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2013-11-17 1:09 PM |
Elite 2729 Puyallup, WA | Subject: New business name/site- another WWCOJD I will try my best to have a neutral post, to discourage responses in my favor. Dave/briderdt/hubby is going to start building bike frames. He is trying to name his business and specifically get a domain name. His background is 75% Norwegian and he is using his roots to help name the company. The idea is to name the frame building business after Thor's hammer, Mjolnir. He got a tattoo a few years back that is an upside down Thor's hammer (aka a "T") with a blade triskele in the center. (Blade triskele is a Celtic symbol that in his words are the "warrior symbol of the trinity", I add that the trinity is very prominent in Lutheran denomination in which he grew up in with a father who was a Pastor.) The idea is to name the business Mjolnir Sykkel and have the website name be: mjolnirsykkel.com (or .biz or whatever...) Do you think that is a unique and memorable business and website name and therefore easy to remember? Or do you think the spelling adds a difficult element to it? |
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2013-11-17 1:15 PM in reply to: lkct01234 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD It should be noted that "sykkel" is the Norwegian word for "cycles" or "bicycles". |
2013-11-17 1:35 PM in reply to: briderdt |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD I think you're better served with a business name that is a recognizable word--prefferably one or two (KISS method)--with nothing unusual in the spelling. Save special names and things with meaning for specific frames or something else that you do within your business, but keep the name as clean, simple, and as easy to remember and pronounce as possible.
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2013-11-17 1:53 PM in reply to: 0 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by switch I think you're better served with a business name that is a recognizable word--prefferably one or two (KISS method)--with nothing unusual in the spelling. Save special names and things with meaning for specific frames or something else that you do within your business, but keep the name as clean, simple, and as easy to remember and pronounce as possible.
X2. I can't imagine a customer trying to remember a name with such non-phonetic spelling and esoteric meaning, much less typing that URL into a browser window. If you're naming it to please yourself, that's find. If you're naming it for your customers I'd go back to the drawing board. |
2013-11-17 4:22 PM in reply to: lkct01234 |
Pro 5011 Twin Cities | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Hard to pronounce Hard to remember Hard to spell None of those are outstanding attributes for business success. Not saying it isn't POSSIBLE...but it certainly doesn't stack the deck in your favor. |
2013-11-17 4:25 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 2009 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD I also think it sounds like a spam website to me. Sorry. Edited by tricrazy 2013-11-17 4:25 PM |
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2013-11-17 4:40 PM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD for a web-based business, it is going to be realllllly hard. if you have a store/shop/location and are focusing on local business, it's not really so bad. i love the idea and the imagery and how it lends itself to logos/merchandise. i have NEVER been to the websites for my local cycling shops because i know where they are, who they are, and i'd rather just head on over to talk to them. (however, i could google them if i needed to, simpler names) but - if you are trying for a virtual business it is not a good name. i bet its not taken yet.. Edited by mehaner 2013-11-17 4:41 PM |
2013-11-17 4:45 PM in reply to: lkct01234 |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by lkct01234 I will try my best to have a neutral post, to discourage responses in my favor. Dave/briderdt/hubby is going to start building bike frames. He is trying to name his business and specifically get a domain name. His background is 75% Norwegian and he is using his roots to help name the company. The idea is to name the frame building business after Thor's hammer, Mjolnir. He got a tattoo a few years back that is an upside down Thor's hammer (aka a "T") with a blade triskele in the center. (Blade triskele is a Celtic symbol that in his words are the "warrior symbol of the trinity", I add that the trinity is very prominent in Lutheran denomination in which he grew up in with a father who was a Pastor.) The idea is to name the business Mjolnir Sykkel and have the website name be: mjolnirsykkel.com (or .biz or whatever...) Do you think that is a unique and memorable business and website name and therefore easy to remember? Or do you think the spelling adds a difficult element to it? Can I place an order for a chrome lugged, steel touring bike painted in maroon red? |
2013-11-17 4:49 PM in reply to: briderdt |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Let's also keep in mind the TYPE of business we're discussing. This isn't a web-based business. It's a local custom bike frame builder. The website, facebook presence, Flickr pages, etc., would all follow from organic growth, not from any kind of search engine optimization. I'm not out to become the next CannonTrekalized, or even Serotta or Richard Sachs. |
2013-11-17 4:51 PM in reply to: briderdt |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by briderdt Let's also keep in mind the TYPE of business we're discussing. This isn't a web-based business. It's a local custom bike frame builder. The website, facebook presence, Flickr pages, etc., would all follow from organic growth, not from any kind of search engine optimization. I'm not out to become the next CannonTrekalized, or even Serotta or Richard Sachs. I too think the name is too esoteric. Think of Lynskey. I'd bet 2 people on this board know about them and we're both of them. Mention Litespeed and every one knows them. That's branding. |
2013-11-17 6:24 PM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by pitt83 Originally posted by briderdt I too think the name is too esoteric. Think of Lynskey. I'd bet 2 people on this board know about them and we're both of them. Mention Litespeed and every one knows them. That's branding. Let's also keep in mind the TYPE of business we're discussing. This isn't a web-based business. It's a local custom bike frame builder. The website, facebook presence, Flickr pages, etc., would all follow from organic growth, not from any kind of search engine optimization. I'm not out to become the next CannonTrekalized, or even Serotta or Richard Sachs. "On this board..." There's a huge part of the problem with even asking this question here. I could name a good dozen custom buildefs that are doing quite well, and guarantee you that no one on this board has heard of them. But the people in that market have heard of Lynskey and know their story. Edited by briderdt 2013-11-17 6:32 PM |
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2013-11-17 6:39 PM in reply to: briderdt |
Elite 4547 | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD I say go for shock value. You like Thor. He's got a hammer right? Ya like Sykkel. Throw up a red flag with the old school hammer and "sykkel." "Cyclists of the (insert your geographic region here), UNITE!" Just an idea. |
2013-11-17 6:49 PM in reply to: briderdt |
Champion 16151 Checkin' out the podium girls | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by briderdt Originally posted by pitt83 Originally posted by briderdt I too think the name is too esoteric. Think of Lynskey. I'd bet 2 people on this board know about them and we're both of them. Mention Litespeed and every one knows them. That's branding. Let's also keep in mind the TYPE of business we're discussing. This isn't a web-based business. It's a local custom bike frame builder. The website, facebook presence, Flickr pages, etc., would all follow from organic growth, not from any kind of search engine optimization. I'm not out to become the next CannonTrekalized, or even Serotta or Richard Sachs. "On this board..." There's a huge part of the problem with even asking this question here. I could name a good dozen custom buildefs that are doing quite well, and guarantee you that no one on this board has heard of them. But the people in that market have heard of Lynskey and know their story. But, in my experience at my LBS; the $400 into bikes is what makes the profit. Sure; you and I see the high end stuff and justify it. But it doesn't pay the bills. I guess it comes down to what you want. Extreme cool factor and uber quality or a bit of volume to serve a larger market to make profitability your biggest goal. Branding is a cornerstone to that. I'd seek a more main stream liable to achieve the tip,toward more volume sales. |
2013-11-17 7:01 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 2380 Beijing | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD This dude near me has an ethnically-named-and-themed successful custom bike-building business. (I guess. If you consider Irish an "ethnicity." work with me here.)
I thought of him instantly when you asked the question. Agree with the KISS principle.
If you make it hard to spell, people will never find it online. Or look it up in the phone book. Or be able to tell their friends how to find it. ETA: He's not *currently* near me. Near my home in the US. Edited by moondawg14 2013-11-17 7:05 PM |
2013-11-17 7:27 PM in reply to: 0 |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD I read the OP and the proposed name once, and intentionally did not re-read it to see if I would remember the name (which I think was part of the question, I don't know because I haven't let myself re-read the post yet). Trying to recall - I would type into Google: Spelled in the oddest ways I could think of, and add "custom frames" to the search. I don't personally like the idea of a totally obscure business name from a customer perspective. It means nothing to me unless I do a lot of background research and then commit it to memory (which I won't). Which is OK I guess, just not memorable whatsoever. Edited by lisac957 2013-11-17 7:28 PM |
2013-11-17 8:51 PM in reply to: pitt83 |
Regular 5477 LHOTP | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by pitt83 Originally posted by briderdt But, in my experience at my LBS; the $400 into bikes is what makes the profit. Sure; you and I see the high end stuff and justify it. But it doesn't pay the bills. I guess it comes down to what you want. Extreme cool factor and uber quality or a bit of volume to serve a larger market to make profitability your biggest goal. Branding is a cornerstone to that. I'd seek a more main stream liable to achieve the tip,toward more volume sales. Originally posted by pitt83 Originally posted by briderdt I too think the name is too esoteric. Think of Lynskey. I'd bet 2 people on this board know about them and we're both of them. Mention Litespeed and every one knows them. That's branding. Let's also keep in mind the TYPE of business we're discussing. This isn't a web-based business. It's a local custom bike frame builder. The website, facebook presence, Flickr pages, etc., would all follow from organic growth, not from any kind of search engine optimization. I'm not out to become the next CannonTrekalized, or even Serotta or Richard Sachs. "On this board..." There's a huge part of the problem with even asking this question here. I could name a good dozen custom buildefs that are doing quite well, and guarantee you that no one on this board has heard of them. But the people in that market have heard of Lynskey and know their story. You're totally right, and this is an important part of branding. Knowing your target market is key. Following this exchange is actually pretty insightful and a good window into your market: not only are you cyclists, you're elitist cyclists. The snobbiest of the snobby and the geekiest of the geeky. This sounds like a put-down, but it really isn't; it's your market. A good name for your business will be a name that makes your potential customers feel like they're in the "in" group. A reference to something only you guys know or care about? Win. But it should still be easy to pronounce and follow spelling convention because it will, as you said, "follow from organic growth"; you want a name that people remember easily after doing a group ride, talking at the coffee shop or packing up after a race. |
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2013-11-18 8:04 AM in reply to: pitt83 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by pitt83 But, in my experience at my LBS; the $400 into bikes is what makes the profit. Sure; you and I see the high end stuff and justify it. But it doesn't pay the bills. Here's the crux of the problem -- the LBS and mass production IS NOT THE MARKET. You'll never see these frames on the floor of the LBS (unless some one has one in for repairs/adjustments). As for paying the bills? Ask Richard Sachs if his high-end stuff doesn't pay the bills. |
2013-11-18 9:12 AM in reply to: lkct01234 |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD If it were me I would look into something like Sykkel Cycle You still get your Norwegian nod, but it's fun to say and easy(ier) to remember. |
2013-11-18 9:44 AM in reply to: lkct01234 |
Pro 9391 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by lkct01234 I will try my best to have a neutral post, to discourage responses in my favor. Dave/briderdt/hubby is going to start building bike frames. He is trying to name his business and specifically get a domain name. His background is 75% Norwegian and he is using his roots to help name the company. The idea is to name the frame building business after Thor's hammer, Mjolnir. He got a tattoo a few years back that is an upside down Thor's hammer (aka a "T") with a blade triskele in the center. (Blade triskele is a Celtic symbol that in his words are the "warrior symbol of the trinity", I add that the trinity is very prominent in Lutheran denomination in which he grew up in with a father who was a Pastor.) The idea is to name the business Mjolnir Sykkel and have the website name be: mjolnirsykkel.com (or .biz or whatever...) Do you think that is a unique and memorable business and website name and therefore easy to remember? Or do you think the spelling adds a difficult element to it? I love the history and name, but as the others have mentioned it's a really hard one to spell/remember. I think there's a zero point zero chance I could ever learn to spell Mjolnir lol. However, I propose splitting the difference. Sykkel.com is cool and I'm assuming it's pronounced somewhat like "cycle" so I recommend naming it as you mentioned as Mjolnir Sykkel but use msykkel.com as the domain name. I just checked it and it's available. The general rule of thumb is the shorter the domain name the better and msykkel.com is fairly easy to remember. |
2013-11-18 9:58 AM in reply to: tuwood |
Champion 10018 , Minnesota | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD I think it can be esoteric, but I really am not a fan of hard to spell/say. If I was having a conversation about custom frame builders (and this does happen) I may even be too embarrassed to try to say it for fear of being wrong and it's a missed opportunity. Or it would be jumbled at best. And, let me add, I am pretty good with languages and spelling. One of the more famous frame builders in my area is Peacock Groove. I have no idea what the name means to him, but it's really catchy for some reason. This is why I still think esoteric can work. How about "Thor's Hammer Custom Frames"? |
2013-11-18 10:08 AM in reply to: lkct01234 |
Champion 10471 Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by lkct01234 I will try my best to have a neutral post, to discourage responses in my favor. Dave/briderdt/hubby is going to start building bike frames. He is trying to name his business and specifically get a domain name. His background is 75% Norwegian and he is using his roots to help name the company. The idea is to name the frame building business after Thor's hammer, Mjolnir. He got a tattoo a few years back that is an upside down Thor's hammer (aka a "T") with a blade triskele in the center. (Blade triskele is a Celtic symbol that in his words are the "warrior symbol of the trinity", I add that the trinity is very prominent in Lutheran denomination in which he grew up in with a father who was a Pastor.) The idea is to name the business Mjolnir Sykkel and have the website name be: mjolnirsykkel.com (or .biz or whatever...) Do you think that is a unique and memorable business and website name and therefore easy to remember? Or do you think the spelling adds a difficult element to it? There is no way I could say that name, remember it, or even attempt to spell it. If he is mainly marketing to an American audience it might be too challenging. |
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2013-11-18 10:38 AM in reply to: 0 |
Pro 6838 Tejas | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Go with something recognizable and Norwegian. Valhalla bikes ( just an example, not a suggestion! ) or something Viking related for the company name? Name the different frame models Mjolnir , Triskele or Sykkel. Edited by mdg2003 2013-11-18 10:54 AM |
2013-11-18 10:45 AM in reply to: lkct01234 |
Champion 10550 Austin, Texas | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD I really like the idea of playing to your Norwegian roots, but I agree with others on here that it really would be too much to try and remember both the name and the spelling, and I wouldn't know where to start to try and pronounce it. Is it possible to shorten the name to just something with "Sykkel" and have the logo incorporate the hammer?
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2013-11-18 11:10 AM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 10668 Tacoma, Washington | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD Originally posted by blueyedbikergirl I really like the idea of playing to your Norwegian roots, but I agree with others on here that it really would be too much to try and remember both the name and the spelling, and I wouldn't know where to start to try and pronounce it. Is it possible to shorten the name to just something with "Sykkel" and have the logo incorporate the hammer? I'm more attached to the "Mjolnir" part than "Sykkel". Sykkel was just in keeping with the Norwegian theme. Here's why -- it's more than just a reference to a random Norwegian mythology item or a tattoo. From Wikipedia: "Mjölnir is depicted in Norse mythology as one of the most fearsome weapons, capable of leveling mountains." And from Marvel comics, Mjolnir is inscribed with this: "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." I was thinking of a tagline being, "Are you worthy to take up the hammer?" I didn't come up with this in a vacuum of input. I've done lot of reading and in discussion with other prominent leaders in the custom bike world, especially regarding branding. The overwhelming response is that what you sell is yourself, your skill, and your ethos -- what do you stand for? The name itself is somewhat irrelevant as long as it's unique. But in this case, the name reflects the ethos. And lest I come across as trying to defend myself, that's not the case. I'm trying to fully disclose the thought process, volume and target market.
Edited by briderdt 2013-11-18 11:12 AM |
2013-11-18 11:27 AM in reply to: briderdt |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: New business name/site- another WWCOJD If you have to explain yourself in that much length I think it's too complicated. Will your average customer/target appreciate all of that research and background into your storefront name, or will they care more about the actual product? I LOVE the idea of using the unique words as model names. THAT would be cool! |
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