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2013-10-24 3:14 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
144 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Left Brain Dude, you're a white male.......you can't possibly make that statement with a straight face.
Unbelievable.... You're offhandedly removing a whole class/gender of people from even discussing the issue and don't even see a problem with it. |
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2013-10-24 3:15 PM in reply to: csikes |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by csikes Originally posted by msteiner 1. That has to be the best comment about color runs that I've ever read and it very much should not be in red. +1 2. I think women only events are 110% ridiculous. There are a few races and tris around Columbus that are women only and I would rather stop racing than ever participate in one. I'm a person and I race in races that are for people. I don't need any specials races or events for me to make me feel comfortable running. 3. I think men should show up, participate in these events, and if they aren't allowed to participate, raise hell about it. Originally posted by trishie Originally posted by mike761 Originally posted by TriMyBest The only issue I have with women only events is that if someone organized a men only event, people would say it was discrimination. This^^^^ Womens only races are discrimination! It's not like the open events don't have categories for women. Really? Discrimination? Yes, really. Women only races are ridiculous. They already have plenty of women's only events called "color runs". Maybe they could burn their bras or something? |
2013-10-24 3:32 PM in reply to: #4883475 |
Member 23 Corvallis, Oregon | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF White males have been marginalizing races, classes, and women for hundreds of years. We (white straight males) have more power in out society than any other group. We have no right to complain when other groups want to marginalize us, or society its built around our norms and expectations, our whole society is marginalizing them. |
2013-10-24 3:36 PM in reply to: shaka999 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by shaka999 Originally posted by Left Brain Unbelievable.... You're offhandedly removing a whole class/gender of people from even discussing the issue and don't even see a problem with it. Dude, you're a white male.......you can't possibly make that statement with a straight face.
Yes, exactly. White males don't get to discuss the issue unless they are discussing how to be less discriminatory toward others. It's the whole reason white males are not included, by law, as a class of people who can be discriminated against. |
2013-10-24 3:51 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
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2013-10-24 3:52 PM in reply to: Fred D |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Fred D I did say early on this thread had potential.... Not disappointed. It's my pigtails isn't it? |
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2013-10-24 3:56 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
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2013-10-24 4:11 PM in reply to: Batcheldor |
Member 138 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Batcheldor I'll bite. Americans supposedly love a flat playing field, and some of us like to pretend that all discrimination is equal. It is not. Years of discrimination against women in sports lead to less attention, less money, and less respect for women in sports. How are male atheletes negatively impacted by having a race tailored to a specific gender? Simple: they are not. Discrimination is as bad as it's impact, and I don't see male atheletes being negatively impacted by female-specific races. If you enter a race tailored to women and complain about how the race isn't tailored towards you, what does that say about you? Gonna show up for the Rock & Roll Marathon & complain because they don't play country? If women's only races will make women feel more comfortable so they'll go out and run, I'm all for it. Women have more to worry about sometimes. For example, the inner city greenway I like to run on feels like stalkerville to my wife. I will never think about stalkers when I run, she has to think about it all the time. So give the ladies a bleeping race if it makes them feel more comfortable. Just keep signing up for the co-ed races, ladies. Some of us need the motivation. Thanks! That's the whole point: it is all about the impact of discrimination and people who don't get it are usually ones who are not impacted by it. If what we want is for women to feel equality as confident to enter mixed races as they do on gender specific ones then this is exactly the kind of thing that will encourage them to participate more. I have just started taking part in triathlons and around here the women's participation is very low even on sprint distance tris never mind anything longer; the only women that seem to enter these events are top athletes or young ones; which is definately not the case for the men, there are all ages and fitness levels. Just so you have an idea there were only 13 women in my age group in a triathlon where 351 people finished. On another one with 130 participants there were only 12 women over the age of 18! This was one of the reasons I didn't enter more olympic distance tris this season: I didn't want to be way at the back finishing after all the guys were already having tea and sandwiches. |
2013-10-24 4:35 PM in reply to: tatous |
257 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF I'll open more cans here.. imho, women's only races are like athena/clydsdale catagories.
The industry does this because they realize there is a certain demographic that wants these catagories to participate. |
2013-10-24 4:39 PM in reply to: 0 |
Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Fred D Originally posted by Left Brain . Yes, the pig tails.... And triATHLETES.... Sorry for the interruption folks, back to your regular scheduled debate. Originally posted by Fred D I did say early on this thread had potential.... Not disappointed. It's my pigtails isn't it? Yes, ponytails are a good reason to run these,....... Edited by ChrisM 2013-10-24 4:40 PM |
2013-10-24 5:14 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Seriously Chris? That's the best you could do? |
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2013-10-24 5:24 PM in reply to: switch |
Regular 302 Georgetown, KY | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF seems like the kind of race I'd rather spectate than participate in...I'm pretty sure if there was a women's only race around here, there would be A LOT more roadside support than most races... lol |
2013-10-24 5:42 PM in reply to: 0 |
Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by switch Seriously Chris? That's the best you could do? Yes, is there a particular problem with the post you'd like to discuss? Edited by ChrisM 2013-10-24 5:51 PM |
2013-10-24 5:53 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by switch Seriously Chris? That's the best you could do? Yes, is there a particular problem with the post you'd like to discuss? Oh.....................NO!!!!!!!!!!! |
2013-10-24 5:56 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by switch Seriously Chris? That's the best you could do? Yes, is there a particular problem with the post you'd like to discuss? Oh.....................NO!!!!!!!!!!! |
2013-10-24 6:00 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by switch Seriously Chris? That's the best you could do? Yes, is there a particular problem with the post you'd like to discuss? Nope. |
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2013-10-24 6:02 PM in reply to: switch |
Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by switch Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by switch Seriously Chris? That's the best you could do? Yes, is there a particular problem with the post you'd like to discuss? Nope. sweet. |
2013-10-24 6:04 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by switch Originally posted by ChrisM Originally posted by switch Seriously Chris? That's the best you could do? Yes, is there a particular problem with the post you'd like to discuss? Nope. sweet. Whew! |
2013-10-24 6:19 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Left Brain It's the whole reason white males are not included, by law, as a class of people who can be discriminated against. Say what? |
2013-10-24 7:52 PM in reply to: Goosedog |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Goosedog Originally posted by Left Brain It's the whole reason white males are not included, by law, as a class of people who can be discriminated against. Say what? HA!! Yeah, that didn't come out right, I guess I was laughing too hard. I'm showing my age, but back in the days of Affirmative Action there was frequently two or even more sets of standards for hiring, at least in the govt. sector, in order to insure that AA worked and minorities and members of other legally defined "classes" were hired. Lots of white males whined about it and called it "reverse discrimination" or something equally laughable. I just think it's funny when white guys start hollering about discrimination by women, minorities, etc.......looking back over our history it's hard to call foul. |
2013-10-24 7:55 PM in reply to: Baowolf |
Master 1780 Boynton Beach, FL | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Discrimination...sexism...you guys are way off the mark. The reason for "women only races" is plain and simple. Marketing. In a market where every weekend you can find 5k, HM, marathons, Sprint Tris, etc., the race companies need to stand out somehow. And thus "women only" races. Pure and simple: Marketing. Because of discrimination issues, the organizers open the registration to all, and this might shock you, could not care less who sign up as long as people sign up. Somebody mentioned "male only" races or "white Baptist" only races. Trust me, if that would make people sign up to the race, we would have them. Anything that will make the race stand out (in a positive way), will be done "white Buddhist" only races, "black Pagan" only races, "purple with polka dots Jewish" only races. I do agree that complaining about women oriented prizes and activities in a "women only" race is stupid and asinine. |
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2013-10-24 8:23 PM in reply to: Left Brain |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Left Brain Originally posted by Goosedog Originally posted by Left Brain It's the whole reason white males are not included, by law, as a class of people who can be discriminated against. Say what? HA!! Yeah, that didn't come out right, I guess I was laughing too hard. I'm showing my age, but back in the days of Affirmative Action there was frequently two or even more sets of standards for hiring, at least in the govt. sector, in order to insure that AA worked and minorities and members of other legally defined "classes" were hired. Lots of white males whined about it and called it "reverse discrimination" or something equally laughable. I just think it's funny when white guys start hollering about discrimination by women, minorities, etc.......looking back over our history it's hard to call foul.
My wife works for the government. She has an employee who is very intelligent, reliable, and hard working, does an excellent job overall, and performs well above and beyond expectations. Based on job performance, she has determined that this person has earned a promotion and/or raise. Based on that information alone, they should receive the promotion/raise. Unfortunately for this employee they were born a white male. She has been trying to reward this guy for his past and ongoing performance for nearly 18 months, but she isn't permitted to because of his gender and ethnicity. HR consistently pressures her to make management decisions based on gender and ethnicity rather than basing them on skills and job performance of her staff or any other relevant factors. Isn't that the very definition of discrimination? Please explain to me why that's acceptable, how the guy in this example isn't being discriminated against, and why he deserves to be punished for the sins of people who lived in the past and quite possibly have no ancestral connection to him whatsoever? No matter how hard I try, I haven't been able to get my mind around this.
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2013-10-24 8:39 PM in reply to: #4883475 |
Member 23 Corvallis, Oregon | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Don - To put it simply: The white male employee most likely has had several other opportunities that have provided him the skills to advance, while his competitor likely has not. In triathlon terms, who is more likely to succeed in triathlon: A white male, or lets say a black female? |
2013-10-24 9:00 PM in reply to: Tribreitz |
Master 2094 | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF I Googled "DoucheBag" and found this definition: A male who stands around the water cooler on Monday morning bragging about how he placed 2nd in a womens's only marathon. |
2013-10-24 9:17 PM in reply to: Batcheldor |
Pro 4824 Houston | Subject: RE: Men win 2nd-5th place at Nike Women's Half Marathon SF Originally posted by Batcheldor I'll bite. Americans supposedly love a flat playing field, and some of us like to pretend that all discrimination is equal. It is not. Years of discrimination against women in sports lead to less attention, less money, and less respect for women in sports. How are male atheletes negatively impacted by having a race tailored to a specific gender? Simple: they are not. Discrimination is as bad as it's impact, and I don't see male atheletes being negatively impacted by female-specific races. If you enter a race tailored to women and complain about how the race isn't tailored towards you, what does that say about you? Gonna show up for the Rock & Roll Marathon & complain because they don't play country? If women's only races will make women feel more comfortable so they'll go out and run, I'm all for it. Women have more to worry about sometimes. For example, the inner city greenway I like to run on feels like stalkerville to my wife. I will never think about stalkers when I run, she has to think about it all the time. So give the ladies a bleeping race if it makes them feel more comfortable. Just keep signing up for the co-ed races, ladies. Some of us need the motivation. Thank you! If my first race was not all women I probably would not be in triathlons. I felt very well supported at the all women's tri. I am a Mom of 5 and was still breastfeeding at the time of my first race. I was comfortable enough to sit down and breastfeed after my finish. That race gave me the courage to sign up for other races. Three daughters who run cross country and two who participate in triathlon because of that first race. |
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