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 2013-07-21 11:44 AM in reply to: Skippy74 |
Expert  1644     Oklahoma |  Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"?Originally posted by Skippy74 OK I run in Balega socks exclusively and still have this same problem and definitely had blisters doing a full IM because of the squishies. I do remember reading that someone on their blog posted about taking an older pair of their current running shoes and drilling holes through the bottoms in prep for Kona to try and avoid this problem while still using their "comfortable" shoe. I've considered it and been thinking about it again recently as the humidity has gone back through the roof! I could not imagine drilling holes in $160 pair of Hokas. |
| 2013-07-22 12:18 AM in reply to: switch |
Veteran 106 Singapore | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Originally posted by switch Originally posted by Oysterboy I have remarked that after a long run my socks and shoes are pretty moist but I don't think I can ever say I felt like they were squishy. The idea of using running shoes with drain holes (Both Zoot and K-Swiss make these too), is something to consider. I wonder if you could drill drainage holes into a pair of shoes? Could try it on an old pair... Apparently you can do this on non-tri bike shoes. (I haven't tried it) The only way to eliminate the squish is to remove the water. The only way to do that is to give it a path out. If the shoe does not have it built in then make the holes yourself. I run in Kinvaras and drill 1/8" holes in the toebox area (just did this yesterday fo my new pair). Typically 5 holes. The shoes drain out as you run. No squish. NOTE: make sure your shoe sole does not have an air pocket. I sweat similar to you. During my runs in Singapore I have soaked shoes by :45-:50. Once I drilled the holes it does not bother me no matter how long I run or how much water I dumped on my head. |
| 2013-07-22 4:57 AM in reply to: antman |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Originally posted by antman Do you drill through the insole too or take it out? Anything special about your bit? I'll tell you what guys, I have a pair of Hokas at home that I'm not crazy about. I'll try it later today and report with pics.Originally posted by switch The only way to eliminate the squish is to remove the water. The only way to do that is to give it a path out. If the shoe does not have it built in then make the holes yourself. I run in Kinvaras and drill 1/8" holes in the toebox area (just did this yesterday fo my new pair). Typically 5 holes. The shoes drain out as you run. No squish. NOTE: make sure your shoe sole does not have an air pocket. I sweat similar to you. During my runs in Singapore I have soaked shoes by :45-:50. Once I drilled the holes it does not bother me no matter how long I run or how much water I dumped on my head.Originally posted by Oysterboy I have remarked that after a long run my socks and shoes are pretty moist but I don't think I can ever say I felt like they were squishy. The idea of using running shoes with drain holes (Both Zoot and K-Swiss make these too), is something to consider. I wonder if you could drill drainage holes into a pair of shoes? Could try it on an old pair... Apparently you can do this on non-tri bike shoes. (I haven't tried it) |
| 2013-07-27 11:39 AM in reply to: colinphillips |
Master 2563 University Park, MD | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Quick update on this quest - I followed advice on here, and added (i) Balega socks, and (ii) CEP calf sleeves to my long run arsenal since last week's long run. Both weeks: 14 miles at similar intensity, similar time of day. Last week the humidity was higher: 73 vs. 67 dewpoint, and the temps were a bit higher. So the key data point is the delay between "drenched shorts" and "squishy shoes", rather than exactly when each of those disgusting thresholds was reached. Last week: drenched shorts: 5.5 miles; squishy shoes: 7 miles. This week: drenched shorts: 7.5 miles; squishy shoes: 12.5 miles. My wife burst out laughing when she saw me decked out with my halo headband, Hoka clown-shoes, and calf sleeves. But for those extra few miles with dry feet, I'll take it. |
| 2013-07-27 11:45 AM in reply to: colinphillips |
| 1300 | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Altra makes a triathlon shoe that has drain vents in them. Haven't tried them so not sure how well they work. |
| 2013-07-28 9:00 PM in reply to: MLPFS |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? OK you Hoka lovers. You can, in fact, drill Hokas for drainage. Someone had previously posted they used a 1/8ths bit. I used a 9/64ths. You may even want to go bigger. I drilled in the smooth lanes between the "traction pads" on the bottom. Spacing the holes every 1" or so.
Here's a comparison of one done, one not done.
I took the insole out. FYI, you can also drill through the insole, but I don't think that's necessary. Pic of the inside minus the insole.
Hope this helps:)
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| 2013-07-28 9:18 PM in reply to: switch |
Master 2563 University Park, MD | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Very interesting. And great how-to pix. So now all that we need is a report on what happens when you take them out for a long run on a disgustingly humid day.  |
| 2013-07-28 9:21 PM in reply to: #4808444 |
Veteran 434 Apex, NC | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? I'm having a hard time believing that moisture will leach out small holes in the sole. I did always wonder why some tri shoes had drains in them. It's not to drain water from the swim bc you have the bike in between. Don't straight runners encounter the same issues? They dont have drains. But I could be incredibly wrong. Maybe the drains (factory installed or drilled) do make a difference. Anyway, here is my baseline. I ran 14 this afternoon in 87 degree NC heat and started squishing at about mile 8. I wore my tri kit rather than running shorts and shirt bc I was inspired by the other thread on singlets and I must say that I was much more comfortable. So next time I will buy those socks everyone is recommending and wear compression calf sleeves and see how it compares. I'm going to wait on drilling holes in my shoes. |
| 2013-07-28 9:49 PM in reply to: colinphillips |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Originally posted by colinphillips Very interesting. And great how-to pix. So now all that we need is a report on what happens when you take them out for a long run on a disgustingly humid day. :) Yeah, right? I usually don't wear my Hokas because I (gasp!) don't like them :) I do wear them when I'm gonna run on gravel, but for long runs I really try not to do that. Couple of things: 1) You can absolutely make the holes bigger, but why not start at this scale and go up if needed? (You can always cut your board too short and then glue it back together...) 2) I can very confidently say that drilling your shoes will not hurt them. I examined them carefully--no problems. Promise:) |
| 2013-07-29 7:14 AM in reply to: switch |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Another update. I decided one way to test the drainage would be to just fill the shoe up with water. Duh. Filled the shoe completely with water--right up to the place where the ankle padding thickens and comes in a bit. It took exactly 56 seconds for the shoe to drain completely. Of course, your shoe will never be full of water, and you'll be forcefully expelling the water/sweat with every footstrike. Drill the freakin holes! It will solve your problems:) |
| 2013-07-29 8:30 AM in reply to: switch |
Master 2563 University Park, MD | Subject: RE: Running in heat - how to avoid "squishy shoes"? Originally posted by switch Another update. I decided one way to test the drainage would be to just fill the shoe up with water. Duh. Filled the shoe completely with water--right up to the place where the ankle padding thickens and comes in a bit. It took exactly 56 seconds for the shoe to drain completely. Of course, your shoe will never be full of water, and you'll be forcefully expelling the water/sweat with every footstrike. Drill the freakin holes! It will solve your problems Fantastic! |
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