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2014-07-17 7:19 AM

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Subject: Buy the disc or not?
I've found a 2014 Zipp disc for sale for $1600. Has almost no miles on it, perfect condition, colors match my bike (very important I know).

But I'm having a hard time pulling the trigger for some reason...I currently have an 88mm deep with aerojacket so I 'sorta' have a disc when I need one. So I'm having a hard time committing because of that.

Gah! Need advice to buy or not....lol


2014-07-17 7:27 AM
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If you want it and can afford it, buy it.  

Don't expect any significant time savings with it over what you currently have though.  You will gain the cool "whomp, whomp" sound too - also an important consideration.  

2014-07-17 7:31 AM
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The sound is really cool....wooosh wooosh wooosh. Is the sound worth $1600 ?

You are not going to get a lot of time. Seconds, if that.

That $1600 will yield many more seconds invested elsewhere. Heck, go to the tunnel.




2014-07-17 7:33 AM
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Originally posted by marcag The sound is really cool....wooosh wooosh wooosh. Is the sound worth $1600 ? You are not going to get a lot of time. Seconds, if that. That $1600 will yield many more seconds invested elsewhere. Heck, go to the tunnel.

Do you have all the rest of the items you can buy speed with?  Fast tires and tubes, aero helmet, cable routing cleaned up?

2014-07-17 7:45 AM
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Originally posted by axteraa

If you want it and can afford it, buy it.  

Don't expect any significant time savings with it over what you currently have though.  You will gain the cool "whomp, whomp" sound too - also an important consideration.  



That's part of what I'm curious about (obviously)...how much time will I save. Going from a chinese knock off with cheapo hubs to a quality wheel. I'm borrowing a set of 808's for this weekends race to see if I can notice the difference in rolling resistance.

Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by marcag The sound is really cool....wooosh wooosh wooosh. Is the sound worth $1600 ? You are not going to get a lot of time. Seconds, if that. That $1600 will yield many more seconds invested elsewhere. Heck, go to the tunnel.

Do you have all the rest of the items you can buy speed with?  Fast tires and tubes, aero helmet, cable routing cleaned up?



Aero Helmet - yes Giro advantage 2
cable routing - internal
fast tires - no....talk to me about this!
2014-07-17 7:54 AM
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Originally posted by cornick
Originally posted by axteraa

If you want it and can afford it, buy it.  

Don't expect any significant time savings with it over what you currently have though.  You will gain the cool "whomp, whomp" sound too - also an important consideration.  

That's part of what I'm curious about (obviously)...how much time will I save. Going from a chinese knock off with cheapo hubs to a quality wheel. I'm borrowing a set of 808's for this weekends race to see if I can notice the difference in rolling resistance.
Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by marcag The sound is really cool....wooosh wooosh wooosh. Is the sound worth $1600 ? You are not going to get a lot of time. Seconds, if that. That $1600 will yield many more seconds invested elsewhere. Heck, go to the tunnel.

Do you have all the rest of the items you can buy speed with?  Fast tires and tubes, aero helmet, cable routing cleaned up?

Aero Helmet - yes Giro advantage 2 cable routing - internal fast tires - no....talk to me about this!

What do you have for tires now?  Depending on what you have now, going to something like a Continental GP4000s with latex tubes will likely result in much bigger gains than that disc ever will.



2014-07-17 7:58 AM
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Subject: RE: Buy the disc or not?
Originally posted by cornick

That's part of what I'm curious about (obviously)...how much time will I save. Going from a chinese knock off with cheapo hubs to a quality wheel. I'm borrowing a set of 808's for this weekends race to see if I can notice the difference in rolling resistance.


It is unlikely you'll notice much difference - perhaps in handling but while aero wheels are faster it is unlikely you are going to jump on and suddenly feel like you are flying (as you are not going to be seeing a huge speed jump).

Also, the wheels aren't going to lower rolling resistance, that's the tires/tubes - the wheels will lower aerodynamic resistance.

Aero Helmet - yes Giro advantage 2
cable routing - internal
fast tires - no....talk to me about this!


IIWY I would go with something like the Conti GP4000S with a latex tube - very nice race setup and pretty durable for a fast tire.

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2014-07-17 8:04 AM
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Originally posted by axteraa

What do you have for tires now?  Depending on what you have now, going to something like a Continental GP4000s with latex tubes will likely result in much bigger gains than that disc ever will.




Cheap...went with them because they matched my bike...this was before I was fast. Now that I've qualified for Team USA I want to be REALLY fast lol

I'll look into the GP4000's.

Can you school me on the latex tubes a little bit? I just buy the $8 ones from my bike shop.
2014-07-17 8:05 AM
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if you have the $, look into Accelerate 3's aero camps.
You will figure out what really works for you. I think they are doing in East coast camp in the near future.

A few $ on a fit by a guy that knows aero might make the biggest difference in the world. Jim @ Erosports would be your man.

Another option. Buy a power meter and do a lot of field testing.

This is fun, can be done while working your engine and you can find many seconds here and there..
2014-07-17 8:53 AM
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Originally posted by marcag if you have the $, look into Accelerate 3's aero camps. You will figure out what really works for you. I think they are doing in East coast camp in the near future. A few $ on a fit by a guy that knows aero might make the biggest difference in the world. Jim @ Erosports would be your man. Another option. Buy a power meter and do a lot of field testing. This is fun, can be done while working your engine and you can find many seconds here and there..

I know you asked about a disc (more below), but this (a PM) is a great way to drop some coin on performance.  The PM, if used right, really helps in training and (for me) as a "do not exceed meter" in racing - helps me from not blowing up on the bike, which I would otherwise be happy to do!

As for the disc, I'm in the "if you can afford it and want it, go for it" camp.  It's certainly not going to be the quickest way to extra speed from where you are now, but it just FEELS  and SOUNDS so dang fast.  There's something about breaking out the race setup that just makes racing that much more fun than a training day with lots of other people around.

But that's me.  

Also agree on the GP4000s (although I run tubulars, so can't comment on latex).  They've been great tires for the past 2 seasons for me racing (I use GatorSkins for training).

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2014-07-17 8:55 AM
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Originally posted by cornick
Originally posted by axteraa

What do you have for tires now?  Depending on what you have now, going to something like a Continental GP4000s with latex tubes will likely result in much bigger gains than that disc ever will.

Cheap...went with them because they matched my bike...this was before I was fast. Now that I've qualified for Team USA I want to be REALLY fast lol I'll look into the GP4000's. Can you school me on the latex tubes a little bit? I just buy the $8 ones from my bike shop.

Your LBS likely won't stock them but may be able to order them.  I buy them online from Probikekit or Wiggle.  They cost more (usually in the $12-15 range) and you have to be very careful installing them as they can easily be pinched during installation.  Also have to be sure your rim tape is perfect.  Your 88mm rim means you will have to deal with a valve extender as well but maybe you are already doing that?



2014-07-17 9:25 AM
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You'll be much faster with the disc because your wallet will be lighter.
2014-07-17 10:19 AM
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you could use that money towards hiring a specialist coach for your weakest area and most likely see a far greater return on investment. 

2014-07-17 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by axteraa

If you want it and can afford it, buy it.  

Don't expect any significant time savings with it over what you currently have though.  You will gain the cool "whomp, whomp" sound too - also an important consideration.  



I've always thought if you could market an incredibly cheap, bas azz looking, but totally useless disc you could make a killing. I couldn't care less about the time savings as I'm no where close to the point where it would make a difference, but the sound and look are killer!
2014-07-17 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by TriDadinAsheville
Originally posted by axteraa

If you want it and can afford it, buy it.  

Don't expect any significant time savings with it over what you currently have though.  You will gain the cool "whomp, whomp" sound too - also an important consideration.  

I've always thought if you could market an incredibly cheap, bas azz looking, but totally useless disc you could make a killing. I couldn't care less about the time savings as I'm no where close to the point where it would make a difference, but the sound and look are killer!

I believe this is what Flo has attempted and they have done very well.  Though you get the added bonus that their wheel is NOT useless.   

2014-07-17 11:45 AM
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Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by TriDadinAsheville
Originally posted by axteraa

If you want it and can afford it, buy it.  

Don't expect any significant time savings with it over what you currently have though.  You will gain the cool "whomp, whomp" sound too - also an important consideration.  

I've always thought if you could market an incredibly cheap, bas azz looking, but totally useless disc you could make a killing. I couldn't care less about the time savings as I'm no where close to the point where it would make a difference, but the sound and look are killer!

I believe this is what Flo has attempted and they have done very well.  Though you get the added bonus that their wheel is NOT useless.   

I don't think you get the sound with their disc though?



2014-07-17 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by popsracer

Originally posted by TriDadinAsheville
Originally posted by axteraa

If you want it and can afford it, buy it.  

Don't expect any significant time savings with it over what you currently have though.  You will gain the cool "whomp, whomp" sound too - also an important consideration.  

I've always thought if you could market an incredibly cheap, bas azz looking, but totally useless disc you could make a killing. I couldn't care less about the time savings as I'm no where close to the point where it would make a difference, but the sound and look are killer!

I believe this is what Flo has attempted and they have done very well.  Though you get the added bonus that their wheel is NOT useless.   

I don't think you get the sound with their disc though?

Correct.  No whomp whomp whomp but they still look cool.

2014-07-17 12:05 PM
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Wait a second here... You are riding chinese knock off wheels and want to spend that much on just a disc?

If I were you I would take that $1,600 and buy a nice set of Firecrest 404's or 404/808 combo. Zipp just came out with a new wheel (Firehawk I think) so the used market for Firecrests is going to get decent here soon. I just bought very lightly used 404's for $1,600. I'd do that and stick with the aero jacket. 

Or like others said spend it on other things that will make you faster or aid in your training. I doubt you will get much more than the sound of a disc for that $1,600. Not worth it IMO and you can only use the disc on race day. $1,600 is a lot for a cool sound on race day only. 

2014-07-17 12:19 PM
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Wait a second here... You are riding chinese knock off wheels and want to spend that much on just a disc?

If I were you I would take that $1,600 and buy a nice set of Firecrest 404's or 404/808 combo. Zipp just came out with a new wheel (Firehawk I think) so the used market for Firecrests is going to get decent here soon. I just bought very lightly used 404's for $1,600. I'd do that and stick with the aero jacket. 

Or like others said spend it on other things that will make you faster or aid in your training. I doubt you will get much more than the sound of a disc for that $1,600. Not worth it IMO and you can only use the disc on race day. $1,600 is a lot for a cool sound on race day only. 



I built the website for the guy that was selling the wheels...so we exchanged a set of 88mm deep wheels for a website.

I've also thought about waiting for the huge influx of Firecrests that are about to be unleashed on the market with the new Firehawks coming out.

At this point I've decided against the disc.
2014-07-17 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by cornick  At this point I've decided against the disc.

but you've ordered some GP4000s and latex tubes right?  

2014-07-17 12:49 PM
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For $1600, you might as well get a set of FLO wheels or FLO disc for a fraction of the cost.

I have a rear wheel set up with a wheelcover permanently, and it works great. (Tape it to the rim with electrical tape.) Way cheaper than a disc, same aero, and looks just about as cool.



2014-07-17 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by cornick
Originally posted by Aarondb4

 

Wait a second here... You are riding chinese knock off wheels and want to spend that much on just a disc?

If I were you I would take that $1,600 and buy a nice set of Firecrest 404's or 404/808 combo. Zipp just came out with a new wheel (Firehawk I think) so the used market for Firecrests is going to get decent here soon. I just bought very lightly used 404's for $1,600. I'd do that and stick with the aero jacket. 

Or like others said spend it on other things that will make you faster or aid in your training. I doubt you will get much more than the sound of a disc for that $1,600. Not worth it IMO and you can only use the disc on race day. $1,600 is a lot for a cool sound on race day only. 

I built the website for the guy that was selling the wheels...so we exchanged a set of 88mm deep wheels for a website. I've also thought about waiting for the huge influx of Firecrests that are about to be unleashed on the market with the new Firehawks coming out. At this point I've decided against the disc.

 

Ah, gotcha. Not sure what knock offs you have but I am really impressed with the Firecrest 404's. I dropped 300 or so grams of weight and got the better hubs by changing from the stock wheels my P2 came with. I know the weight is not supposed to be a big deal but it does feel different. They seem to spin up much faster, nice from a take off and nice when cornering and then getting back up to speed. I am very happy with my 404's for the $1,600 I paid, no regrets spending that money.

Might be worth a test ride on some firecrests to see if they are better than your current wheels. 

2014-07-17 1:55 PM
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Originally posted by cornick At this point I've decided against the disc.

but you've ordered some GP4000s and latex tubes right?



Ha! Not yet...soon.

I went to my LBS on lunch and asked about latex tubes and the guy looked at me and had no clue what I was talking about...told me to chat with someone else. So I did and he was trying to steer me clear of them because of my size. I'm 6'6" 215.....

Does size matter (haha) for these?

Originally posted by Aarondb4

Ah, gotcha. Not sure what knock offs you have but I am really impressed with the Firecrest 404's. I dropped 300 or so grams of weight and got the better hubs by changing from the stock wheels my P2 came with. I know the weight is not supposed to be a big deal but it does feel different. They seem to spin up much faster, nice from a take off and nice when cornering and then getting back up to speed. I am very happy with my 404's for the $1,600 I paid, no regrets spending that money.

Might be worth a test ride on some firecrests to see if they are better than your current wheels. 



I'm racing Sunday on a borrowed pair of 808's but they are tubular so I'm not sure if I'll get a "real" feel as I would probably go clincher.
2014-07-17 2:47 PM
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Originally posted by cornick ..... Does size matter (haha) for these?

No. In fact they should be better.

And hey Jeff - nice to see you still getting on it!

2014-07-17 4:24 PM
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Originally posted by axteraa

Originally posted by cornick At this point I've decided against the disc.

but you've ordered some GP4000s and latex tubes right?

Ha! Not yet...soon. I went to my LBS on lunch and asked about latex tubes and the guy looked at me and had no clue what I was talking about...told me to chat with someone else. So I did and he was trying to steer me clear of them because of my size. I'm 6'6" 215..... Does size matter (haha) for these?

When I 1st switched to latex, one of the local LBS told me that they're only good if you do hilly rides. I thanked them and walked out!

Want to geek out on review some tire data, take a look at this site: http://bikeblather.blogspot.com/  The new fast tire referenced isn't available yet but are soon to be.

FWIW, the Conti Attack/Force is suppose to be slightly faster than the 4000s.  Thinner tread layer though if your looking at training & racing in them.

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