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2006-07-28 10:04 AM

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Some people are just too damn uptight. How can you be offended about breastfeeding? I think all new mom's that are breastfeeding should keep a bottle filled with breast milk and if anyone give you an attitude about breast feeding then squirt them in the eyes with the bottle.

NEW YORK (AP) -- "I was SHOCKED to see a giant breast on the cover of your magazine," one person wrote. "I immediately turned the magazine face down," wrote another. "Gross," said a third.

These readers weren't complaining about a sexually explicit cover, but rather one of a baby nursing, on a wholesome parenting magazine -- yet another sign that Americans are squeamish over the sight of a nursing breast, even as breast-feeding itself gains more support from the government and medical community.

Babytalk is a free magazine whose readership is overwhelmingly mothers of babies. Yet in a poll of more than 4,000 readers, a quarter of responses to the cover were negative, calling the photo -- a baby and part of a woman's breast, in profile -- inappropriate.

One mother who didn't like the cover explains she was concerned about her 13-year-old son seeing it.

"I shredded it," said Gayle Ash, of Belton, Texas, in a telephone interview. "A breast is a breast -- it's a sexual thing. He didn't need to see that."

It's the same reason that Ash, 41, who nursed all three of her children, is cautious about breast-feeding in public -- a subject of enormous debate among women, which has even spawned a new term: "lactivists," meaning those who advocate for a woman's right to nurse wherever she needs to.

"I'm totally supportive of it -- I just don't like the flashing," she said. "I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see."

Another mother, Kelly Wheatley, wrote Babytalk to applaud the cover, precisely because, she said, it helps educate people that breasts are more than sex objects. And yet Wheatley, 40, who's still nursing her 3-year-old daughter, rarely breast-feeds in public, partly because it's more comfortable in the car, and partly because her husband is uncomfortable with other men seeing her breast.

"Men are very visual," said Wheatley, of Amarillo, Texas. "When they see a woman's breast, they see a breast -- regardless of what it's being used for."

Babytalk editor Susan Kane says the mixed response to the cover clearly echoes the larger debate over breast-feeding in public. "There's a huge Puritanical streak in Americans," she said, "and there's a squeamishness about seeing a body part -- even part of a body part."

"It's not like women are whipping them out with tassels on them," she added. "Mostly, they are trying to be discreet."

Kane said that since the August issue came out last week, the magazine has received more than 700 letters -- more than for any article in years.

"Gross, I am sick of seeing a baby attached to a boob," wrote Lauren, a mother of a 4-month-old.

The evidence of public discomfort isn't just anecdotal. In a survey published in 2004 by the American Dietetic Association, less than half -- 43 percent -- of 3,719 respondents said women should have the right to breast-feed in public places.

The debate rages at a time when the celebrity-mom phenomenon has made breast-feeding perhaps more public than ever. Gwyneth Paltrow, Brooke Shields, Kate Hudson and Kate Beckinsale are only a few of the stars who've talked openly about their nursing experiences.

The celeb factor has even brought a measure of chic to that unsexiest of garments: the nursing bra. Gwen Stefani can be seen on babyrazzi.com -- a site with a self-explanatory name -- sporting a leopard-print version from lingerie line Agent Provocateur.

And fellow moms recognized a white one under Angelina Jolie's tank top on the cover of People. (Katie Holmes, meanwhile, suffered a maternity wardrobe malfunction when cameras caught her, nursing bra open and peeking out of her shirt, while on the town with fiance Tom Cruise.)

More seriously, the social and medical debate has intensified. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services recently concluded a two-year breast-feeding awareness campaign including a TV ad -- criticized as over-the-top even by some breast-feeding advocates -- in which not breast-feeding was equated with the recklessness of a pregnant woman riding a mechanical bull.

There have been other measures to promote breast-feeding: In December, for example, Massachusetts banned hospitals from giving new mothers gift bags with free infant formula, a practice opponents said swayed some women away from nursing.

Most states now have laws guaranteeing the right to breast-feed where one chooses, and when a store or restaurant employee denies a woman that right, it has often resulted in public protests known as "nurse-ins": at a Starbucks in Miami, Florida, at Victoria's Secret stores in Racine, Wisconsin, and Boston, Massachusetts, and, last year, outside ABC headquarters in New York, when Barbara Walters made comments on "The View" seen by some women to denigrate breast-feeding in public.

"It's a new age," says Melinda Johnson, a registered dietitian and spokesperson for ADA. "With the government really getting behind breast-feeding, it's been a jumping-off point for mothers to be politically active. Mommies are organizing. It's a new trend to be a mommy activist."

Ultimately, it seems to be a highly personal matter. Caly Wood said she's "all for breast-feeding in public." She recalls with a shudder the time she sat nursing in a restaurant booth, and another woman walked by, glanced over and said, "Ugh, gross."

"My kid needed to eat," said the 29-year-old from South Abingdon, Massachusetts. And she wasn't going to go hide in a not-so-clean restroom: "I don't send people to the bathroom when they want to eat," she said.

But Rebekah Kreutz thinks differently. One of six women who author SisterhoodSix, a blog on mothering issues, Kreutz didn't nurse her two daughters in public and doesn't really feel comfortable seeing others do it.

"I respect it and think women have the right," says Kreutz, 34, of Bozeman, Montana. "But personally, it makes me really uncomfortable."

"I just think it's one of those moments that should stay between a mother and her child."

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2006-07-28 10:08 AM
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This makes me so angry I can't even respond coherently right now.  People are such idiots.

"There have been other measures to promote breast-feeding: In December, for example, Massachusetts banned hospitals from giving new mothers gift bags with free infant formula, a practice opponents said swayed some women away from nursing."

Yea!!  one more reason to want to move home.  I hate when my pediatrician gives out formula samples and literature.



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2006-07-28 10:10 AM
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And yet Wheatley, 40, who's still nursing her 3-year-old daughter


WHAT!?!?
2006-07-28 10:13 AM
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Holy crap. These people are absolute perverts if they see breastfeeding (which I think is a sacred thing) and deem it sexual.
2006-07-28 10:17 AM
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ROBIT79 - 2006-07-28 9:04 AM

"I'm totally supportive of it -- I just don't like the flashing," she said. "I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see."

"Men are very visual," said Wheatley, of Amarillo, Texas. "When they see a woman's breast, they see a breast -- regardless of what it's being used for."



Umm... What breast have I ever NOT wanted to see...

I don't get what the big deal is. Get over it, people. Breastfeeding is a very natural thing. Sorry if you don't think it's appropriate.

And what kind of statement is that second one? Um, yeah. I knew it was a breast when I saw it. Didn't think it was an elbow. Duh?! And why does this woman think she needs to interpret what a man sees? What a tool.

Ladies, unfortunately the only publicity goes to those who apparently are offended by your lactation. I will speak for those of us who think it's no big deal. I am also squarely in the group that doesn't feel the need to stare and make you uncomfortable about doing it in public!
2006-07-28 10:19 AM
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I'm glad to see I'm not the only one upset about this. My wife was unable to breast feed after a couple of days. Hereditary issue where she was unable to produce a sufficient amount of milk.

One mother who didn't like the cover explains she was concerned about her 13-year-old son seeing it. (Unless you live in a cabin in the mountains with no calbe tv or internet, your son has seen much more than a woman breastfeeding.)



2006-07-28 10:24 AM
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You see a lot less of my boob when I'm nursing in public than you see on Maxim, Men's Health, even People.
2006-07-28 10:29 AM
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kimj81 - 2006-07-28 10:13 AM

Holy crap. These people are absolute perverts if they see breastfeeding (which I thinkĀ is a sacred thing) and deem it sexual.


Exactly. It's baby having lunch. That's what boobs are for.

When people breastfeed around me without a drape, all I really see is the baby's head, anyway.

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MomX3 - 2006-07-28 11:24 AM You see a lot less of my boob when I'm nursing in public than you see on Maxim, Men's Health, even People.

Ahhh Maxim, I'm cancelling my subscription so I can afford Triathlete magazine. I originally bought it for the "how to" articles. Some of the things were great, but now its gotten very juvenille. I miss the days of shooting potatoes 1/2 mile away. (ok, maybe it was always a juvenille magazine.) But they always stand up for the right of a mother to breastfeed anywhere she wants.

2006-07-28 10:39 AM
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Breast feeding is offensive??  Jees, next they'll say that seeing Janet Jackson with a stuck-on pasty is offensive.

 

2006-07-28 10:45 AM
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Breast feeding is offensive??  Jees, next they'll say that seeing Janet Jackson with a stuck-on pasty is offensive.

You know... 62% of all mothers breastfeed their babies.



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Breast feeding is offensive??  Jees, next they'll say that seeing Janet Jackson with a stuck-on pasty is offensive.

You know... 62% of all mothers breastfeed their babies.

Living here in South Beach, I can state that were I the offspring of many of the beach goers here, I would breast feed for life.

 

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MomX3 - 2006-07-28 11:08 AM

This makes me so angry I can't even respond coherently right now.  People are such idiots.

"There have been other measures to promote breast-feeding: In December, for example, Massachusetts banned hospitals from giving new mothers gift bags with free infant formula, a practice opponents said swayed some women away from nursing."

Yea!!  one more reason to want to move home.  I hate when my pediatrician gives out formula samples and literature.

For those that can't breastfeed those items are a blessing. Formula is sooooo expensive. Atleast the ones that have 99.9% of the nutriants and vitamins of natural breast milk.

2006-07-28 10:50 AM
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Breast feeding is offensive??  Jees, next they'll say that seeing Janet Jackson with a stuck-on pasty is offensive.

You know... 62% of all mothers breastfeed their babies.

Living here in South Beach, I can state that were I the offspring of many of the beach goers here, I would breast feed for life.

If you like sucking on silicone I guess. You'd be hungry...

OK, I apologize for the hijack. Seriously.

2006-07-28 10:51 AM
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Yea, screw how other people feel!  They are just plain wrong.  If they have a problem with something, that's their problem!  If they don't want to see someone breastfeeding in public, they just shouldn't look!  And all Americans are just so uptight.  They all need to get over it.  And if you don't breastfeed you are just selfish and wrong.  And if you do breastfeed and do it too long you are a freak.  And so on. 

It's so nice that someone has all the answers on how everyone else should feel and live.   

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Breast feeding is offensive??  Jees, next they'll say that seeing Janet Jackson with a stuck-on pasty is offensive.

You know... 62% of all mothers breastfeed their babies.

Living here in South Beach, I can state that were I the offspring of many of the beach goers here, I would breast feed for life.

If you like sucking on silicone I guess. You'd be hungry...

OK, I apologize for the hijack. Seriously.

I would die of starvation with a smile on my face 

 



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I just saw the article with the pic. And it's a very sweet picture. But damn that IS a giant boob.
2006-07-28 11:10 AM
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Are we talking about the same cover on babytalk? I can't even tell if that's a breast. It could be a knee for all I know....
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tmwelshy - 2006-07-28 12:10 PM Are we talking about the same cover on babytalk? I can't even tell if that's a breast. It could be a knee for all I know....

You don't know the difference between a breast and a knee?  

2006-07-28 11:21 AM
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they formula companies aren't giving out free formula out of the goodness of thier hearts. if they were, why do they need to give it to ALL women just to be nice to the few women who want to breastfeed but can't. why not stock supplies with the lactation specialists to give out to women who have tried everything to breastfeed and have been unsuccessful??

they are doing it so that they can make money. women start breastfeeding, day four it starts to hurt, there's the easy formula waiting in a can, they switch to that for a couple days while their breasts heal, and surprise - when the baby has been on the bottle for a couple days, the milk supply is cut in half. then they HAVE to keep supplimenting with forumula.

i have friends who have been unable to nurse for one reason or another, and i KNOW formula is very expensive. if you go to the big chain grocery stores, the two things under lock and key are cigarettes and formula.
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tmwelshy - 2006-07-28 12:10 PM Are we talking about the same cover on babytalk? I can't even tell if that's a breast. It could be a knee for all I know....

You don't know the difference between a breast and a knee?  

He also doesn't know the difference between and a** and a *ahem* country.

Ok, I'm so over the top today...



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hey, the global age of weaning is age 4. the world health organization says women should nurse AT LEAST until age 2. american academy of pediatrics says AT LEAST until age 1.

my oldest daughter self-weaned at age 2. fiona still asks to nurse, so she is still in the process of weaning (she hasn't nursed in almost 2 weeks - but its still an ongoing process), so she may be nursing on and off until her 3rd birthday next month.

WE ARE CALLED MAMMALS FOR A REASON, PEOPLE! THEY ARE NOT JUST FUN BAGS! THEY HAVE A PURPOSE!
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tmwelshy - 2006-07-28 12:10 PM Are we talking about the same cover on babytalk? I can't even tell if that's a breast. It could be a knee for all I know....

You don't know the difference between a breast and a knee?  

 

I know that one I can play with for hours - and breasts are cool too.

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Welshy, seriously get your eyes checked out. You might have a detached retina.

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tmwelshy - 2006-07-28 12:10 PM Are we talking about the same cover on babytalk? I can't even tell if that's a breast. It could be a knee for all I know....

You don't know the difference between a breast and a knee?  

He also doesn't know the difference between and a** and a *ahem* country.

Ok, I'm so over the top today...

 

I'm not sure what that means....

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