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2006-07-28 11:30 AM
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"I shredded it," said Gayle Ash, of Belton, Texas, in a telephone interview. "A breast is a breast -- it's a sexual thing. He didn't need to see that."

To Gayle Ash and all the others who took offence to the photo of a child breastfeeding: "GET THAT STICK OUT OF YOUR REAR !"  How can anyone in their right mind think that a breastfeeding child is SEXUAL?  That is simply sick!  As for you Gayle Ash, your 13 year son gets to see a big T*T every day ... YOU!



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2006-07-28 11:32 AM
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in minnesota, it isn't a matter of being offensive or not - ITS THE LAW! we actually have a law. i have a shirt with the law printed on it for when i was breastfeeding in public.

"Minnesota Statute Section 145.905 - A mother may breast-feed in ANY location, public or private, where the mother and child are otherwise authorized to be, irrespective of whether the nipple of the mother's breast is uncovered during or incidental to the breast-feeding.'

i actually NEVER had a negative comment about breastfeeding in public. at christmas one year, i got a dirty look from someone in a restaurant we had stopped at on the way to grandma's house. if they had said anything i would have said 'what the heck do you think jesus ate? forumula?' never got to use it, but i always liked that one. another time, a good friend and i were at a border's cafe having coffee and nursing our kids. a woman walked up to us and i feared the worse, but she was awesome 'that is so sweet, i nursed my kids and i miss it.' that made my day





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2006-07-28 11:35 AM
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All this talk is making me hungry... I am going to lunch
2006-07-28 11:40 AM
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Ok...I"m kinda on the fence here.  I think that it's perfectly natural and HEALTHY to breast-feed.  Granted, I think a 3-yr old is much, but I'm not a doctor. 

I also think that, unfortunately, Americans in general think any part of the human body exposed is Pornography.  Case in point, Ascroft covering up Lady Liberty's breast so it wouldn't be exposed during his interviews.  I think it's because he didn't want a bigger boob than him shown...but I digress!

I was in a restaurant and a mother at the table next to us commenced to breast feed.  I shook my head in disapproval at the sight of this.  Not because I was offended or thought that someone might see a breast (forbid), but because I didn't think it was an appropriate setting.  Same way that I wouldn't want someone changing a diaper at the table next to me while I'm ordering dinner. 

I think that if you make a choice to have a child and take it in public, you have a certain number of "hinderances".  If you go to a movie, you can't sit in the back middle row because your kid might cry, you change a diaper in a proper setting, and I think that breast feeding falls into this category. 

I'm all for the right to do it.  But just because you choose to breast feed, I think you still have an obligation to those around you.  And the comment on the formula.  Imagine that...companies giving away free stuff so you buy their product...WOW.  I think that doctors should give the formula AND discuss breast feeding.  Just like talking about Abstinance and learning about Birth Control.  Not mutually exclusive...it's all about Options.

I know...You're a guy...what do you know... Perhaps...Flame me if you'd like. 

2006-07-28 11:41 AM
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My wife Cornelia and youngest shortly after he was born.

Here's more from his birth last year. 





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2006-07-28 11:43 AM
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When my first child was a newborn, we went out to dinner one night. I had not breastfed him in public yet, and I was nervous. So I went in the bathroom. I came out, and decided I was never, ever going to feed my child in a public bathroom ever again. By the fourth kid, I would just whip it out wherever I was. Kid's gotta eat.


2006-07-28 11:43 AM
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i still love the look on your wife's face in that nursing picture. that is the joy of birth and motherhood, right there!
2006-07-28 11:45 AM
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I LOVE YOU! i did the same thing. i had breast fed in public many times, but we were out to dinner with my father in law, his wife (who hadn't breast fed), her son and daughter in law. i wasn't sure what they would think, so i went to nurse in the bathroom. WTF? after that i vowed never to do it again.
2006-07-28 11:51 AM
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Marvarnett - 2006-07-28 9:40 AM

I was in a restaurant and a mother at the table next to us commenced to breast feed.  I shook my head in disapproval at the sight of this.  Not because I was offended or thought that someone might see a breast (forbid), but because I didn't think it was an appropriate setting.  Same way that I wouldn't want someone changing a diaper at the table next to me while I'm ordering dinner. 

If a kid can't eat in a restaurant, where can he?!

2006-07-28 11:51 AM
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My baby getting fed is more important than your discomfort.  I will not banish myself from social situations for years at a time because I have a baby that needs FOOD.
2006-07-28 11:51 AM
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I for one, could care less if a mother breast feeds, uses formula, uses both, breast feeds in public/private/on a plane/in the rain/in a box/with a fox/etc.

Seriously. I'm not so puritanical to think that a bare breast will 'stir the fire in my loins'

Now, the rock and roll music? That is another discussion....



2006-07-28 11:51 AM
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I agree that breast feeding is natural and beautiful and must be done.  Using that same logic, I also see urination as natural (although not beautiful) and lobby for the idea that, "Hey, if I gotta go, I gotta go" and pee at the nearest tree or bush despite passing pedestrians.

 

2006-07-28 11:52 AM
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Marvarnett - 2006-07-28 11:40 AM

Ok...I"m kinda on the fence here. I think that it's perfectly natural and HEALTHY to breast-feed. Granted, I think a 3-yr old is much, but I'm not a doctor.



why is 3 years too much? did you know that the longer a child nurses, the less his chances are of having asthma, allergies, being obese, having typw 2 diabetes, and his IQ goes up? the longer a woman breast feeds, the less her chance of developing breast cancer? so, it would seem that 'extended' breastfeeding would be the norm, not the exception. its the attitude that breastfeeding should be limited to the first 6 weeks of life that keeps women from nursing longer.

I shook my head in disapproval at the sight of this. Not because I was offended or thought that someone might see a breast (forbid), but because I didn't think it was an appropriate setting. Same way that I wouldn't want someone changing a diaper at the table next to me while I'm ordering dinner.



would you be offended if someone was bottle feeding? if not, what's the difference? and hey, poop and breastmilk are very different things.



ut just because you choose to breast feed, I think you still have an obligation to those around you.



if you have kids, or plan to, do you think about the people around you before thinking of what is best for your child? if my child is hungry, hurt, upset, damn right i'll be thinking of her needs FIRST.


Flame me if you'd like.

no flaming, just food for thought.
2006-07-28 11:53 AM
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coachese - 2006-07-28 11:51 AM
on a plane/in the rain/in a box/with a fox/etc.


hee hee hee.
2006-07-28 11:53 AM
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When I hear about breast feeding, I can't help think of Jim Carrey breast feeding in "Me, Myself & Irene"....hillarious.

 

2006-07-28 11:57 AM
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There is a designated place for urinating. A bathroom. And there is a designated place for eating..a restaurant, or pretty much anywhere! I eat in lots of socially acceptable places, and so did my babies.

 

The Mac - 2006-07-28 12:51 PM

I agree that breast feeding is natural and beautiful and must be done.  Using that same logic, I also see urination as natural (although not beautiful) and lobby for the idea that, "Hey, if I gotta go, I gotta go" and pee at the nearest tree or bush despite passing pedestrians.

 



2006-07-28 11:58 AM
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Marvarnett - 2006-07-28 12:40 PM

Ok...I"m kinda on the fence here.  I think that it's perfectly natural and HEALTHY to breast-feed.  Granted, I think a 3-yr old is much, but I'm not a doctor. 


Just a warning, don't get between a mother and her child, no matter what age. Or if you do, just let me konw where to send flowers.

I was in a restaurant and a mother at the table next to us commenced to breast feed.  I shook my head in disapproval at the sight of this.  Not because I was offended or thought that someone might see a breast (forbid), but because I didn't think it was an appropriate setting.  Same way that I wouldn't want someone changing a diaper at the table next to me while I'm ordering dinner.   

Ok, I just want to get this straight. You have the right to eat how andwhat you want at a restaurant, but a baby doesn't? Gotta love this free and equall society we all live in. How can you compare diaper changing to breast feeding? I agree diaper changing should not be done at the table, just like you shouldn't relieve yourself at the table.

I remember having a childrens table for Thanksgiving dinner, looks like babies will now have to eat in the restrooms at restaurants.

 



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Tri Take Me Away - 2006-07-28 12:57 PM

There is a designated place for urinating. A bathroom. And there is a designated place for eating..a restaurant, or pretty much anywhere! I eat in lots of socially acceptable places, and so did my babies.

 

The Mac - 2006-07-28 12:51 PM

I agree that breast feeding is natural and beautiful and must be done.  Using that same logic, I also see urination as natural (although not beautiful) and lobby for the idea that, "Hey, if I gotta go, I gotta go" and pee at the nearest tree or bush despite passing pedestrians.

 

Sex for that matter is a natural act and I therefore lobby for the idea that....oh nevermind.

 

2006-07-28 12:05 PM
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Tri Take Me Away - 2006-07-28 12:57 PM

There is a designated place for urinating. A bathroom. And there is a designated place for eating..a restaurant, or pretty much anywhere! I eat in lots of socially acceptable places, and so did my babies.

 

The Mac - 2006-07-28 12:51 PM

I agree that breast feeding is natural and beautiful and must be done.  Using that same logic, I also see urination as natural (although not beautiful) and lobby for the idea that, "Hey, if I gotta go, I gotta go" and pee at the nearest tree or bush despite passing pedestrians.

 

Ah yes, the designated nursing rooms at Citrus Park Mall are very nice.  I changed my son in there once while we were just getting out of the house. Soft black leather couch, and 19" color tv, we decided to hangout for a while. I fed him an watched cartoons for a bit, then went off for some shopping.

2006-07-28 12:05 PM
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Thank god for Autumn, I knew you'd be in here with better replies than I could write. 

Dontracy - I saw those pictures in your album before - they are incredible. 

Marvarnett - this is one of the first times your post ever got me annoyed I think.  To equate feeding a baby milk with changing it's **** is ridiculous.  If I'm at a restaurant and my baby is hungry where should I go?  The filthy bathroom?  My cramped car?  Or would you rather i ignored him so he could scream through dinner?

Robit - I'm not saying they should not give out free formula, of course there are lots of women who need it.  Just don't give it on the first 2 day old visit if the woman hasn't asked for it.  And don't give it to me when I already said I'm beastfeeding.  And give me some literature on breastfeeding when I tell you that's what I'm doing.  Autumn's post explains all the problems with hospitals and doctors giving out free formula. 

At my son's last doctor's appointment (he was 16 months) the doctor told me I should stop breastfeeding.  This was a little better than my old pediatrician who told me I should stop at 12 months.  This new one told me she could give me lots of tips on how to wean him.  I said I have two other kids who have self weaned just fine.  She went on to tell me I shoudl really reconsider because if I got him out of my bed and weaned him now it would improve my marriage!!  Who is she to say what would improve my marriage or even that it needs improving?!  Oh - I was so furious that I'm getting all upset just thinking about it.

2006-07-28 12:06 PM
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breastmilk is not pee. breastmilk is not poop. i don't do spraying down walls with breastmilk. it is between me and my child. there are no health concerns. even a mom who is HIV positive would only have a 4% chance of transmitting the virus if her child were to breastfeed exclusively for 6 months (not saying i'm in favor of breastfeeding when HIV is present, although its a interesting topic since the breastmilk itself may actually help protect the child from the virus).

for those who think we should go hide in the bathroom, what do you think of smoking in public places? not to open a whole other can of worms, but it seems like our culture is okay with public smoking and second hand smoke, proven to be AWFUL for everyone, and love half-clad rockstars, but then turn their noses up at public breastfeeding. WTF?

GOOD MOM? BAD MOM??



2006-07-28 12:08 PM
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Amy I completely understand, I'm just thankfull that they were there to help. Also forgot to mention the nutritionist that came to see us at the hospital and lactation was proving to be difficult. She was very patient with us and did all she could to help.

I hope I didn't upset you, I completely agree with you. Oh I'm going to be late for my marriage counseling session with the guy at Jiffy Lube.



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2006-07-28 12:09 PM
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ROBIT79 - 2006-07-28 1:05 PM
Tri Take Me Away - 2006-07-28 12:57 PM

There is a designated place for urinating. A bathroom. And there is a designated place for eating..a restaurant, or pretty much anywhere! I eat in lots of socially acceptable places, and so did my babies.

 

The Mac - 2006-07-28 12:51 PM

I agree that breast feeding is natural and beautiful and must be done.  Using that same logic, I also see urination as natural (although not beautiful) and lobby for the idea that, "Hey, if I gotta go, I gotta go" and pee at the nearest tree or bush despite passing pedestrians.

 

Ah yes, the designated nursing rooms at Citrus Park Mall are very nice.  I changed my son in there once while we were just getting out of the house. Soft black leather couch, and 19" color tv, we decided to hangout for a while. I fed him an watched cartoons for a bit, then went off for some shopping.

Adam, do you use a pump or do you lactate whenever he is hungry?

 

2006-07-28 12:10 PM
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MomX3 -

She went on to tell me I shoudl really reconsider because if I got him out of my bed and weaned him now it would improve my marriage!!

Which ought to lead to the COJ thread to end all COJ threads...

The Family Bed Thread!   

2006-07-28 12:10 PM
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It took me so long to post I missed a few in between.  I think we should start another thread - places you've breastfed you babies....

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