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 2014-06-09 11:03 AM |
 553   St Catharines, Ontario |  Subject: Request from a Race OfficialA question for those with more experience then myself. Is it normal for a race official to ask you to adjust your race gear during an event? On Saturday I wore a 2XU full tri suit. A standard piece of kit. On the ride I put the zip down on the front to let some air in. I am a big clyde at about 245 lbs. In T2 after racking my bike a Triathlon Ontario official approached me and asked me to put my zipper up. I said 'ok', smiled and zipped it up to the top and then she said. 'You can open it a bit, about 4 inches'. I said 'ok' again and got moving on the run. The 4 seconds it cost me don't matter at all. I was nearly dead last in my AG and there just for fun. But it seemed like an odd request. My body is far from perfect but there was no risk of seeing any moob. Is this a rules thing? |
| 2014-06-09 11:04 AM in reply to: badmo77a |
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| 2014-06-09 11:11 AM in reply to: badmo77a |
Master 10208  Northern IL | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Is there a rule on wearing a top or shirt for that race? Haven't heard about zipping up, but best on where it came from at least. |
| 2014-06-09 11:20 AM in reply to: brigby1 |
| 553 St Catharines, Ontario | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official There is this from the organizer: Torsos: All athletes must have their torsos covered on the bike and run portions of the event. Here is the guy who finished third:  |
| 2014-06-09 12:22 PM in reply to: badmo77a |
| Veteran 379 | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Originally posted by badmo77a There is this from the organizer: Torsos: All athletes must have their torsos covered on the bike and run portions of the event. Here is the guy who finished third: rules are rules, and the race officials can choose to enforce them at any time (or not depending on how serious the volunteer takes their job). kind of like drafting, it's illegal, but people do it. Or look at Liz Blatchford -- she had a 4 minute penalty that definitely cost her big at kona last year because she dropped her gu. had she not been penalized, she would have finished under 9 hours and who knows, being down 2 minutes v 6 minutes on the run might have spurred her on enough that she could have taken second. it's like speeding, everyone around you is doing it but your unlucky day, you get the ticket. |
| 2014-06-09 12:38 PM in reply to: sheesleeva |
Expert 1224 Is this Heaven? No, it's Iowa. | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official That's a new one for me too. I've been in several races where guys don't wear a shirt the entire time. But this is rules in this tri. I guess you gotta go with it.
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| 2014-06-09 12:48 PM in reply to: siouxcityhawk |
Champion 14571 the alamo city, Texas | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official the race i did yesterday had several dudes shirt-less (including a 73-year-old in nothing but an American flag speedo) and many many more with the trisuits unzipped like the guy in the picture. honestly, never heard of this rule. must be specific to the race/org? is it a canadian thing? |
| 2014-06-09 1:41 PM in reply to: mehaner |
Champion 6503 NOVA - Ironic for an Endurance Athlete | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Some race officials make stuff up so they have something to log. |
| 2014-06-09 1:54 PM in reply to: pga_mike |
| 287 | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official DC Rainmaker who is living in Paris states French rules make males keep their chest zippers up. |
| 2014-06-09 2:00 PM in reply to: Billyk |
| 278 Atlanta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Originally posted by Billyk DC Rainmaker who is living in Paris states French rules make males keep their chest zippers up. There's your answer. The official must have been French-Canadian! |
| 2014-06-09 2:00 PM in reply to: Billyk |
| 553 St Catharines, Ontario | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Originally posted by Billyk DC Rainmaker who is living in Paris states French rules make males keep their chest zippers up. I guess it might be a Canadian thing to accommodate some French-Canadan thinking. Just seemed odd to me. 1) As it didn't seem to be enforced at all if you were FOP 2) You could standing T1 or T2 and change into a singlet that showed rampant chest hair and be legal 3) You could wear a hoodie to keep your top half covered but do the whole event in a tiny banana hammock and still be legal. |
| 2014-06-09 2:10 PM in reply to: badmo77a |
Expert 3126 Boise, ID | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official
Athlete guide for IMCDA says you have to wear a shirt for the bike and run portions of the event. I would be surprised if someone got that picky about the zipper, but I suppose it is not outside the realm of possibility, given the rule.
I couldn't believe how many people I saw breaking the rules at the Boise HIM this past weekend. I watched runners for an hour or so. Saw people with iPods and headphones, one lady stopped to get nutrition from her family, lots of guys with no shirt, spectators pacing racers on the run, etc. These rules are all rather prominent in the athlete guides, if you read it at all you are aware of them. Guess a lot of people have a "doesn't apply to me" attitude. <---- no reference to OP. |
| 2014-06-09 2:23 PM in reply to: Aarondb4 |
| 489 | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official It's standard in the rest of the world outside of the US for some reason. Another reason is that triathlon attempts to be all inclusive and there are some religions that don't like that amount of flesh on show. |
| 2014-06-09 2:44 PM in reply to: Dan-L |
| Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Originally posted by Dan-L It's standard in the rest of the world outside of the US for some reason. Another reason is that triathlon attempts to be all inclusive and there are some religions that don't like that amount of flesh on show. I think more races in the US have it than people realize, but for whatever reason it's not enforced so much. See the IMCdA and IM Boise examples just above. I'm guessing the OP was in Canada due to the Tri Ontario. Could be more strict about it there. |
| 2014-06-09 2:48 PM in reply to: Dan-L |
| Member 763 | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official I haven't heard of the rule either, but perhaps the judge was just bit a picky, though how did the judge come up with 4 inches? that seems a bit random. In any case, given the wise guys around here, I'm surprised nobody mentioned Right Said Fred yet. |
| 2014-06-09 4:35 PM in reply to: badmo77a |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Originally posted by badmo77a A question for those with more experience then myself. Is it normal for a race official to ask you to adjust your race gear during an event? On Saturday I wore a 2XU full tri suit. A standard piece of kit. On the ride I put the zip down on the front to let some air in. I am a big clyde at about 245 lbs. In T2 after racking my bike a Triathlon Ontario official approached me and asked me to put my zipper up. I said 'ok', smiled and zipped it up to the top and then she said. 'You can open it a bit, about 4 inches'. I said 'ok' again and got moving on the run. The 4 seconds it cost me don't matter at all. I was nearly dead last in my AG and there just for fun. But it seemed like an odd request. My body is far from perfect but there was no risk of seeing any moob. Is this a rules thing? It's in the rules, check out the rulebook. However, this is very loosely used. I have raced many USAT races (local/Rev 3/Lifetime) in just a speedo and have never had trouble. I do know that WTC requires men wear a top, but that is it, no specifics on length, zipper, etc. Again it is in the rules it is up to the refs to use their discretion. That all said that is a fairly nitpicky rule to enforce, but again, rules are rules and some refs are just plain sticklers to them. It must have been a slow day, or he the ref might have been bridging up to his CAT 3 license and is still in the probationary period and wants to use ever scenario he can. |
| 2014-06-09 4:49 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
| 489 | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Why should some rules be considered nitpicky compared to others? |
| 2014-06-09 5:01 PM in reply to: Dan-L |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official SE Asia tri rules require both genders to cover the torso on the bike and run. I've never seen an official call people on it, and seen a few violations, but most of my races are in Singapore, so there aren't that many violations to begin with! Guessing in our case it has to do with not offending the locals, some of whom are Muslim and/or very conservative (the latter for tris in rural area in Vietnam). |
| 2014-06-09 5:01 PM in reply to: Dan-L |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Originally posted by Dan-L Why should some rules be considered nitpicky compared to others? Because having to follow rules such as zipper cannot be lower then 4 inches is, well nitpicky. Rules that are for safety and fairness in the race are followed 100%, others are discretionary and that is with all officials at all races, See my comment above about racing shirtless. Good example here: 7.3 Bicycle Placement. All participants must return their bicycles to an upright position in the properly designated bicycle corral after completion of the cycling course and before beginning the next segment of the event. Any violation of this Section shall result in a variable time penalty. The above rule states that if you rack your bicycle facing the opposite way (as previous to how you racked it) after you complete the bike you are eligible for a time penalty. That is nitpicky Yes rules are rules, but again discretion is used based on important of the rules. |
| 2014-06-09 5:30 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Pro 15655 | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official The only time I have ever seen rules enforced strictly is in ITU races. The rest of the time it's ALL loosely enforced, if at all, IMO. Not to bash WTC because I like their races.....but that's one organization, as an example, that hardly cares at all about enforcing rules....it's just window dressing if done at all. |
| 2014-06-09 7:48 PM in reply to: badmo77a |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Thats one interpretation the bare torso rule. |
| 2014-06-09 9:47 PM in reply to: badmo77a |
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| 2014-06-09 11:11 PM in reply to: siouxcityhawk |
Veteran 2297 Great White North | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official Going topless does not fly outside the US |
| 2014-06-10 12:18 AM in reply to: simpsonbo |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon Bronze member | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official True...nor does the Speedo look. I have never seen that in a race in Asia, maybe not even just for the swim. Maybe a good thing? |
| 2014-06-10 5:31 AM in reply to: #5009458 |
Elite 3140 | Subject: RE: Request from a Race Official As ridiculous as the rule is. If it was posted on pre race info you should follow it. But never heard nor understand the reason for the rule |
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