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2013-09-02 8:57 AM in reply to: Guest |
Melon Presser 52116 | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by wwlani So the whole Yanti crashing on her bike multiple times during the course got me thinking (and we don't have all the details yet) but WHY didn't anyone stop and help her and/or make her (can one make Yanti do ANYTHING?) get medical attention? So, if it were you, IM or any distance race and you saw someone crash would you stop or just leave them on the side of the road to fend for themselves? You can pick only 1 option... I have, and I would. If it's clear they stopped because they're busy with a mechanical, or there are volunteers/medics already there or rushing there in case of emergency, then no. First crash was at Special Needs and there were two medics helping me when I came to. There was a language barrier but they let me continue when I could say my race number and name and I was able to get up. Second crash was because saddle bag clasp had broken in 1st crash and fell into back wheel via the brakes. Stop for repairs and check equipment, couldn't get saddlebag to stay on by any means, abandoned it. Third crash I don't remember, but I came to in some bushes at the bottom of a descent. Unless someone had seen me crash, they may not have seen me when they passed by. The course was all curves and corners--almost no straightaways and no long ones--so you couldn't really keep track of where other riders were because they'd disappear and also you had to be extremely focused on course. Horrible weather, steep switchback descents, low visibility. It was also almost all in rural areas. Even the town is tiny. It really is nowhere. This was also the first time in my life I've ever really listened to anybody regarding medical advice/attention. When I eventually got back from the hospital, my boyfriend (on Skype) put his foot down when I looked awful and wasn't making any sense and yelled that he'd been waiting for me for 45 years and he wasn't going to lose me now, so ... I went back. And I'm taking it easy now. {MELON PRESS} Lani ... whether you need assistance or not. More later as I and things become clearer. |
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2013-09-02 9:23 AM in reply to: mehaner |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by mehaner Originally posted by pga_mike Can I say "No" and still be a good guy? Mind you, I'm not saying that I wouldn't. I'm just asking if everyone would attack me if I said that I would ride to the next rest stop and alert them. I generally keep moving and call out "are you ok?" Every time the person has said "yeah" and I've continued on. Not really sure what I could do if they said "No please help me!" hand off a spare tube...and that's about it...so I guess we're in the same boat. I don't carry a phone while racing, I don't carry lots of nutrition cause I race short course and live off the course...I'm an engineer not a doctor dammit... I was thinking about this yesterday and even though I don't have medical training - if I were a witness to a crash (which was the original question) I'd think my account could be valuable, especially if another party (car, rider) was involved. If I rode off I'd probably never see them again and my eye witness account would be lost. I could also probably help put pressure on a wound to slow bleeding, call for another rider to get help, and help calm someone down without being a doctor or nurse. |
2013-09-02 9:35 AM in reply to: 0 |
Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? At one race I saw someone asking "Anyone have a spare CO2?" I stopped and gave him one of mine then got on and started riding again. Then realized he didn't know how to attach it to his inflator, it required threaded. So I inflated his tire for him, handed him the empty CO2 cartridge and went back to the ride. For medical, it wouldn't even be a question. Worst case I can keep someone amused until medics show up. (edit) If they were in pretty good shape, just couldn't keep going with the bike they had, I'd get back going and tell the next aid station someone needs help and approximately where they were. Edited by DanielG 2013-09-02 9:36 AM |
2013-09-02 9:38 AM in reply to: pga_mike |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by pga_mike Can I say "No" and still be a good guy? Mind you, I'm not saying that I wouldn't. I'm just asking if everyone would attack me if I said that I would ride to the next rest stop and alert them. I have no issue with you saying "no", because the question is too vague. It doesn't specify enough about the situation. If they are on their feet, and just appear a little scratched up, then I just slow and ask if they need help. If they say "yes", I stop. If they say "no", then keep going. If they're lying on the ground in a pool of blood and not moving, and you're first on the scene, then IMO, not stopping is immoral. There's a wide range of situations between the two extremes where it becomes more of a judgement call. |
2013-09-02 9:40 AM in reply to: 0 |
Expert 1148 Santa Fe, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? I would. I stopped to give another racer a tube at my last 1/2. I'd stop especially if they were down or hurt.
Even if you're not trained medically you know to use pressure to stop bleeding, and you should know CPR. And sometimes just a compassionate caring look at their condition could be what is needed. Your opinion could be a very good thing. If you stopped and they were clearly out of it, and you could convince them to wait for medical help you could save their life. edit to add ^^ Trymybest sums up the variations well. Edited by jashac 2013-09-02 9:42 AM |
2013-09-02 9:48 AM in reply to: mehaner |
Iron Donkey 38643 , Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? While I was a run Marshal volunteer for either IM WI 2011 or 2012, I asked a very visibly ailing runner coming towards me if he was okay and he said that he'd be fine. I kept checking on him until he was out of my sight. Less than 2 minutes later, somebody came running down (another volunteer or spectator) from where the guy collapsed to tell me that a runner was down and having problems. I ran up to where he was and noted it was the same guy. Two very helpful spectators and myself attended him as best as we could. What was great was that another racer, who was a doctor, did stop and help, too. He spent probably close to 10 minutes with us until the Police and then medical assistance arrived. I was quite pizzed that I couldn't get medical assistance quicker for this guy. He was shivering badly and throwing up from hypothermia and dehydration. The situation could've been much worse. |
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2013-09-02 10:00 AM in reply to: lisac957 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by lisac957 Originally posted by mehaner Originally posted by pga_mike Can I say "No" and still be a good guy? Mind you, I'm not saying that I wouldn't. I'm just asking if everyone would attack me if I said that I would ride to the next rest stop and alert them. I generally keep moving and call out "are you ok?" Every time the person has said "yeah" and I've continued on. Not really sure what I could do if they said "No please help me!" hand off a spare tube...and that's about it...so I guess we're in the same boat. I don't carry a phone while racing, I don't carry lots of nutrition cause I race short course and live off the course...I'm an engineer not a doctor dammit... I was thinking about this yesterday and even though I don't have medical training - if I were a witness to a crash (which was the original question) I'd think my account could be valuable, especially if another party (car, rider) was involved. If I rode off I'd probably never see them again and my eye witness account would be lost. I could also probably help put pressure on a wound to slow bleeding, call for another rider to get help, and help calm someone down without being a doctor or nurse. but we banned compassion and fun at races |
2013-09-02 10:58 AM in reply to: mehaner |
17 | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? hmm do they have on say a Duke shirt? kidding, I'd stop and help or rather I'd stop but mostly get in the way but its the thought right? |
2013-09-02 3:28 PM in reply to: TriMyBest |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by TriMyBest +1, exactly thisOriginally posted by pga_mike Can I say "No" and still be a good guy? Mind you, I'm not saying that I wouldn't. I'm just asking if everyone would attack me if I said that I would ride to the next rest stop and alert them. I have no issue with you saying "no", because the question is too vague. It doesn't specify enough about the situation. If they are on their feet, and just appear a little scratched up, then I just slow and ask if they need help. If they say "yes", I stop. If they say "no", then keep going. If they're lying on the ground in a pool of blood and not moving, and you're first on the scene, then IMO, not stopping is immoral. There's a wide range of situations between the two extremes where it becomes more of a judgement call. |
2013-09-02 3:32 PM in reply to: mehaner |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? My coach has always said that the BEST thing that you can do for an injured triathlete is to hustle to the next volunteer / bottle swap / whatever and have them get on the radio to get trained medical to the person ASAP. All that I could do is hold their hand. By the way, if you see me injured on the side of the road, and you: a) Don't have medical training b) Don't have a way to call for help Hustle your butt to someone who can get me a trained medical expert. Thanks! |
2013-09-02 3:50 PM in reply to: pga_mike |
Master 1929 Midlothian, VA | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Helping isn't going to change my time much. Sometimes theirs either apparently.... And what's a couple more minutes on a DFL anyway? I encountered a cyclist during a sprint sitting on the ground, dazed and bleeding from his forehead. A couple other racers sat down with him and knowing he was being attended to, I continued on the course looking for the next volunteer or cop. Didn't have to go far as it was in a residential neighborhood with lots of intersections being controlled. Not long after relaying the information to someone with a phone or radio, I saw a sheriff's department vehicle headed back that way with lights and siren on. Saw the dude later. Apparently they cleaned him up a little, he got his bearings back and continued on. And, oh, he was finished already when I got there! Yup. I'm slow. People wipe out, get hurt, bleed all over the place and then pass me again! Takes a lot to knock a triathlete out of a race! We're a stubborn bunch. |
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2013-09-02 6:40 PM in reply to: Pector55 |
2013-09-02 8:59 PM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? I would stop to make sure they were OK. If they were coherent and getting back on their bike, I wouldn't call for medical attention. If the person was passed out and not moving, I would tell someone to tell a volunteer to send medics, so I wouldn't have to leave them alone. Edited by KSH 2013-09-02 8:59 PM |
2013-09-02 9:00 PM in reply to: pga_mike |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by pga_mike My coach has always said that the BEST thing that you can do for an injured triathlete is to hustle to the next volunteer / bottle swap / whatever and have them get on the radio to get trained medical to the person ASAP. All that I could do is hold their hand. By the way, if you see me injured on the side of the road, and you: a) Don't have medical training b) Don't have a way to call for help Hustle your butt to someone who can get me a trained medical expert. Thanks! Good advice! |
2013-09-02 10:14 PM in reply to: blbriley |
Veteran 379 | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by blbriley I have and I will. This is a hobby. exactly. My best memory from a race was seeing a guy sitting on the side of the road waiting for the sag truck because he didn't have a tube or tire wrench. I stopped and gave him mine. later on the run, I saw him again. he gave my wheel wrench back and hugged me. it took two minutes of my time. it made the difference of finishing v not finishing to him |
2013-09-03 8:00 AM in reply to: Guest |
Master 1440 | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Several years ago my wife took a nasty spill on her bike during a practice ride. Broke her nose and both arms. half a dozen people stopped and got a hold of me and an ambulance for her. Gotta pay that kindness back. |
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2013-09-03 9:43 AM in reply to: sheesleeva |
Pro 5755 | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by sheesleeva Originally posted by blbriley I have and I will. This is a hobby. exactly. My best memory from a race was seeing a guy sitting on the side of the road waiting for the sag truck because he didn't have a tube or tire wrench. I stopped and gave him mine. later on the run, I saw him again. he gave my wheel wrench back and hugged me. it took two minutes of my time. it made the difference of finishing v not finishing to him I've had this happen to me too. Gave someone tire irons and a CO2. After the race I got all that back and a beer. It always pays to be nice. |
2013-09-03 9:46 AM in reply to: Guest |
Master 2725 Washington, DC Metro | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? I'd stop. I've only come across this situation once and I didn't stop, but it was someone crashing (strong word) on the bike coming out of T1, so there was plenty of help. |
2013-09-03 10:38 AM in reply to: Sous |
Champion 5376 PA | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Stopping for some of you is much different than stopping for me. I'm so slow that I really don't need to "stop" to fully assess the situation, perform CPR, attach a split, call for help, etc without affecting my time. Ah the advantages of being a lumbering clyde. |
2013-09-03 10:38 AM in reply to: Sous |
164 | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? I have some first aid training so I would definitely stop unless there were emergency personnel on scene. If there are others there and they have it under control I would leave after assessing the situation...If not I would stay until emergency personnel arrive. |
2013-09-03 10:46 AM in reply to: k1200rsvt |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? I'd stop, have before and will again, because I really couldn't care less about my race time....but I have no problem with the people who don't.... it's probably reasonable to assume they WILL get help. BTW, these threads always crack me up......there is nobody who said they wouldn't at least yell out to see if someone was ok.....but in real life, I've seen a lot of crashes where a lot of people rode by without doing or saying anything......I guess they haven't found BT yet. |
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2013-09-03 11:00 AM in reply to: Pector55 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by Pector55 Stopping for some of you is much different than stopping for me. I'm so slow that I really don't need to "stop" to fully assess the situation, perform CPR, attach a split, call for help, etc without affecting my time. Ah the advantages of being a lumbering clyde. you can do CPR while moving? wow! |
2013-09-03 11:28 AM in reply to: mehaner |
Champion 34263 Chicago | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? I wouldn't stop and help because I was told that I am supposed to be racing. |
2013-09-03 11:28 AM in reply to: 0 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by tarmac52 My answer comes easy - 'what would God want me to do" Well? I've stopped. I was first one that rode up to a guy that didn't heed the "Slow down, sharp corner" screams of a well-placed volunteer. Guy overshot and ended up in a ditch near what might have been a barbed wire fence. I rode back to him and asked if he was ok. He was coherent but banged up and still laying on the ground. Told him I was going to get help. Rode back to the volunteer, they didn't have communications, but they told me there was a Sheriff's deputy up the road. So I rode back, screamed at the guy I was going to get help again. By they time I got to the deputy, he was heading back to the rider. So, someone else had been mindful enough to alert the deputy. Two gold stars. So, in a similar situation, I would do it again. But, as mentioned, under less serious-looking circumstances, I might act differently. Edited by Goosedog 2013-09-03 11:30 AM |
2013-09-03 12:22 PM in reply to: Goosedog |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Would you stop and help? Originally posted by Goosedog Originally posted by tarmac52 My answer comes easy - 'what would God want me to do" Well? I wanted to respond to that earlier but it would be a thread hijacking and a noah's ark scale so i skipped it. |
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