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2013-04-07 6:44 AM

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For various reasons my doctor has reccommend that I eliminate wheat from my diet. Not just Gluten but wheat entirely. I am currently reading Dr. William Davis Wheat belly and his wheat Belly cook book.

He claims that over the years that wheat has become so genetically altered that it no longer resembles the grain that even our grandparents ate. He claims that it contains a protien glaidin that stimultes appetite.

Anyone have any thoughts on this or experience with it.

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2013-04-07 8:19 AM
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Just want to say that you've got it backwards. "Not just gluten...wheat entirely". All wheat has gluten but gluten is bigger than wheat. So eliminating wheat is a much smaller undertaking than eliminating gluten.

I have Celiac disease so I can't eat gluten. If I didn't have a true case of Celiac I wouldn't cut wheat out. I think for most people it's a fad and it will soon be over like all other food fads. But in the meantime, I'm enjoying all the demand for GF products that make it easier for people who actually do have Celiac disease to find things to eat.

2013-04-07 10:45 AM
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christiekate - 2013-04-07 9:19 AM

Just want to say that you've got it backwards. "Not just gluten...wheat entirely". All wheat has gluten but gluten is bigger than wheat. So eliminating wheat is a much smaller undertaking than eliminating gluten.

I have Celiac disease so I can't eat gluten. If I didn't have a true case of Celiac I wouldn't cut wheat out. I think for most people it's a fad and it will soon be over like all other food fads. But in the meantime, I'm enjoying all the demand for GF products that make it easier for people who actually do have Celiac disease to find things to eat.

Verga, I think your doctor's giving you good advice.  fwiw, my son was diagnosed with Celiacs 4 years ago.  Fortunately for us his diagnosis came within 4 months of the onset of symptoms.  Anywhoo, upon the diagnosis, in solidarity with our son, we transformed our home into a gluten-free haven.  My wife and I have been 100% gluten-free since April, '09.  It's a great lifestyle that has opened me up to foods/grains I never would have tried before.

Worst-case scenario, you cut out gluten and nothing happens.  Big deal.  Nobody needs wheat, rice, barley, or malt.  Give it enough time and if you like the results, roll with it!  If you ever have any questions, shoot me a pm.  Good luck!

 

2013-04-07 11:14 AM
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After a wheat free (and dairy free) three weeks on my vacation to Thailand, eating indulgently and losing 8 lbs, I decided I liked it. I now avoid wheat and dairy all the time, but it is harder here in the US when one travels for work a lot.
2013-04-07 11:51 AM
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Another Celiac here - diagnosed in 1980. Try it and see how you feel. 
Let us know if you need any recipe or meal ideas.  
2013-04-07 12:30 PM
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christiekate - 2013-04-07 9:19 AM

Just want to say that you've got it backwards. "Not just gluten...wheat entirely". All wheat has gluten but gluten is bigger than wheat. So eliminating wheat is a much smaller undertaking than eliminating gluten.

I have Celiac disease so I can't eat gluten. If I didn't have a true case of Celiac I wouldn't cut wheat out. I think for most people it's a fad and it will soon be over like all other food fads. But in the meantime, I'm enjoying all the demand for GF products that make it easier for people who actually do have Celiac disease to find things to eat.

 

while I agree that it has become a fad, it is NOT just celiac patients who benefit from being off gluten.

Autoimmune conditions (particularly arthritis but also hashimoto's thyroiditis) often are exacerbated by gluten (and dairy and nightshades)

 

It won't hurt to go off gluten and you can see how you feel after 2-6 weeks



2013-04-07 2:02 PM
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Thank you all for the suggestions.

The wife went through the pantry yesterday and threw out everything that we couldn't donate to the food pantry (Mixed feelings about giving them something I won't eat myself).

I hit Kroger this morning and looked for wheat free products.

Did anyone know that there was organic coconut oil 17.99 for 20 ounces? I bought the non organic 4.99 for 32 ounces.

2013-04-07 6:51 PM
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Just as an FYI, there are no good gluten free beers.  My wife can't eat gluten, so we've tried several.  I'm not even really sure what gluten is, but I do know it is a vital ingredient in good tasting beer.  Don't waste your money on any beer that is gluten free.
2013-04-07 6:57 PM
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jmcconne - 2013-04-07 6:51 PM Just as an FYI, there are no good gluten free beers.  My wife can't eat gluten, so we've tried several.  I'm not even really sure what gluten is, but I do know it is a vital ingredient in good tasting beer.  Don't waste your money on any beer that is gluten free.

I disagree

I'm a big fan of Bards (darker), New Grist (lighter), New Planet (they have a raspberry ale) and especially the cider beers. Angry Orchard is one that's replacing Woodchuck in most of my local bars. It's delicious.

2013-04-07 7:54 PM
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lisac957 - 2013-04-07 5:57 PM

jmcconne - 2013-04-07 6:51 PM Just as an FYI, there are no good gluten free beers.  My wife can't eat gluten, so we've tried several.  I'm not even really sure what gluten is, but I do know it is a vital ingredient in good tasting beer.  Don't waste your money on any beer that is gluten free.

I disagree

I'm a big fan of Bards (darker), New Grist (lighter), New Planet (they have a raspberry ale) and especially the cider beers. Angry Orchard is one that's replacing Woodchuck in most of my local bars. It's delicious.

 

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2013-04-07 7:59 PM
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lisac957 - 2013-04-07 6:57 PM

jmcconne - 2013-04-07 6:51 PM Just as an FYI, there are no good gluten free beers.  My wife can't eat gluten, so we've tried several.  I'm not even really sure what gluten is, but I do know it is a vital ingredient in good tasting beer.  Don't waste your money on any beer that is gluten free.

I disagree

I'm a big fan of Bards (darker), New Grist (lighter), New Planet (they have a raspberry ale) and especially the cider beers. Angry Orchard is one that's replacing Woodchuck in most of my local bars. It's delicious.

I haven't tried New Grist, but will give that a shot. The various ciders are good, but not really beers.  They do deserve an honorable mention though.



2013-04-07 9:44 PM
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I have been off gluten (mostly) since the begining of the year- I'm not celiac but my DR said I had sensitives .... Anyway biggest thing I have noticed ( but not the only thing) is how much my memory has improved. I'm 46 and notice a huge difference!!! if I slip up and eat wheat all of a sudden I can't remember anyones name again ...
2013-04-07 9:56 PM
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lisac957 - 2013-04-07 5:57 PM

jmcconne - 2013-04-07 6:51 PM Just as an FYI, there are no good gluten free beers.  My wife can't eat gluten, so we've tried several.  I'm not even really sure what gluten is, but I do know it is a vital ingredient in good tasting beer.  Don't waste your money on any beer that is gluten free.

I disagree

I'm a big fan of Bards (darker), New Grist (lighter), New Planet (they have a raspberry ale) and especially the cider beers. Angry Orchard is one that's replacing Woodchuck in most of my local bars. It's delicious.

 

I LOVE Angry Orchard and Woodchuck Hard Ciders. Not sure about the calories in a bottle of Angry Orchard, but one 12oz bottle of Woodchuck is 190 calories. The problem is I can put down 3 bottles without blinking.....so smoooooootthh



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2013-04-08 6:40 AM
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I'm going to try this out too. I've been feeling really bad lately - draggy, low energy and stomach aches a lot. I made some pizza the other night and every time I eat a piece I get a stomach ache for the rest of the day.

Or it could just be my cooking....

 

But I have noticed this other times too and it almost seems like when my seasonal allergies kick in I have trouble with food sensitivities too.

 

 

2013-04-08 7:05 AM
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Is there any advantage to just reducing your gluten/wheat intake, as opposed to complete elimination?
2013-04-08 7:15 AM
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trigal38 - 2013-04-08 7:40 AM

I'm going to try this out too. I've been feeling really bad lately - draggy, low energy and stomach aches a lot. I made some pizza the other night and every time I eat a piece I get a stomach ache for the rest of the day.

Or it could just be my cooking....

 

But I have noticed this other times too and it almost seems like when my seasonal allergies kick in I have trouble with food sensitivities too.

 

 

 

your antibodies are just reacting to everything because of the constant barrage.

I will say that off gluten and dairy I am having a MUCH easier time of allergies - can even swim in chlorine without being congested all night!!!

Now the tree pollen is still an issue - chose to ride my trainer yesterday to avoid it....



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I had great weight lose success with it.  16 lbs in 16 days.  Too bad I had to change my diet to what seems to be a high wheat diet for the next 6 weeks.  I hope to go back to it soon.

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2013-04-08 9:50 AM
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After the Cleansing for my Colonoscopy this year TMI maybe; Get checked if you need (age/ family history) I decided to test the Gluten free thing and I can say it is pretty amazing how different I feel removing wheat products.

It has been a few weeks with two instances where I did ingest wheat, once unbeknownst to me and once just because…

Both times I experienced the uncomfortable gas bloat and “exhaust” associated with it.

Pretty amazed at the way I feel so planning on continuing the Gluten free diet...

Lisa is the 33 year vet on this subject so Lots of questions coming her way...

2013-04-08 10:49 AM
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christiekate - 2013-04-07 9:19 AM

Just want to say that you've got it backwards. "Not just gluten...wheat entirely". All wheat has gluten but gluten is bigger than wheat. So eliminating wheat is a much smaller undertaking than eliminating gluten.

I have Celiac disease so I can't eat gluten. If I didn't have a true case of Celiac I wouldn't cut wheat out. I think for most people it's a fad and it will soon be over like all other food fads. But in the meantime, I'm enjoying all the demand for GF products that make it easier for people who actually do have Celiac disease to find things to eat.

x2.  I was diagnosed with Celiac disease 4 months ago.  Don't care about wheat but definitely wouldn't have cut out barley without the diagnosis.  I loved that stuff.  

2013-04-08 11:45 AM
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This is an interesting thread.  I don't have any wheat/gluten issues, or know of any within my family, but have thought about the differences of gluten-free vs. just eating a normal diet.

One of my friends growing up had a child with some behavioral problems, and they changed to a gluten free diet and say they have seen a huge difference in their son.

Which leads me to my question:

What, if any benefit, is a gluten free diet to those without any dietary issues that they are aware?

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pilotzs - 2013-04-08 12:45 PM

This is an interesting thread.  I don't have any wheat/gluten issues, or know of any within my family, but have thought about the differences of gluten-free vs. just eating a normal diet.

One of my friends growing up had a child with some behavioral problems, and they changed to a gluten free diet and say they have seen a huge difference in their son.

Which leads me to my question:

What, if any benefit, is a gluten free diet to those without any dietary issues that they are aware?

 

it is not just dietary issues - I have NO dietary issues

but I am hypothyroid which is autoimmune - and there are implications for gluten sensitivity - where you still have symptoms of hypothyroid though dose is ok (that is what prompted me to try)

and like I said earlier in thread my seasonal allergies improved (I went off gluten and dairy so either or both implicated there). I can now swim in chlorine without spending the night with runny nose/congestion....which is miraculous as far as I am concerned.



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jmhpsu93 - 2013-04-08 6:05 AM Is there any advantage to just reducing your gluten/wheat intake, as opposed to complete elimination?

If you are one of those affected, like smoking, a little or a lot gives you negative affects. Just cutting back doesn't make much difference. All or nothing. 

There's quite a bit of debunking on the wheat belly book (bit too broad with his brush strokes) but if you have a glutten sensitivity, like a lactose sensitivity, you may notice benefits cutting it out. Jordan Rapp (IMC winner) follows that diet.

My 2 year old is allergic (tested) to dairy, wheat, barley, nuts - not strictly glutten but we follow the diet. So hard to find waffles, yogurt, bread, etc and when you do, it's 8 bucks for a normally 2 dollar loaf. Big cost and hassle to go down if glutten doesn't bother you.

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So hard to find waffles, yogurt, bread, etc and when you do, it's 8 bucks for a normally 2 dollar loaf. Big cost and hassle to go down if glutten doesn't bother you.

Any chance you Guys and Gals who have been doing this for a while can help with a list of links / products that work (for you) so we (I) can spend time training not reading (as many) lables/ searching fo websites. 

Thanks!!!

Rice Pasta? Tapioca bread? 

Maybe Dedicated Gluten Free Thread

 



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2013-04-08 3:34 PM
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christiekate - 2013-04-07 8:19 AM

Just want to say that you've got it backwards. "Not just gluten...wheat entirely". All wheat has gluten but gluten is bigger than wheat. So eliminating wheat is a much smaller undertaking than eliminating gluten.



Be careful, there is also de-glutenized wheat flour. I have a pretty severe wheat allergy and one year my husband bought me birthday treats at the gluten free bakery here (we were under the impression gluten free meant wheat free). These gluten free baked goods about landed me in the ER and took me over a week to recover. The baker was ignorant and said gluten-free means wheat free but it absolutely does not. I now have to look for gluten free & wheat free on the labels. Just wanted to warn you so you don't have to find out the way I did!

http://www.wheat-free.org/does-gluten-free-mean-it-is-always-wheat-free.html
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I was diagnosed 2 years ago and I feel great living a gluten free diet. Was a little tough in the beginning finding gluten free products, and I hate that it costs more too! Why does healthy eating have to be so expensive? I usually eat things without wheat instead of buying gluten free products.
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