Another Age Grouper Doping Case - Tri This Time (Page 2)

Reading the ST thread, clearly this guy has been a rule violator for many years in Tris. Many on ST have had many encounters with him.

If you read the pdf, section 5.4 they talk about how he took T inconsistently to the chagrin of his Doctor, but he did take it regularly.

I just finished reading Tyler Hamilton's book and am saddened about the extent of doping in pro cycling. Why AGers that are doping, makes no sense to me. But I have desire to try to win or qualify for Kona.

I wonder what % of triathletes in an IM or HIM dope?

Here is what sucks for me.  I'm in the 50+ group and have been a body builder since the age of 16.  No doubt people will wonder (heck, I'm starting to think that about all the cyclists who beat me)!

KM is that you?

Take a look at the thread on ST for a very detailed analysis of this situation.  Who knows: well it appears that the governing bodies do.

Out of curiosity, is there a list of drugs that require a TUE?  I've always wondered if that is required because I use albuterol for my asthma.

I promise you the % is WAY higher than you suspect.  As I've already posted on another thread, I've had numerous conversations with guys in my AG (50-54) about it.  As far as I know, all of the guys who say they take it have a script from their doctor.  

After Shane's post I have been doing some research.....I bet a TUE is harder to get than most believe.  I was under the mistaken impression that a Doctor's prescription would suffice.

I wouldn't take it....just don't care to....but now I'm curious.  I may try to get a TUE just to see if I could.  Make no mistake, I still wouldn't take it....I'm good with where I am....but there is only one way to skin this cat, and that's to see if it can be done.

The gentleman who placed 4th at IMFL (the age group doper placed first) posted on ST.  Only three slots available, so this guy didn't get to go to Kona.

What really confuses me is that many studies show the link between taking testosterone and a greatly increase risk of cancer, prostrate in particular.  Now with Low-T therapy a money maker for the medical community, that link seems to be minimized.

I'm in triathlons for my health, love the podium, but given the choice between FOP and increasing my risk for cancer, or just being there....not even a close decision.  (heck, in some races I can only wish for MOP)!

I would suspect that lots of us are dopers and don't even realize it.  The list of prohibited or regulated substances is extensive mind boggling.  Who knows what is really in the protien powder I purchased at GNC.

For example, I take a 12 hour pseudophed (pseudoephedrine hydrocholoride) before events... have allergies and it helps keep my nose clear so I can breathe.  BUT... I recently discovered that this common cold medicine is prohibited in competition at levels over ?150 micrograms/ml.  Most of us have no idea what that means.. would I have to take a dozen cold tablets to be in violation or just one?  The WADA warns that taking the correct theraputic daily dosage of this over the coutner medication within 24hrs of competition can result in a positive (a failed drug test). 

I suspect that if we all were subjected to the same level of scrutiny that professionals are that we would have age group doping scandals left and right.

A bit of a glib response.... so you think that all age groupers should be online searching ALL the ingredients in everything you eat and everything that might be in things you eat that you are unaware of and ALL the otc medications and perscriptions you take are WADA Ok just to participate as an AG in a local tri or crit or century?  Seems a bit unrealistic.  If Contador can make a convincing case that he ate tainted beef despite having a cadre of doctors and coaches supervising his training, it is not unreasonalbe to think that many age groupers with no ill intent are on the wrong side of the doping line. 

A one year ban is a joke.

It should be a minimum of 10 years.  

As for folks taking testosterone supplements, sorry, I just don't think they deserve to podium over folks that are not supplementing.  That's just my uneducated opinion...there aren't enough of those on the internet already.

I think she's doping.  Any other reason she can do IMs year after year?

Well, as long as we're being realistic:

1. The MOP guy at the local sprint race who just ate beef with clen is not going to get tapped.  He's safe.
2. OTC and prescription meds are very easy to search, as Shane said.
3. FOP AG athletes really should be thinking about these things.  They are putting in 10-25 hours per week.  THey are probably paying close attention to what they put into their bodies.  They have time (and the obligation) to make sure that they aren't cheating.  And it really is not that hard, in real life.

Contador's case was not convincing.

No ill intent is certainly better than ill intent, but it is not an excuse.

Here is USADAs list http://www.usada.org/prohibited-list/  I don't know how this crosses over to WTC. Pseudafed is banned because in shooting they get some advantage from it.  A romanian gymnast was stripped of her gold all around medal for testing positive for pseudafed her team doc gave her for a cold not knowing it was banned (STUPID).  Tragic because it did not enhance her performance and actually hurt her performance.  Unfortunately if its bad  X sport its banned for all weather or not it would give you an edge at least at an olympic level which is really all I can speak to.

Being a BOPPER go ahead and test me.  What are they going to do?  Strip me of 2000th place for taking pseudofed when I raced am IM with a cold?  that would be a total joke.  Even if I took a true performance enhaner; which I would not do,  I would still not win or place.  Cheaters suck.  I'd rather be 2000th place honestly thankyouverymuch

First, congrats on the weight loss and I'm glad you're feeling better.  It's really pretty simple, get a TUE or you are breaking the rules.  I understand your dilemma, but don't kid yourself.  Rules are rules.  I would try to get the TUE.  At that point, if you're denied and still race, you know exactly what risk you are running.  If it were me, I don't think I would sacrifice feeling good all the time in exchange for a race.  There are plenty of options to push yourself athletically that don't involve breaking the rules.

I'm in agreement. Taking a testosterone supplement is doping. Try to get a TUE if you can. You can keep racing, but if you podium or get kona slots or anything I think DQ'ing yourself is the appropriate thing to do.

You my also be able to get permission from WTC or Rev3 to race in their events without a TUE with the understanding that you won't take any prizes/slots/etc. Laying all your cards on the table is your best bet.

Overall I agree.  I just think there is a slight difference between people trying to stack the cards in their favor vs. people doing it for legit medical reasons and I think the WTC and other bodies need to recognize this.  If I stay on the HRT I'll attempt to get a TUE.  One things for sure, I don't believe anyone will have to worry about me taking their Kona slot.....I'll be thrilled to make it under 15 hrs!  LOL!