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2012-05-13 9:52 PM

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Subject: Misleading elevation gain on MapMyRide
So I did a ride that I found on mapmyride last Friday, and it was listed as a 50miler with 1725ft of ascent. Even this is overkill for my training for the ultra-flat Eagleman course, but roughly speaking that's not an especially hilly ride. I go and do the ride and much to my chagrin I log it as 3600ft of climb. *Annoyance*. Anybody have a similar experience with the stats on mapmyride not matching up to reality?


2012-05-13 9:57 PM
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Yes, every time a route I know is posted it seems to be well under. It's good enough to give a decent idea of the more major climbing, but it misses so much of the smaller ones. In that regard it's not useless, but it is important to understand its limitations.

What did you use to measure? Garmins tend to do a lot better, but what device is used makes a difference. GPS based ones are noticeably less accurate than the barometric ones.



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2012-05-13 10:32 PM
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Yes, mapmyride tends to yield low estimates.
2012-05-14 7:20 AM
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Yes, i've seen it wildly exaggerate the vert also.

Seems ok as I click the waypoints, but then something goes awry when i am done

2012-05-14 7:39 AM
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Straight garmin numbers are just as inaccurate.  I find the only way i get an accurate picture is by using the Elevation Correction plugin for Sporttracks.  It uses 3-4 sources for the elevation, including the NED (national elevation database) if you choose to download it.  You can then compare the 3-4 sources of elevation and the NED database always cooresponds the closest to the course I just ran/rode.

Of course this doesn't help when using mapmyride but is good post ride.  I have found that the profile is "generally" accurate for mapmyride, the total accent/decent is not accurate.

 

2012-05-14 8:53 AM
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MMR is the worst of all the programs IMO. It has one hill that I climb where if I get off the bike I would slide down a good ways....on by butt too. MMR has it at 5% Surprised

After this I never used it again. Also keep in mind that you will never know the correct elevation for your ride. Garmin's w elevation correction (no barometer) you would think are good as they are supposedly comapring them to some topographical survey. With baramoter they can also be off as weather changes. Strava, ride with GPS, etc

Just take them as a ball park and fdont get too caught up in them but definetly dont bother with elevation from MMR

 



2012-05-14 9:14 AM
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mapmyride is all about sampling size/frequency.   If you map out a longer ride, it averages out the elevation a lot, so you don't see the climbs as steep or tall as they might be.  You can see it for yourself if you go map out a big hill that you know of, and just map the hill.   You'll get a more accurate assessment of gradients over just the hill, rather than if you average in a few miles ahead of and/or after the climb.  A 250 foot section of 20% grade disappears quite quickly if your slope includes 10 miles of road.

On days I have way too much free time, I've mapped things out mile by mile (or only a few miles at a time) to get a more accurate idea of total climbing, but that's sort of a pain, and then you don't get to see the big picture quite as well.



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2012-05-14 10:12 AM
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brigby1 - 2012-05-13 9:57 PM

What did you use to measure? Garmins tend to do a lot better, but what device is used makes a difference. GPS based ones are noticeably less accurate than the barometric ones.

We had two Garmin Edge 800s on this ride, both of which measured 3600ft.

2012-05-14 12:07 PM
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not on elevation but I did have a max speed of 58,923 MPH. Take that Peter Sagan or Lance!
2012-05-14 12:42 PM
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Forgive my ignorance, but how do they get a max elevation gain number? I do an out and back and my Cyclemeter app always has a decent gain, but if i finish where I start it should be Zero, otherwise it's not a "gain". Does max elevation gain mean, "max climbed"; meaning anytime you are going up it's adding to a counter. every time you are going down it does nothing to the counter? If so, what change in elevation does it take before the counter kicks in? Seems like a 30 mile course with a rolling 5ft climb every other 100 yards would add up, but never really be all that out of flat.
2012-05-14 1:12 PM
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I find garmin's barometric altimiter to be pretty accurate.  I've done the same ride many times, on different days, with different weather conditions, and the elevation gain always seems to be within 1-3% of each other.  That's good enough for me.  I'm not exactly sure why I would need a super precise measurment of elevation gain.  I don't see how that would improve my riding.

 



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Danno77 - 2012-05-14 12:42 PM Forgive my ignorance, but how do they get a max elevation gain number? I do an out and back and my Cyclemeter app always has a decent gain, but if i finish where I start it should be Zero, otherwise it's not a "gain". Does max elevation gain mean, "max climbed"; meaning anytime you are going up it's adding to a counter. every time you are going down it does nothing to the counter? If so, what change in elevation does it take before the counter kicks in? Seems like a 30 mile course with a rolling 5ft climb every other 100 yards would add up, but never really be all that out of flat.

All of the uphill goes under gain. All of the downhill goes under loss. Added together it should be near zero for a route that ends where it starts, this is net elevation.

2012-05-14 1:24 PM
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makes sense. thank you.

Now, why? What's the point? 1 ft gain here and there doesn't matter unless it comes in big amounts over a small distance, no? I think I could do 2400ft gain in 30 miles (Net 0), but it would be wayy more difficult to do 2400 gain (Net +2400). Is this the case in real life? My experience is limited.

I ask because nobody ever talks about this "Net" that you are referring to, but everybody throws out gain, like it means something.

To me it's like saying I went 2500 cumulative mph on my ride. It doesn't mean much, what's the measurement interval? what's the average, etc.
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