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2014-08-18 11:02 AM
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I am reading an article about the importance of the recovery stroke when swimming. in general, it is important to keep in mind that the recovery stroke takes as little effort as possible and is efficient to allow your arm to actually "recover". you will want this part of the stroke to be quick and use as little energy as possible.

one way to "get a feel" for how your arm should rotate through is to drag your finger tips along the water while arm is bringing itself to the forward position.

another interesting point in the article is the natural rotation of the arms. it is difficult to some to pat your head and rub your tummy; even though it can be done, it isn't something that is naturally done and is awkward. because the swim stroke naturally using your shoulders in pivoting your arms backward or forward, they are naturally opposite of each other. when one arm is completely forward, the other is completely back. likewise, when the recovery is completely upward, your other arm is completely down. with that said, a slow recovery stroke = a slow pull stroke. a straight arm recovery stroke = a straight arm pull stroke. a bent arm recovery = a bent arm pull.

please comment any feedback you have or questions about my post =)


2014-08-19 8:36 PM
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12 days to go....how's the training going?
2014-08-19 8:47 PM
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I have the finger tip drill in my workout for tomorrow morning so I'll try and relax the recovery arm as much as possible. Still my biggest problem is being out of breath after 75m of freestyle. I can swim 1000m fine but have to mix in breaststroke to get through it. Its not arm fatigue its effort and my heart rate going through the roof.

I really still struggle in the pool. My legs are low and I have to virtually look at my own navel to get them to lift. Very frustrating after 8 months of work.

I think I'm going to try and swim even slower. My plan calls for 3m 17s / 100m but I find I simply can't swim that slowly as I sink like a stone. So I swim much quicker and I'm out of breath after 75m

Thanks for the post David and if you have a cure for my swimming ills I'm all ears!
2014-08-20 6:51 PM
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Originally posted by RobR

I have the finger tip drill in my workout for tomorrow morning so I'll try and relax the recovery arm as much as possible. Still my biggest problem is being out of breath after 75m of freestyle. I can swim 1000m fine but have to mix in breaststroke to get through it. Its not arm fatigue its effort and my heart rate going through the roof.

I really still struggle in the pool. My legs are low and I have to virtually look at my own navel to get them to lift. Very frustrating after 8 months of work.

I think I'm going to try and swim even slower. My plan calls for 3m 17s / 100m but I find I simply can't swim that slowly as I sink like a stone. So I swim much quicker and I'm out of breath after 75m

Thanks for the post David and if you have a cure for my swimming ills I'm all ears!

Wish I could see a video of how you are currently swimming. It would help tremendously to give additional advise on what you are doing and what you can do to correct the problems.

A quick article about keeping your feet up
http://silkyswimmer.com/sinking-legs-swimming/

Quite some time ago, I mentioned about pushing off the wall and see how far you glide. If you are only going a couple feet, you are definitely not streamlined for the water. By making little adjustments here and there, you should have no problem gliding past the area where the lane-line changes color (the lane lines usually are solid within a couple yards from the wall).

If your toes are pointed too much, your forward motion will not help with the lifting of your feet. I know it sounds backwards, but you create drag on your feet (not legs) to help with the lift.

If your lifting too much in the upper body, it will cause your feet to sink as well. I know it was mentioned that your head will help with keeping you flat. But, if you are also arching your back, this will cause the upper body to lift and the lower body to sink. Relaxing the mid section will benefit you two ways, a flatter swim along with using less energy.

Drill:
** Of course you already have the finger tips in the water drill
** Try using a pull buoy between your legs at around the calf area. If a buoy is not available, use a kick board between your calves. This will lift your legs up and allow you to "feel" the balance between the upper body and lower body. It might feel extremely weird especially if you are used to lifting your upper body, the floating legs will cause your upper body to feel like it's sinking (but it's not)
** Superman glide off the wall to see how far you can go; works on streamlining your body to the water (all about feel)
** Long strokes with pull buoy
** Use closed fists while swimming to see if your "arms" are pulling water or is it just your hands; adjust where needed
** Use a kick board to practice flutter kick... very important, make sure your arms are straight and in front of you while holding the kick board.

The whole thing about heart rate and fatigue and out of breath...
1) keep in mind that 25m was difficult for you in the beginning; you have made progress
2) i seriously doubt that it is dealing with your physical fitness level cause you can run, run, run for long distances, right?
3) relax as much as you can, if you are "fighting" the water, you are using way too much energy... breaststroke at a racing pace should actually take more energy from you than freestyle at racing pace
4) where are the videos??? hehehe

Rob, hope some of these things help you. Let me know if you've done these things above or not. I can see about getting more ideas or information for you... Good luck and don't give up =)
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