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2006-06-28 11:52 AM

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Subject: What do you say to a DNF?

A friend of mine, old TNT and cycling buddy from upstate, attempted to do CdA this weekend. We swapped a few emails before the race, he was pumped as you might expect, gave me his tracking info so I could follow him online with the BTers doing the race.

Looking at the results earlier this week, see that he finished the bike and got through T2 well before the cutoff, but did not post a run time or a finish time, so I'm assuming he crashed and burned on the run, DNFed. Dude must be crushed, I'd like to console him and at the same time find out what happened because I'm nosy as a "lessoned learned" for the future, should I consider doing one. (Actually, I am loosely considering CdA 2008).

Any suggestions on how to approach him, or should I just let it lie until he contacts me? If it happened to you, what would you want?

 



2006-06-28 12:04 PM
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I'd contact him. Why not?

He's your friend and probably wants a good friend to talk too.

It may be uncomfortable at first, but almost everything worth the effort is.

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2006-06-28 12:04 PM
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Maybe wait another week or so until those feelings of DNF'ing start to go away....maybe contact him about something else and see if mentions it then ask....

thats something I've worried about...you tell anyone that will listen you're doing X race and the race doesn't go as plannned but you know 100 people will start asking about it....not something I want to do
2006-06-28 12:14 PM
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I think a general "are you ok?" email would be appropriate. He might actually be hurt/sick so it might not stir bad feelings from the race. Thats really unfortunate.

I think by now he might be calmed down, maybe send a note tomorrow to be sure.

He'll respond back with a little summary about what happened at least, if not more. 

2006-06-28 12:25 PM
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Just make sure you pump him up a little when you first contact him. "I'm proud of you for attempting an Ironman. That alone is an awesome accomplishment.", ETC.
2006-06-28 12:32 PM
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What? The curmudgeony Bear worried about his friend's feelings? No "suck it up, buttercup"? No "obviously you left your red bike at home"?

Seriously...a little humor might be just the way to broach it.



Edited by run4yrlif 2006-06-28 12:33 PM


2006-06-28 1:26 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-06-28 12:32 PM

What? The curmudgeony Bear worried about his friend's feelings? No "suck it up, buttercup"? No "obviously you left your red bike at home"?

Seriously...a little humor might be just the way to broach it.

I take care of my friends. It's just the black-bike buttheads on here whom I treat badly.

2006-06-28 1:31 PM
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Humor might be a good approach. Personally, I'd get really sick of the "its ok, you did great for even trying" crap. Really, I'd throw my computer.

What about nekkid bikes? I feel left out of the cook kids club now.

2006-06-28 1:34 PM
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the bear - 2006-06-28 2:26 PM
run4yrlif - 2006-06-28 12:32 PM

What? The curmudgeony Bear worried about his friend's feelings? No "suck it up, buttercup"? No "obviously you left your red bike at home"?

Seriously...a little humor might be just the way to broach it.

I take care of my friends. It's just the black-bike buttheads on here whom I treat badly.

That's more like it.  

2006-06-28 1:57 PM
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Comet - 2006-06-28 1:31 PM

Humor might be a good approach. Personally, I'd get really sick of the "its ok, you did great for even trying" crap. Really, I'd throw my computer.

What about nekkid bikes? I feel left out of the cook kids club now.

You know I love nekkid, spend most of my time on my nekkid lady. Red is faster, not necessarily better.

2006-06-28 2:30 PM
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the bear - 2006-06-28 2:57 PM

You know I love nekkid, spend most of my time on my nekkid lady. Red is faster, not necessarily better.

So when you say "ride lots"...

Heh. 



2006-06-28 2:46 PM
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The less verbiage the less chance you stumble across the one thing that might tick him off.  I'd just send something like "Are you ok?" or "How you doing?".

I'd probably stay away from "WTF?" or "So how'd you f- up this time?"

2006-06-28 3:16 PM
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Speaking from experience as a 2x IMWI DNF'r, drop him a line, and see how he's doing. If you are good enough friends, you'll know how to talk to him.

Last year, a lot of my teammates emailed me just to see how things were going. You don't have to talk or even ask about the race. Just see how he's doing. He'll talk if he wants to.

And this is a point that many will debate...

Anyone, and I mean anyone, that puts their "$ where their Is", trains for an IM, and gets to the start line IS AN IRONMAN. They just didn't have Mike Reilly tell them that.

My two cents...Mike
2006-06-28 4:00 PM
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"So how did the IM go?  I saw your results and it said DNF.  What place is that?"
2006-06-28 4:15 PM
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Actually, he just called me. Pre-race, I had mentioned to him that IF I was going to do an IM, it would be CdA, but probably not until 2008. He called expressly to talk me into signing up for 2007, which is what he is doing this evening. getting right back on the horse that threw him.

He said everything was going fine. He had a nice, almost leisurely swim. Bike course was pleasantly less hilly than he anticipated and trained for, stayed within himself the whole way, backed off when it got warmer. Ate a sandwich for lunch at about Mile 90, finished the bike and got through T2 in great shape, feeling on top of the world.

Then, about 3 miles into the run, he developed bloating in his stomach, like an intense feeling of gas, like he had to belch bad and couldn't. Feeling got worse as he ran, made it impossible to drink more than a few sips of fluid at a time. By Mile Fifteen, in addition to the hurting he was probably dehydrated as well. Stopped a volunteer, told him he was going to surrender his chip, then spewed what was left in his stomach, He thought that might make him feel better, but no such luck so he called it a day.

Anyway, he was in good spirits, ready to sign up for '07.  He said he's barely sore, so he's confident his training didn't fail him, just a fluke stomach thing. The only cause he can think of is that his Perpeteum was out in the heat for seven hours before he drank it.

Anyway, he's alright, ready to get back at it, will be doing River Cities and two HIMs later thsi year.

2006-06-28 4:28 PM
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Wow, 11 miles from finishing.  He must have really been suffering. 


2006-06-28 4:29 PM
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Well did you sign up?

Sounds like some minor tweaking of fluid intake or foot intake and he should be okay...I keep reading about how important it is...and I'm starting to believe it. Good to hear he's already back at it....(and okay)
2006-06-28 7:02 PM
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I'm a DNF from CDA 2006. Was having a fine time until last 20 minutes of bike, then nausea, dizziness, confusion, etc. T2 I spent in the med tent, and there I surrendured my chip (PLEASE TAKE MY CHIP!).

I wouldn't hesitate to ask him how it went.

After getting taste of IM race, I want more. The whole experience is insane (in a good way).

I want to do IMCDA again. The place is gorgeous!
2006-06-28 7:03 PM
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Sign up for 07 Bear.   You have 360 days to get ready for it.   <img align='middle' src='https://beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/images/emoticons/smile.gif'>
2006-06-28 8:55 PM
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If the people who know I am signed up for IMFL don't contact me afterwards to ask how I did I would feel worse.  Going in to it I realize there is a chance for all of us to DNF.  Many unforseen things can happen.  There is no disgrace in it regardless of how hard it must be to cope with (I honestly can't imagine).  I would ask your friend how he did.   Either he did okay and will want to share the experience with you, or he DNF'd and will need support from tri friends who understand his disappointment.
2006-06-28 9:02 PM
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Subject: RE: What do you say to a DNF?
Come on, you have to let us know, are we going to see your RED BIKE at CDA 07???


2006-06-28 9:04 PM
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Anyone who gets to the starting line of an iron distance race is a winner in my book! I agree with ya. Too many things can happen out of ones control between the starting line and finish line. For anyone who thinks differently, you probably dont want to hang around with them anyways, since they may be doing races for ego reasons.

I know when I crashed somehow in the half vineman 2 hours ago and was taken my ambulance to the emergency room with a concussion, broken rib, and broken collar bone, it was my first real DNF but who cares. My family sure doesnt think any less of my because a car may have hit me.

If one does things in life worrying about what others will think, or will it impress others, so be it. Its the folks that go out and try, whether they win or lose are the leaders in my book.

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2006-06-29 6:26 AM
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Also it's worth mentioning that race had over a 12% DNF rate. There's no room for shame left in you if you can step up to the start line of an IM, but there's even less for pushing it through 2/3 or more of that race.

The heat got a good number of us in one way or another, and the ones that know when to stop are the ones who will live to race another day. That shows not only the body, but the mind of a great athlete.

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2006-06-29 2:57 PM
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A good friend of mine worked his a## off getting ready for IMFL last year ( a guy with marathon and ultra-marathon background).  Somehow he blistered his feet during the bike leg.  It got worse and worse on the run until it affected his stride and caused him to cramp up.  He sat down at the special needs stop and literally couldn't stand up again.  Think he would have tried to crawl the rest of the way if his wife and two teenage sons hadn't interceded and convinced/forced him to drop out. 

The next week when I saw him I just asked him how he was doing and then let him talk.   He was okay with it all because he knew he had trained adequately and had given it his all in the race.  It was just one of those things.  The down side was that he didn't know if he would ever be able to make the physical or psychological commitment again necessary to train for an IM.

A thousand different unexpected things can go wrong in a race, but in my view none of it in any way diminishes the commitment, sacrifice and effort goes into just preparing for an IM. 

Mark 

 

2006-06-30 8:11 PM
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Subject: RE: What do you say to a DNF?
Unfortunately I can speak about DNFing from a personal experience. I trained as hard as I could for 5.5 months and DNF'd my first HIM this past May.

I wrote about my DNF. my shame and my anguish and got a lot of feedback from friends on BT.

The best type of feedback I got went something like this, "...shake it off and get up and get back in the game. I know it's tough to pour your heart into something and fall short but the true test of courage was in trying in the first place. You'll go back next year and crush the swim....get on your bike and go for ride...."

The worst feedback I got was "...oh shut up and quit feeling sorry for yourself. You trained hard and did the best you could..."

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