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2005-12-08 9:09 AM |
Expert 1207 Liberty Lake, WA | Subject: IM Training Hours BS Over on the main form their is an interesting thread by amiine about Kona spots. I did not want to hijack his thread so I moved this one over here. In the artical it states that according to the WTC the average AG competitor swims 12,000 yards, bikes 230 miles, and runs 48 miles per week, and they do this for 7 month. I read this and said BS. Not pro but average AG? Are you kidding me. I might have put in these hour once in the last two years but the average AG for 7 months, no way. So what kind of hours are you going to be putting in? Lets say average from 12 to 6 weeks out from race day. My guess: Swim 3 = hours (6000 yd), Bike = 10 hours (180 miles), Run = 4 hours (32 miles). |
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2005-12-08 9:41 AM in reply to: #301662 |
Giver 18427 | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS My longest weeks will be 15-17 hours, and I don't anticipate having more than a total of 4 or so in that range. Mostly 10-12 hours probably. T in Liberty Lake - 2005-12-08 9:09 AM Over on the main form their is an interesting thread by amiine about Kona spots. I did not want to hijack his thread so I moved this one over here. In the artical it states that according to the WTC the average AG competitor swims 12,000 yards, bikes 230 miles, and runs 48 miles per week, and they do this for 7 month. I read this and said BS. Not pro but average AG? Are you kidding me. I might have put in these hour once in the last two years but the average AG for 7 months, no way. So what kind of hours are you going to be putting in? Lets say average from 12 to 6 weeks out from race day. My guess: Swim 3 = hours (6000 yd), Bike = 10 hours (180 miles), Run = 4 hours (32 miles). |
2005-12-08 9:46 AM in reply to: #301662 |
Expert 1535 Coeur D'alene, ID | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS The most hours per month for my plan are going to be 56, or 14 hours per week. I read that article too and thought it was BS. There is no way the average AG'er puts in that kind of time and miles. |
2005-12-08 10:29 AM in reply to: #301662 |
Not a Coach 11473 Media, PA | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS The thread on ST about this article speculates that they ask a bunch of AGers how much they trained in a post-IM survey and you get a lot of people just responding with a peak week answer (or at least their peak block). Sounds about right to me. |
2005-12-08 10:29 AM in reply to: #301662 |
Pro 3906 St Charles, IL | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS Is that AG'ers that qualify for Kona? Or AG'ers at any given M-Dot? If the former, I could see that. If the latter, I definitely call those numbers inflated. -C |
2005-12-08 11:31 AM in reply to: #301662 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS I have 7 weeks of 15 or more hours of training per week. Only my swimming yardage exceeds those numbers. I'm not even close to those bike or run totals. |
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2005-12-08 12:08 PM in reply to: #301662 |
Extreme Veteran 367 Lufkin (East Texas) | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS My heaviest week leading up to IMAZ was one of 18.5 hours, with lots of 12-13 hour weeks. I don't imagine that it will be much different this year. That's on a 26 week plan also. I would think that the survey would be a little skewed if they were asking the 'average AG' at Kona. Let's face it, if you've qualified for Kona, in any other race you are at a minimum finishing in the top 15 of your AG. That is clearly not an average AG'er. Even with the lottery spots, you're still not getting an accurate view of the average AG'er that would run another IM. That still sounds like a lot of training though if you consider a job, a family, a life of some sort. |
2005-12-08 12:54 PM in reply to: #301662 |
Pro 3883 Woodstock,GA | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS My peak training weeks for IMLP last year were Swim-12,000yds Bike-150-180 miles (10 hours) Run-4.5 hours (approx 30-34 miles) This is precisely the reason I am retired from IM distance until my kid (soon to be kids) get older. 6 hours on a bike on Saturday mornings just don't appeal to me like they once did. Maybe I will do another one when I turn 40. |
2005-12-08 4:36 PM in reply to: #301959 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS Rocket Man - 2005-12-08 9:54 AM My peak training weeks for IMLP last year were Swim-12,000yds Bike-150-180 miles (10 hours) Run-4.5 hours (approx 30-34 miles) This is precisely the reason I am retired from IM distance until my kid (soon to be kids) get older. 6 hours on a bike on Saturday mornings just don't appeal to me like they once did. Maybe I will do another one when I turn 40. I'm with you on this. I think this may be my one and only IM. The time commitment is unbelievable. Not just the time spent working out, but the time spent getting to the pool, making meals, doing excess laundry, preparing meals the night before. It begins to feel like a job. |
2005-12-08 7:35 PM in reply to: #301662 |
Master 1661 Newbury Park, CA | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS
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2005-12-09 7:53 AM in reply to: #301959 |
Elite 3498 Chicago | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS During the last 2-3 months of IMWI trng it was not uncommon to have a week or 2 that was at about: Swimming: 3 hours/week Biking: 15 hours/week Running: 5 hours/week But this was NOT consistent as my volume went up and down during each 4 week cycle. I can tell you that the folks I know that qualify for Kona as well as other folks that are much more talented than I definately put in those "average AG" hours. 10,000 yards per week of swimming is pretty standard for IM athletes I train with, 200-250 miles/week is not a big deal either when you're knocking off almost half of that over the weekend. The running volume seems a bit high, but I'm injury prone and would never run that much if I could help it. One thing that I wouldn't agree with is that AGs keep up this pace for 7 months. That would be physiologically detremental due to the lack of implementing phase training over the course of a season. I think this is probabaly the AGs typical peak week during their last 2 months of trng. The WTC really blows sh!t out of proportion a lot. Hell they call their Ironman races the "World’s Toughest Endurance Event"...geez give me a break. I can think of several races off the top of my head (not including the Tour de France) that are 10 times harder than the Ironman. One of those races would be the Southern Traverse. WTC is great and all...but sometimes they get a little carried away... Edited by Steve- 2005-12-09 7:59 AM |
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2005-12-09 11:03 AM in reply to: #302270 |
Elite 2458 Livingston, MT | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS PGoldberger - 2005-12-08 4:35 PM
You're not kidding brother. This is hard work! |
2005-12-09 5:30 PM in reply to: #302397 |
Member 20 | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS The WTC really blows sh!t out of proportion a lot. Hell they call their Ironman races the "World’s Toughest Endurance Event"...geez give me a break. I can think of several races off the top of my head (not including the Tour de France) that are 10 times harder than the Ironman. One of those races would be the Southern Traverse. WTC is great and all...but sometimes they get a little carried away... Yeah, I think just maybe it's possible that the Badwater UltraMarathon is tougher than an Ironman. Maybe. My peak week for my first IM was 12 hours of actual training. I didn't swim much, since my swimming is fine, and so I probably did a 1-hour swim, an 8-hour bike ride (I'm slow on the bike) and a few runs and another ride that week. I finishen IM Moo in 2003, which is more than a lot of people did that day. This year, I expect to train more, esp. on the bike, but I still doubt I'll get over 18 hours at a peak. You don't need that kind of mileage to complete the race and have fun doing it. I was really careful to get in 4 100-mile rides and a couple of 18-mile runs, plus a 2.5-mile swim. Not all in the same week, though. |
2005-12-09 9:42 PM in reply to: #302853 |
Elite 3498 Chicago | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS haroldbuck - 2005-12-09 4:30 PM The WTC really blows sh!t out of proportion a lot. Hell they call their Ironman races the "World’s Toughest Endurance Event"...geez give me a break. I can think of several races off the top of my head (not including the Tour de France) that are 10 times harder than the Ironman. One of those races would be the Southern Traverse. Yeah, I think just maybe it's possible that the Badwater UltraMarathon is tougher than an Ironman. Maybe. My peak week for my first IM was 12 hours of actual training. I didn't swim much, since my swimming is fine, and so I probably did a 1-hour swim, an 8-hour bike ride (I'm slow on the bike) and a few runs and another ride that week. I finishen IM Moo in 2003, which is more than a lot of people did that day. This year, I expect to train more, esp. on the bike, but I still doubt I'll get over 18 hours at a peak. You don't need that kind of mileage to complete the race and have fun doing it. I was really careful to get in 4 100-mile rides and a couple of 18-mile runs, plus a 2.5-mile swim. Not all in the same week, though.WTC is great and all...but sometimes they get a little carried away... yeah, you're right....you definately don't need that kind of time to finish and have fun. I'm about to do IMAZ in 4 months and my training will so minute compared to my IMWI build-up that I may end up publishing my book after all. Look for it in a bookstore near you in the spring. "How to Finish and Ironman with less than 8 hours a week training" ha ha ha ha ha |
2005-12-10 8:44 AM in reply to: #302941 |
Elite 2863 | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS Steve- - 2005-12-09 9:42 PM haroldbuck - 2005-12-09 4:30 PM The WTC really blows sh!t out of proportion a lot. Hell they call their Ironman races the "World’s Toughest Endurance Event"...geez give me a break. I can think of several races off the top of my head (not including the Tour de France) that are 10 times harder than the Ironman. One of those races would be the Southern Traverse. Yeah, I think just maybe it's possible that the Badwater UltraMarathon is tougher than an Ironman. Maybe. My peak week for my first IM was 12 hours of actual training. I didn't swim much, since my swimming is fine, and so I probably did a 1-hour swim, an 8-hour bike ride (I'm slow on the bike) and a few runs and another ride that week. I finishen IM Moo in 2003, which is more than a lot of people did that day. This year, I expect to train more, esp. on the bike, but I still doubt I'll get over 18 hours at a peak. You don't need that kind of mileage to complete the race and have fun doing it. I was really careful to get in 4 100-mile rides and a couple of 18-mile runs, plus a 2.5-mile swim. Not all in the same week, though.WTC is great and all...but sometimes they get a little carried away... yeah, you're right....you definately don't need that kind of time to finish and have fun. I'm about to do IMAZ in 4 months and my training will so minute compared to my IMWI build-up that I may end up publishing my book after all. Look for it in a bookstore near you in the spring. "How to Finish and Ironman with less than 8 hours a week training" ha ha ha ha ha I'll buy that book! |
2005-12-13 1:55 PM in reply to: #301662 |
Champion 7704 Williamston, Michigan | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS They did a survey at IMNZ and the average amount of time age groupers put in was 19.? hours per week and half that time (of those surveyed) was spent swimming....I personally find it hard to believe anyone can spend 10 hours a week inthe pool tho |
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2005-12-13 2:14 PM in reply to: #304730 |
Elite 2863 | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS sue7013 - 2005-12-13 1:55 PM They did a survey at IMNZ and the average amount of time age groupers put in was 19.? hours per week and half that time (of those surveyed) was spent swimming....I personally find it hard to believe anyone can spend 10 hours a week inthe pool tho That can't be right. 9 to 10 hours a week in the pool for an AG'er? Someone please say this isn't so. My schedule is calling for an average of 3 hours a week with a high week of 6.5 hours. If most agree AG'ers should be spending 9-10 hrs then I need to make some major changes in my training. |
2005-12-13 3:03 PM in reply to: #304756 |
Elite 3235 San Diego | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS oipolloi - 2005-12-13 12:14 PM sue7013 - 2005-12-13 1:55 PM They did a survey at IMNZ and the average amount of time age groupers put in was 19.? hours per week and half that time (of those surveyed) was spent swimming....I personally find it hard to believe anyone can spend 10 hours a week inthe pool tho That can't be right. 9 to 10 hours a week in the pool for an AG'er? Someone please say this isn't so. My schedule is calling for an average of 3 hours a week with a high week of 6.5 hours. If most agree AG'ers should be spending 9-10 hrs then I need to make some major changes in my training. There is no way most AGers are putting in 9 hours a week in the pool. I imagine most are barely putting in 10 a week on their bikes. I think the most I did was 4.5 and that was on my own. My plan called for 1 hour swims. I swam more than 1 hour because I wanted to do at least 5000 yards a swim near the end of my training but that was just me Edited by madcow 2005-12-13 3:07 PM |
2005-12-13 7:12 PM in reply to: #304756 |
Elite 3498 Chicago | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS oipolloi - 2005-12-13 1:14 PM sue7013 - 2005-12-13 1:55 PM They did a survey at IMNZ and the average amount of time age groupers put in was 19.? hours per week and half that time (of those surveyed) was spent swimming....I personally find it hard to believe anyone can spend 10 hours a week inthe pool tho That can't be right. 9 to 10 hours a week in the pool for an AG'er? Someone please say this isn't so. My schedule is calling for an average of 3 hours a week with a high week of 6.5 hours. If most agree AG'ers should be spending 9-10 hrs then I need to make some major changes in my training. word of advice.....don't base your training volume on others' |
2005-12-14 8:55 AM in reply to: #305033 |
Elite 2863 | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS Steve- - 2005-12-13 7:12 PM oipolloi - 2005-12-13 1:14 PM sue7013 - 2005-12-13 1:55 PM They did a survey at IMNZ and the average amount of time age groupers put in was 19.? hours per week and half that time (of those surveyed) was spent swimming....I personally find it hard to believe anyone can spend 10 hours a week inthe pool tho That can't be right. 9 to 10 hours a week in the pool for an AG'er? Someone please say this isn't so. My schedule is calling for an average of 3 hours a week with a high week of 6.5 hours. If most agree AG'ers should be spending 9-10 hrs then I need to make some major changes in my training. word of advice.....don't base your training volume on others' Don't base my training volume on others??? Don't we all use Training Plans devised from someone else in one way or another? You aren't suggesting that a first-timer write his own training plan from scratch without the input from experienced athletes are you? That would render all of BT's training plans useless for beginner triathletes. |
2005-12-14 11:08 AM in reply to: #305261 |
Expert 1207 Liberty Lake, WA | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS I think that anyone doing an IM, especially first timers, should base their training volume/plan off of their needs not the needs of others. You should take into account the time you are willing to train, what your weaknesses/strengths are, what your starting fitness is in each event, and what your reason for doing an IM is. It is a good idea to talk to experianced athletes, look at a number of different plans, maybe even hire a coach. But to base your traing volume off of others is a recipe for disaster, especially if they are swimming 9 hours a week. |
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2005-12-14 12:34 PM in reply to: #301662 |
Master 1728 portland, or | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS Those numbers have been thrown around by the WTC for a few years now as part of PR pieces. To say that AGers are averaging that for 7 months is a bit of a stretch, but I've put in weeks of that quantity and know people who do more. Personally in a 26 week schedule: Weeks 1-9 are 14-18 hours with a lot of swimming, frequent biking and running Weeks 10-16 are 18-22 maintaining swimming, but building bike mileage Weeks 17-24 are 20-25 with a lot of biking and building my long runs. Weeks 25&26 are ~15 and 10 On the other hand I know people who average 10-12 hours with the occasional 15-18 hour week and do just fine. As someone else posted, don't base your training on someone elses schedule. Do what works for you, your family, your career, and your goals. scott |
2005-12-14 2:03 PM in reply to: #301662 |
The Original 7834 Raleigh/Durham | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS Oh my gosh- I knew I shouldn't have visited this thread. I mean I know that I won't have a life when I'm Im training for FL, but oh my gosh! I'm really not going to have a life |
2005-12-14 2:33 PM in reply to: #301662 |
Pro 3883 Woodstock,GA | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS You all know that I am a coach and we have beaten this to death in other threads.....but my advice is get a coach if you are a first time IMer. There is no way you can know how to tailor a training plan for an IM race if you have never done one. |
2005-12-15 2:38 PM in reply to: #301662 |
Regular 122 Southern, Maine | Subject: RE: IM Training Hours BS If you look at the training plans supplied by Multisports.com the average week during the final 2 months is between 12 and 18. That is the final 2 months, other then that their plan calls for 10ish off season. This is broken up 2-3 hr swim, 3 to 4 bike and 2 - 3 run. The past 2 yrs I have followed the Multisport year round plan starting at Thanksgiving to build base for IMLP and it has worked fine. My peak week one month before the race was: swim 6 miles Bike 300 Run 60 followed by many beers at Lake Placid Brewery There is no need to panic about hours this time of year, slow and steady catches the worm or something like that. By the time the warm winds of spring come your body is going to be saying- LET'S Go! I'm in shape give me more. I know 6 to 8 hour bike rides can suck, but spend the time now looking at maps and driving around to find great rides for spring. I dont think I rode the same ride more then twice all last season, my *** was sore but I looked forward to getting on the bike. Then again what do I know Have fun Chris |
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