: #3647643 |
Extreme Veteran 863 West Michigan | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? I believe most places will do a pre-buy fit and then deduct the cost from the bike if you buy from them. At least my LBS does. Unless your an experienced cyclists with a good base fitness, I wouldn't get a powertap. I'd also lose the deep aero front wheel. Not dismissing the importance of them and again it all depends on your base fitness. I'm a Felt guy then Cervelo. Both are slippery bikes. |
| 2011-08-17 8:51 PM in reply to: #3648216 |
| Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? guppie58 - 2011-08-17 3:46 PM Unless your an experienced cyclists with a good base fitness, I wouldn't get a powertap. I'd also lose the deep aero front wheel. Not dismissing the importance of them and again it all depends on your base fitness. True...but I was assuming all $3000 was going to be spent. I suppose my first recommendation would be to spend $1500 on a good used bike and pocket the other $1500. But I think you would agree that spending the entire $3000 on a bike is not your best bang for your buck. |
| 2011-08-17 9:12 PM in reply to: #3648223 |
Extreme Veteran 863 West Michigan | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? I would agree. I'd definitely buy used. Plenty of GREAT used bikes out there. |
| 2011-08-17 9:32 PM in reply to: #3648162 |
Veteran 365 WTH? This isn't coral. It's corn! | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? tri808 - 2011-08-17 9:06 PM Do you use the same series front and back or the 404 in front and the 8 in back? Also is the powertap wheel in addition to the power meter? I'm interested in beginning to use power for training. What's a reasonable price point for power accessories? Even if used? Thxburkesj - 2011-08-17 3:01 PM what is a deep aero front?
In general, a "deep" aero front is a wheel with a rim depth of 50-80mm. A Zipp 404 or Zipp 808 would be a classic example that you could google if you want. Your standard training wheel rim depth is about 21-27mm. Deeper rims with the correct design help improve aerodynamics. |
| 2011-08-18 4:57 AM in reply to: #3647116 |
Member 603 Chicago | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? I will agree and disagree with some of the other posters here. Since you initially posted 'fit being equal' which I take it you just want to find the best bike. I would make sure you found the size needed, go on a trial ride at the LBS... buy it used and spend the extra cash on extras... and then get a fit to bike later. Basing a purchase around a fit is not ideal (for me at least)... just with the example used with the pros earlier. In my opinion I would go with the Trek. But thats because thats what I ride. |
| 2011-08-18 10:34 AM in reply to: #3647116 |
Expert 819 | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? there is a FELT B2 on sale here, 2007, HED3 Aero Wheels,
I am a bit leary buying used, but do they usually hold up well for years and years?? |
| 2011-08-18 10:40 AM in reply to: #3648911 |
Member 603 Chicago | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? leftrunner - 2011-08-18 10:34 AM there is a FELT B2 on sale here, 2007, HED3 Aero Wheels,
I am a bit leary buying used, but do they usually hold up well for years and years??
I bought mine used for well under half the retail price... I found someone who spent all the money and didnt like triathlon. It had like 50 miles on it. You can find a lot out there just make sure it isnt stolen. |
| 2011-08-18 11:31 AM in reply to: #3647930 |
Master 2426 Central Indiana | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? Fastyellow - 2011-08-17 5:20 PM audiojan - 2011-08-17 1:17 PM Well... this is a very good way to make things to wrong. Yes, a good fitter can make most frames (within reason) fit you, but with compromises. The whole reason why you should get fitted first and THEN buy a frame/bike is so you can get as close to your ideal fit as possible and then with minimal amount of compromises make it perfect. Looking at the list of brands in the initial posts, I would guess that the exact needs are not known. Spending $3000 on a bike and risking getting one that kind of works doesn't sound like a great idea to me... but it's not my money. Within reason? What bikes are you talking about? Can you name two different bikes of similar size that could not be set up to have identical touch points? If geometry differs enough the same "touch points" set up may not produce same dynamic fit. From the OP's list, consider the Kestel Talon SL & Cervelo P2. For 56/55 size (closest match) stack/reach are 531/429 vs 548/393, despite the TT being longer on Kestrel (55.6 vs 54.5cm). You could (in some instances) set contact points precisely same on these 2 frames, but if/when you did so the rider would be in different position vs BB (i.e. different functional pedaling position) and have different weight distribution (ride/handling characteristics). http://www.slowtwitch.com/Bike_Fit/Choosing_a_Tri_Bike_via_Stack_and_Reach/Stack_Reach_Primer_Chapter_Two_96.html http://www.slowtwitch.com/stackreach.html#Anchor-EXECUTING-23240
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I hate to see others waste $$$$ on same mistakes I've made (although for me it was roadie rather than tri bike). Edited by Oldteen 2011-08-18 11:40 AM |
| 2011-08-18 11:50 AM in reply to: #3649014 |
Master 2356 Westlake Village , Ca. | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? Oldteen - 2011-08-18 9:31 AM Fastyellow - 2011-08-17 5:20 PM audiojan - 2011-08-17 1:17 PM Well... this is a very good way to make things to wrong. Yes, a good fitter can make most frames (within reason) fit you, but with compromises. The whole reason why you should get fitted first and THEN buy a frame/bike is so you can get as close to your ideal fit as possible and then with minimal amount of compromises make it perfect. Looking at the list of brands in the initial posts, I would guess that the exact needs are not known. Spending $3000 on a bike and risking getting one that kind of works doesn't sound like a great idea to me... but it's not my money. Within reason? What bikes are you talking about? Can you name two different bikes of similar size that could not be set up to have identical touch points? If geometry differs enough the same "touch points" set up may not produce same dynamic fit. From the OP's list, consider the Kestel Talon SL & Cervelo P2. For 56/55 size (closest match) stack/reach are 531/429 vs 548/393, despite the TT being longer on Kestrel (55.6 vs 54.5cm). You could (in some instances) set contact points precisely same on these 2 frames, but if/when you did so the rider would be in different position vs BB (i.e. different functional pedaling position) and have different weight distribution (ride/handling characteristics). http://www.slowtwitch.com/Bike_Fit/Choosing_a_Tri_Bike_via_Stack_and_Reach/Stack_Reach_Primer_Chapter_Two_96.html http://www.slowtwitch.com/stackreach.html#Anchor-EXECUTING-23240
I don't mean to be argumentative, but I hate to see others waste $$$$ on same mistakes I've made (although for me it was roadie rather than tri bike). Not if you started at the BB and worked from there. ie, put the seat in the same spot and then adjusted the bars to match. The situation you describe is not putting the touch points in the same spot. How are the touch points in the same spot if the seat is not in the same point in space relative to the BB? ETA...I see what Dan is saying in the article but I think he is being overly dramatic and using examples that this rider is not contemplating...ie integrated front ends. All the bikes the OP is looking at would work just fine. Edited by Fastyellow 2011-08-18 12:01 PM |
| 2011-08-18 12:50 PM in reply to: #3647456 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: $3000 to spend, which bike? Fastyellow - 2011-08-17 12:21 PM Meh....I think fit is a little overrated....just make sure you get the right SIZE bike. Different manufacturers have different ways of sizing a bike, so a 56 of one type may or may not be the same as a 56 of another....some even use S, M & L...etc. Just make sure the size is correct so you can get the touch points in the right spot with the least amount of spacers. After that, the bike is almost infinitely adjustable within the realm of sane touch points for you. So you will be able to change your fit within that realm anytime you want. If you get a bike that is too big or too small...you may get stuck in one direction where the bike no longer becomes adjustable. Having said that....I would go P2 which will leave a few hundred left over. ETA: All the bikes you mentioned, in the right size, will be able to "fit" you correctly with the right adjustments.... I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this. |
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