4 Dead on Mt. Everest
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2012-05-22 11:54 AM |
Expert 1566 Prattville Insane Asylum San Antonio | Subject: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest 4 Bodies were found on Mt. Everest this weekend after a traffic jam occurred in order to summit. I have long had a fascination with this mountain, but Mt. McKinley is the tallest I have summited. I have a desire to summit it, but at the rate it has become a business for unqualified climbers who pay the money, I would have to decline going now. Unfortunately it has become part of keeping the economy going there. |
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2012-05-22 11:58 AM in reply to: #4222893 |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest I blame it on the money-hungry Sherpas. |
2012-05-22 12:03 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Elite 3277 Minnetonka | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest I read that at least two of the climbers were on a "Clean-up" mission. I guess it's getting pretty cluttered up there. |
2012-05-22 12:06 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Expert 1566 Prattville Insane Asylum San Antonio | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest The place looks like a trash dump. Just irritating to me! One guy who said he had to suspend his trip of taking over 60 climbers due to these deaths. Really 60?? At 25,000 dollars an expedition, I guess if that's how you want to spend your money, but they are really trashing that mountain. |
2012-05-22 12:12 PM in reply to: #4222926 |
Master 4101 Denver | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 11:06 AM The place looks like a trash dump. Just irritating to me! One guy who said he had to suspend his trip of taking over 60 climbers due to these deaths. Really 60?? At 25,000 dollars an expedition, I guess if that's how you want to spend your money, but they are really trashing that mountain. They just had the 1st fatality of the year on Denali too. Apparently he fell at about 16,200 while trying to grab a backpack that was sliding away. From what I've heard it's actually a more difficult climb than Everest, much more technical. I read that the guy who canceled his trip of taking the 60 clients did so because there has been less snowfall than normal the past few years on Everest and again this year so the ridges are now covered in ice and exposed rock which is much more dangerous.
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2012-05-22 12:23 PM in reply to: #4222945 |
Expert 1566 Prattville Insane Asylum San Antonio | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest drewb8 - 2012-05-22 12:12 PM ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 11:06 AM The place looks like a trash dump. Just irritating to me! One guy who said he had to suspend his trip of taking over 60 climbers due to these deaths. Really 60?? At 25,000 dollars an expedition, I guess if that's how you want to spend your money, but they are really trashing that mountain. They just had the 1st fatality of the year on Denali too. Apparently he fell at about 16,200 while trying to grab a backpack that was sliding away. From what I've heard it's actually a more difficult climb than Everest, much more technical. I read that the guy who canceled his trip of taking the 60 clients did so because there has been less snowfall than normal the past few years on Everest and again this year so the ridges are now covered in ice and exposed rock which is much more dangerous.
Well this makes me feel a little better about his decision making and motives. I'm sure there are a lot of expeditions that will go without thinking twice about the conditions before the monetary motives. I haven't read about the climber in Denali. That is unfortunate and sad. I also have heard from other climbers it is much more technical. |
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2012-05-22 12:26 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Extreme Veteran 787 The Woodlands/Magnolia, TX. | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest Everest has been a fascination of mine for a while too. i'm not a climber but i really enjoy reading about people's experiences there. one thing is always consistant when i read....trash and crowd. everyone always mentions the trash everywhere and leftover O2 containers. and they always mention how croweded base camp is. they say it's like a city of tents and gear. Edited by antlimon166 2012-05-22 12:28 PM |
2012-05-22 12:52 PM in reply to: #4222978 |
Pro 4174 Keller, Texas | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 12:23 PM drewb8 - 2012-05-22 12:12 PM ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 11:06 AM The place looks like a trash dump. Just irritating to me! One guy who said he had to suspend his trip of taking over 60 climbers due to these deaths. Really 60?? At 25,000 dollars an expedition, I guess if that's how you want to spend your money, but they are really trashing that mountain. They just had the 1st fatality of the year on Denali too. Apparently he fell at about 16,200 while trying to grab a backpack that was sliding away. From what I've heard it's actually a more difficult climb than Everest, much more technical. I read that the guy who canceled his trip of taking the 60 clients did so because there has been less snowfall than normal the past few years on Everest and again this year so the ridges are now covered in ice and exposed rock which is much more dangerous.
Well this makes me feel a little better about his decision making and motives. I'm sure there are a lot of expeditions that will go without thinking twice about the conditions before the monetary motives. I haven't read about the climber in Denali. That is unfortunate and sad. I also have heard from other climbers it is much more technical. It was Russell Brice from Himilayan Expeditions. He is the one who was featured in the Discovery Channel series. He cancelled way before any of the fatal summit attempts were made I think he was the only resposnible leader on the mountain this season.
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2012-05-22 12:53 PM in reply to: #4222988 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest antlimon166 - and they always mention how croweded base camp is. they say it's like a city of tents and gear. I spent an afternoon at base camp while on a trek. I'm not a climber. I think there's one member on this board who's summited Everest, if I remember correctly. Edited by dontracy 2012-05-22 12:53 PM |
2012-05-22 1:03 PM in reply to: #4222945 |
Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest drewb8 - 2012-05-22 12:12 PM I read that the guy who canceled his trip of taking the 60 clients did so because there has been less snowfall than normal the past few years on Everest and again this year so the ridges are now covered in ice and exposed rock which is much more dangerous.
you're not going to work that into a global warming thing? j/k (from what I understand that's what they attribute it to) |
2012-05-22 1:15 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Master 2083 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 11:54 AM I have a desire to summit it, but at the rate it has become a business for unqualified climbers who pay the money, I would have to decline going now. Unfortunately it has become part of keeping the economy going there. I've always been fascinated with it too. I agree though that it loses a bit of it's luster with all the abuse it's taking and just sheer numbers number of visitors. When I get out I don't like for 50 people to be with me. There are plenty more technical mountains than Everest. Everest is just the tallest, that's all. |
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2012-05-22 1:18 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Master 1517 Western MA near the VT & NH border on the CT river | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest I went to a seminar w/ David Breashears in '04 or '03 (maybe even before - it was before '05 as he hadnt made his film 'Storm Over Everest'. He was the film maker who made the IMAX film 'Everest' that was filming while 'Into thin Air' was happening in 1996. He is an avid mountain climber and the first American to reach the summit twice in 1985. He shared his story about ITA, but what struck me more was the slides he showed from 1983. his first climb and compared them to 1997, his fourth, and how much trash was left up there. Not to mention, the bodies.... |
2012-05-22 1:20 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest ecozenmama - I have long had a fascination with this mountain, but Mt. McKinley is the tallest I have summited. I have a desire to summit it, but at the rate it has become a business for unqualified climbers who pay the money, I would have to decline going now. Climbing Mt. McKinley is quite an accomplishment. Here are a couple peaks in the Khumbu region that I understand require technical skill, I know there are many more. The Khumbu Valley is the most beautiful place I've ever been. I recommend a trip there to any climbers. The story from Everest is sad. Edited by dontracy 2012-05-22 1:21 PM |
2012-05-22 1:46 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Master 1517 Raleigh | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest closest I got to Denali: http://www.kodakgallery.com/imaging-site/services/doc/3666:866919375209/jpeg/BG i want to climb but want to live too...sigh... |
2012-05-22 2:20 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 9:54 AM 4 Bodies were found on Mt. Everest this weekend after a traffic jam occurred in order to summit. I have long had a fascination with this mountain, but Mt. McKinley is the tallest I have summited. I have a desire to summit it, but at the rate it has become a business for unqualified climbers who pay the money, I would have to decline going now. Unfortunately it has become part of keeping the economy going there. I have way more desire to climb Mt McKinley then Everest. I have zero desire to actually climb Everest. It is a pretty big accomplishment but one you can almost pay for now. Now, go attempt K2 and report back please. Rainier is the highest I have been. I cannot get authorization to climb McKinley. |
2012-05-22 4:25 PM in reply to: #4222893 |
Royal(PITA) 14270 West Chester, Ohio | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest Tragic.
I once worked with a Doc who did a lot of climbing and I am always impressed with the rigors of mountain climbing. |
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2012-05-22 4:26 PM in reply to: #4223662 |
Sensei Sin City | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest Other than fear of the "traffic jam" that's the big issue these days, I still think I would attempt Everest if someone paid for my ticket. |
2012-05-22 4:36 PM in reply to: #4223322 |
Expert 1566 Prattville Insane Asylum San Antonio | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest bzgl40 - 2012-05-22 2:20 PM ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 9:54 AM 4 Bodies were found on Mt. Everest this weekend after a traffic jam occurred in order to summit. I have long had a fascination with this mountain, but Mt. McKinley is the tallest I have summited. I have a desire to summit it, but at the rate it has become a business for unqualified climbers who pay the money, I would have to decline going now. Unfortunately it has become part of keeping the economy going there. I have way more desire to climb Mt McKinley then Everest. I have zero desire to actually climb Everest. It is a pretty big accomplishment but one you can almost pay for now. Now, go attempt K2 and report back please. Rainier is the highest I have been. I cannot get authorization to climb McKinley. Shoot, I would JUMP at the chance to summit K2! Unfortunately my mountaineering days are limited, especially since the only thing to do around here right now is some bouldering and a few climbs! Gosh it has been almost 15 years ago now since my McKinley expedition with my cousins. I missed my opportunity to do Ranier due to weather conditions on the mountain the last time I was up that way visiting family. We had it all planned, but fell through! |
2012-05-22 4:41 PM in reply to: #4223684 |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest I don't know if I'd enjoy climbing everest- but I know I'd enjoy the training part of it, and all the cool gear. |
2012-05-22 4:59 PM in reply to: #4223239 |
Master 2802 Minnetonka, Minnesota | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest halfpint - 2012-05-22 1:46 PM closest I got to Denali: http://www.kodakgallery.com/imaging-site/services/doc/3666:866919375209/jpeg/BG i want to climb but want to live too...sigh... Climbing it is on my bucket list. Nice pic... |
2012-05-23 8:45 AM in reply to: #4222926 |
Veteran 738 | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest ecozenmama - 2012-05-22 1:06 PM The place looks like a trash dump. Just irritating to me! One guy who said he had to suspend his trip of taking over 60 climbers due to these deaths. Really 60?? At 25,000 dollars an expedition, I guess if that's how you want to spend your money, but they are really trashing that mountain. Only $25,000? Last I saw they were generally in the $65,000-$75,000 range, plus equipment, travel, and tips (only if you survive). |
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2012-05-23 8:46 AM in reply to: #4222893 |
Champion 5312 Calgary | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest sad. People get hooked on dreams. Triathlons are bad for that. I don't get the appeal of climbing everest though. Sounds like people make it difficult, not the terrain, which seems wrong. |
2012-05-23 9:18 AM in reply to: #4222893 |
Member 603 Chicago | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest When I was stationed in Alaska, my friend and I would take trips down to denali and find smaller peaks to climb up and then I would snowboard down and he would ski. (He was training for his climb up Mckinley.) I never had any dreams to climb huge mountains and ride down but Transworld Snowboarding had an awesome article on Marco Siffredi who died while snowboarding down Everest. Siffredi climbed peaks all over the world and would snowboard down. How crazy is that? There is a picture of him on the summit of Everest in his full climbing gear and snowboard gear. It is the last picture ever taken of him but it is a jaw dropping picture. If you have time you should check out the article on transworld snowboarding.
Found the picture of Siffredi right before he took his final descent. Edited by Thomasski 2012-05-23 9:21 AM (marco-151new.jpg) Attachments ---------------- marco-151new.jpg (55KB - 14 downloads) |
2012-05-23 10:12 AM in reply to: #4222893 |
Master 3205 ann arbor, michigan | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest People are always asking when I am going to climb Everest. I think they equate triathlons with extreme, crazy activities and just assume I will be branching out. My response is always the same: I don't ever want to be that cold. Summitting Everest (or any other peak where I am hypoxic and freezing) sounds like pure misery to me. Doing an IM probably sounds like misery to some climbers. Different strokes for different folks. |
2012-05-23 10:19 AM in reply to: #4224727 |
Payson, AZ | Subject: RE: 4 Dead on Mt. Everest BigDH - 2012-05-23 6:46 AM sad. People get hooked on dreams. Triathlons are bad for that. I don't get the appeal of climbing everest though. Sounds like people make it difficult, not the terrain, which seems wrong. Well, altitude is what makes it difficult. And the main reason people become an issue up there is that many lose their ability to think clearly when deprived of oxygen and make silly mistakes or make dumb decisions. Also they get summit fever, not turning back when they should have. And if someone is struggling and folks end up behind them everyone suffers in that case as it gets single threaded up there. Summit fever has caused many a death on many mountains, not just Everest, but up there you put others at risk when it happens |
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