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 2013-06-21 11:46 AM |
Regular 197   Tempe, AZ |  Subject: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders?Hey all...so I have been going back and forth on getting a disc wheel for a while now. I posted a while back about aerojacket vs disc wheel and got some good feedback. The net of it was, I think id prefer to go with a disc over an aerojacket. I also decided to call HED directly and ask them about their disc wheels and see how I would benefit, being a clydesdale or close to one. Let me preface this with saying I currently use a pair of Zipp 404's for racing. When I called HED, the guy asked me what I typically average in a triathlon. In my first IMAZ last year, i did just under 20 and in the marquee oly i did 21.5, which was my fastest ever. The HED rep said that riders who avg 25mph+ gain the most benefit from a disc since they are strong riders. He said for someomne like me...I would be better suited at looking at the FR 6/9 combo (the zipp equivalent of 404/808) because Since I am not as strong of a rider, i would benefit from the less rolling resistance of a rear 808 or similar wheel than a disc since a disc is heavier. What are your thoughts on this? I would be curous to hear from people who are close to my avg speed and have a disc and hear how it benefited from them. Thanks! |
| 2013-06-21 11:47 AM in reply to: amills1210 |
Extreme Veteran 3025  Maryland | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? go back to ST troll |
| 2013-06-21 11:49 AM in reply to: amills1210 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Really? Again? |
| 2013-06-21 11:51 AM in reply to: mmrocker13 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? |
| 2013-06-21 11:55 AM in reply to: gsmacleod |
| Regular 197 Tempe, AZ | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Yes I did post this same topic in SlowTwitch...posting here too in case there are people here who dont go there and may be able to provide some insight. |
| 2013-06-21 12:03 PM in reply to: amills1210 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by amills1210 Yes I did post this same topic in SlowTwitch...posting here too in case there are people here who dont go there and may be able to provide some insight. I'll save everyone the trouble http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Fo... don't know if my favorite part was when you started sending insulting PM's to everyone, or when you changed your username to try and throw people off the scent. |
| 2013-06-21 12:05 PM in reply to: amills1210 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by amills1210 The HED rep said that riders who avg 25mph+ gain the most benefit from a disc since they are strong riders. Either the rep at HED misspoke or you misunderstood the point they were trying to make. He said for someomne like me...I would be better suited at looking at the FR 6/9 combo (the zipp equivalent of 404/808) because Since I am not as strong of a rider, i would benefit from the less rolling resistance of a rear 808 or similar wheel than a disc since a disc is heavier. As above; a disc does have very slightly more rolling resistance due ot the increased mass but since the mass difference between a deep rear and disc is going to be small, the change here is going to be very small as well. The disc will take more energy to spin up to race speeds due to the increased mass but again this is a very small impact and can largely be ignored. The key point is that a disc is going to reduce your CdA; you can expect a savings in the .5s/km over a deep rear wheel for almost all riders. Shane |
| 2013-06-21 12:06 PM in reply to: amills1210 |
Expert 1484 | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? I'll bite just for fun and I refuse to go to ST. Aero > Weight for Tri's Disc > non Discs for aero The longer a rider is on the course they more they benefit from aero improvements. |
| 2013-06-21 12:06 PM in reply to: gsmacleod |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? When does the name changing and/or personal messaging start? |
| 2013-06-21 12:08 PM in reply to: magic |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by magic I'll bite just for fun and I refuse to go to ST. Man you are missing out. Some classics in that thread. Even my non-tri friends thought it was awesome. |
| 2013-06-21 12:12 PM in reply to: Leegoocrap |
Expert 1484 | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by Leegoocrap Originally posted by magic I'll bite just for fun and I refuse to go to ST. Man you are missing out. Some classics in that thread. Even my non-tri friends thought it was awesome. Actually to be honest, I have used ST for their classifieds before. I find the classifieds section quite a good experience. I refuse to go to the forums. |
| 2013-06-21 12:14 PM in reply to: magic |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by magic The longer a rider is on the course they more they benefit from aero improvements. Are you talking total time benefit or proportionate time benefit? |
| 2013-06-21 12:15 PM in reply to: magic |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by magic Originally posted by Leegoocrap Originally posted by magic I'll bite just for fun and I refuse to go to ST. Man you are missing out. Some classics in that thread. Even my non-tri friends thought it was awesome. Actually to be honest, I have used ST for their classifieds before. I find the classifieds section quite a good experience. I refuse to go to the forums. then how will you know how much of a time penalty you get for running beside a gorilla? THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF PEOPLE. |
| 2013-06-21 12:30 PM in reply to: 0 |
| Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by gsmacleod  Hope we get some nasty PM's out of this one too! Shane How come you always want in on my deal??? Me and Stover are the only ones worthy of profanity filled PMs. Step off!!!! Edited by ChrisM 2013-06-21 12:30 PM |
| 2013-06-21 12:31 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
| Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by amills1210 Yes I did post this same topic in SlowTwitch...posting here too in case there are people here who dont go there and may be able to provide some insight. I'll save everyone the trouble http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Fo... don't know if my favorite part was when you started sending insulting PM's to everyone, or when you changed your username gender to try and throw people off the scent.
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| 2013-06-21 12:34 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by ChrisM How come you always want in on my deal??? Me and Stover are the only ones worthy of profanity filled PMs. Step off!!!! Sorry; my bad. Shane |
| 2013-06-21 12:35 PM in reply to: gsmacleod |
| Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by gsmacleod Originally posted by ChrisM How come you always want in on my deal??? Me and Stover are the only ones worthy of profanity filled PMs. Step off!!!! Sorry; my bad. Shane I'll send you something dirty to make you feel better |
| 2013-06-21 12:48 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Champion 7136 Knoxville area | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by dmiller5 Originally posted by amills1210 Yes I did post this same topic in SlowTwitch...posting here too in case there are people here who dont go there and may be able to provide some insight. I'll save everyone the trouble http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowtwitch_Forums_C1/Triathlon_Fo... don't know if my favorite part was when you started sending insulting PM's to everyone, or when you changed your username gender to try and throw people off the scent.
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| 2013-06-21 1:14 PM in reply to: Leegoocrap |
Expert 1375 McAllen | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by Leegoocrap Originally posted by magic Originally posted by Leegoocrap Originally posted by magic I'll bite just for fun and I refuse to go to ST. Man you are missing out. Some classics in that thread. Even my non-tri friends thought it was awesome. Actually to be honest, I have used ST for their classifieds before. I find the classifieds section quite a good experience. I refuse to go to the forums. then how will you know how much of a time penalty you get for running beside a gorilla? THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF PEOPLE. Obviously only if said gorilla is pacing you as well. We might have to get USAT involved if there are gorilla decals, that's kinda a sensitive subject too. |
| 2013-06-21 3:16 PM in reply to: odpaul7 |
| Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Wow...I saw the ST thread within the first 4 posts and ignored it after that thinking jackmott and crew could handle the dirty work. Who would have thought? Anyway...to the OP...you're going to get the exact same answers here on BT as you will get on ST. Basically because there are a lot of people who post on both sites. |
| 2013-06-21 4:04 PM in reply to: odpaul7 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by odpaul7 But, should said gorilla ride a disc or stick with regular deep wheels?Originally posted by Leegoocrap Obviously only if said gorilla is pacing you as well. We might have to get USAT involved if there are gorilla decals, that's kinda a sensitive subject too.Originally posted by magic then how will you know how much of a time penalty you get for running beside a gorilla? THIS IS IMPORTANT STUFF PEOPLE. Originally posted by Leegoocrap Actually to be honest, I have used ST for their classifieds before. I find the classifieds section quite a good experience. I refuse to go to the forums. Originally posted by magicI'll bite just for fun and I refuse to go to ST. Man you are missing out. Some classics in that thread. Even my non-tri friends thought it was awesome. |
| 2013-06-21 4:06 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by ChrisM Frack off, Chris! There, feel better?Originally posted by gsmacleod Hope we get some nasty PM's out of this one too! Shane How come you always want in on my deal??? Me and Stover are the only ones worthy of profanity filled PMs. Step off!!!! |
| 2013-06-21 4:55 PM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Member 55 | Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Now I see what I've been missing on ST. |
| 2013-06-21 5:09 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
| Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? Originally posted by TriMyBest Originally posted by ChrisM Frack off, Chris! There, feel better? Originally posted by gsmacleod Hope we get some nasty PM's out of this one too! Shane How come you always want in on my deal??? Me and Stover are the only ones worthy of profanity filled PMs. Step off!!!! Just doesn't have the same jena se qua as f**kstick, but you're getting there! |
| 2013-06-21 5:53 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
| Subject: RE: Do disc's only benefit 25mph+ riders? I couldn't stop laughing when you mentioned you weren't sure if that was his signature...LOL |
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