Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max
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2014-08-13 10:09 AM |
439 nashville, Tennessee | Subject: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max I've been reading a book by ben greenfield about training. Although I've been training for about 4 years I've actually never performed a LT field test. So yesterday I decided to do a LT run test. My result was 174 which has nothing to do with my question but I wanted to make sure that didn't sound abnormal. I know for biking it will be much lower. So in one chapter of the book he talks about determining your LT so you can determine you training zones. Well then in the next section he talks about training but uses %VO2 max, but never says "hey do this test to determine your VO2 max". Kinda frustrates me that he says to do LT test but then speaks in terms of VO2 max later. Do you need to know both to set up proper training? If so, how do you determine your VO2 max without actually doing blood tests in a lab? |
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2014-08-13 10:11 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max I stopped reading as soon as you said Ben Greenfield. He is a hack. Get a new source. please don't buy his energy bracelets or mouth pieces. |
2014-08-13 10:19 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max I think that Dave Ryan's description here- is pretty clear: Practically- VO2 Max is your maximum oxygen utilization rate, and usually sustainable for 3 to 6 minutes. LT is the level you can sustain for quite a bit longer. ~ an hour. |
2014-08-13 10:24 AM in reply to: 0 |
Veteran 486 Newcastle, England | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max VO2max is interesting to know as a measure of physical fitness. However LT is the more useful piece of knowledge for training. The best way to find your LT for a given sport is in a lab. This way you will not be a few beats out, which can make a big difference if your aim is to train just above or just below. Plus LT can change as you train ... so it is worth having it tested 2 or 3 times in a season as you move through your training phases
Edited by WildWill 2014-08-13 10:25 AM |
2014-08-13 10:32 AM in reply to: WildWill |
439 nashville, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max I know what VO2 max and LT are but I'm wondering if VO2 max is a something you should use to calculate certain training zones. I've mostly seen training plans based on LT% but I'm wondering if some training sessions are based on %VO2 max and if so, how can I determine that without lab test. |
2014-08-13 10:34 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
439 nashville, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by dmiller5 I stopped reading as soon as you said Ben Greenfield. He is a hack. Get a new source. please don't buy his energy bracelets or mouth pieces. Just curious. Do you have reason or evidence that brought you to this conclusion. Anyone else fee this way? Because I bought a pretty big, in-depth book about training by him and I don't wanna waste my time reading all of it if its junk. |
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2014-08-13 10:45 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by mchadcota2 Originally posted by dmiller5 Just curious. Do you have reason or evidence that brought you to this conclusion. Anyone else fee this way? Because I bought a pretty big, in-depth book about training by him and I don't wanna waste my time reading all of it if its junk. I stopped reading as soon as you said Ben Greenfield. He is a hack. Get a new source. please don't buy his energy bracelets or mouth pieces. Exhibit A: http://www./2012/08/do-power-bracelets-really-work/ Exhibit B: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2yK_jqy4aU X |
2014-08-13 10:52 AM in reply to: dmiller5 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max I'd recommend Matt Fitzgerald's stuff over Greenfield any day of the week. |
2014-08-13 10:55 AM in reply to: WildWill |
Pro 5361 | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by WildWill ...The best way to find your LT for a given sport is in a lab... For me- I never find out what I can do until race day. There's something about seeing the first place guy in my age group, 20 feet in front of me, that get's me to find out my LT. |
2014-08-13 10:56 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max I would agree that you should steer clear of Greenfield - the biggest danger with him is that he mixes good information with snake oil and there is no way for the lay person to figure out what is correct. If you just want to understand the how and why of triathlon training, I would recommend Dr Phil Skiba's books - available at http://www.physfarm.com. Shane |
2014-08-13 11:33 AM in reply to: gsmacleod |
439 nashville, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by gsmacleod I would agree that you should steer clear of Greenfield - the biggest danger with him is that he mixes good information with snake oil and there is no way for the lay person to figure out what is correct. If you just want to understand the how and why of triathlon training, I would recommend Dr Phil Skiba's books - available at http://www.physfarm.com. Shane Well I'm mainly reading it for training principles which I would think wouldn't vary a whole lot between different experts. As far as the snake oil, I don't listen to any type of supplement advertisement because I don't believe in too many supplements. Hopefully I can decipher the good stuff from the junk. |
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2014-08-13 11:34 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Seriously, if you don't want to waste your time, avoid greenfield. |
2014-08-13 11:37 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max If you want to learn, then I would recommend Skiba's books as the best available triathlon specific resources. The problem with Greenfield is that he isn't just selling snake oil as supplements, he mixes mythology and gimmicks into everything he does. You can certainly try to separate the wheat from the chaff but IMO, it is not worth the effort. Buy a good resource and go from there. Shane |
2014-08-13 12:37 PM in reply to: gsmacleod |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by gsmacleod I would agree that you should steer clear of Greenfield - the biggest danger with him is that he mixes good information with snake oil and there is no way for the lay person to figure out what is correct. If you just want to understand the how and why of triathlon training, I would recommend Dr Phil Skiba's books - available at http://www.physfarm.com. Shane Agree with this. Also re the original question, doing an LT field test is fine. You do not need a Vo2 max test. |
2014-08-13 12:47 PM in reply to: 0 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by dmiller5 I stopped reading as soon as you said Ben Greenfield. He is a hack. Get a new source. please don't buy his energy bracelets or mouth pieces. He is actually incredibly smart, just his a business man first and you need to sift through his pile of crap first. And yes Skiba is one of the better, more easily to read, understand, etc. Edited by bcagle25 2014-08-13 12:48 PM |
2014-08-13 4:59 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
New user 147 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by dmiller5 I stopped reading as soon as you said Ben Greenfield. He is a hack. Get a new source. please don't buy his energy bracelets or mouth pieces. He is actually incredibly smart, just his a business man first and you need to sift through his pile of crap first. And yes Skiba is one of the better, more easily to read, understand, etc. In some cases, literally pile of crap, Google "ben greenfield squatty potty" |
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2014-08-13 5:33 PM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by bcagle25 He is actually incredibly smart, just his a business man first and you need to sift through his pile of crap first. This makes it even worse that he'll promote anything to make a buck. It would be one thing if he didn't know better but to knowingly trade on hope and ignorance is reprehensible. Shane |
2014-08-13 5:48 PM in reply to: 0 |
928 | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by gsmacleod Originally posted by bcagle25 He is actually incredibly smart, just his a business man first and you need to sift through his pile of crap first. This makes it even worse that he'll promote anything to make a buck. It would be one thing if he didn't know better but to knowingly trade on hope and ignorance is reprehensible. Shane I never read his stuff, and now I'm glad I didn't. Sounds like the Dr. Oz of triathlon. Edited by jennifer_runs 2014-08-13 5:48 PM |
2014-08-13 7:41 PM in reply to: 0 |
Master 2406 Bellevue, WA | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by dmiller5 I stopped reading as soon as you said Ben Greenfield. He is a hack. Get a new source. please don't buy his energy bracelets or mouth pieces. I too stopped reading. Clearly Ben Greenfield's goal in life is maximizing revenue to Ben Greenfield. Look at the gear he sells: http://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/product-category/gear/ Normal triathlon gear, some off the beaten path "you don't need that junk" stuff, and then flat out mumbo jumbo science stuff such as the energy bracelet: http://greenfieldfitnesssystems.com/product/superhuman-performance-bracelet/ The Superhuman Performance Bracelet is the world’s first wristband specifically designed to increase your physical performance, decrease damage from electrical pollution, and enhance sleep – all by harnessing piezeolectricity via a built-in “Encoder” – which vibrates at specific frequencies so tiny that you cannot feel the vibration, but still experience all the benefits. What’s the difference between the Superhuman Performance Bracelet and other wristbands, necklaces, medallions or other devices? The other products – from bracelets to necklaces to wristband – are either hologram or magnet based. But the Encoder is different. It is the first and only device to have adapted piezoelectric technology. The disc inside the Encoder itself is the culmination of complex biosonic repatterning via sonic neurotechnology – which (translated) is the precise mechanical manipulation of soundwaves to cause the disc to vibrate, which brings about your desired changes in your physical and mental performance – including balance, better thinking, enhanced sleep, and much more. If you can't tell this is quackery, then click the link at the bottom and read it. If you still don't think it's quackery, then you desperately need a better quack detector. As others said, that's the problem with Ben Greenfield. He mixes in rock solid advice with dubious advice with shameless quackery. I've got better things to do than try to sift real information from bogus information. Edited by brucemorgan 2014-08-13 7:41 PM |
2014-08-13 10:53 PM in reply to: gsmacleod |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by gsmacleod Originally posted by bcagle25 He is actually incredibly smart, just his a business man first and you need to sift through his pile of crap first. This makes it even worse that he'll promote anything to make a buck. It would be one thing if he didn't know better but to knowingly trade on hope and ignorance is reprehensible. Shane Kinda like WTC |
2014-08-14 9:18 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
439 nashville, Tennessee | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Awe c'mon...there has to be someone on here that likes Ben Greenfield? Gotta be.. I spent 30 dollars on his book so I need someone to tell me "Yeah he's great and you'll learn so much!" The book had a lot of great reviews from so called "fitness experts and coaches" but you never know how reliable those reviews are. |
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2014-08-14 9:19 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Extreme Veteran 2261 Ridgeland, Mississippi | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Yeah he's great and you'll learn so much!!! |
2014-08-14 9:21 AM in reply to: msteiner |
Extreme Veteran 3025 Maryland | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by msteiner Yeah he's great and you'll learn so much!!! the ben greenfield center for kids who don't run good, and wanna learn to do other stuff good too. |
2014-08-14 9:32 AM in reply to: mchadcota2 |
Expert 2355 Madison, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by mchadcota2 Awe c'mon...there has to be someone on here that likes Ben Greenfield? Gotta be.. I spent 30 dollars on his book so I need someone to tell me "Yeah he's great and you'll learn so much!" The book had a lot of great reviews from so called "fitness experts and coaches" but you never know how reliable those reviews are. Like I said in a previous post he is really intelligent and knows his stuff, but yes he will promote anything, I mean ANYTHING. So when you read his stuff you really need to understand what you are reading, toss of the crap to get to the good stuff, but that is tricky and for many they don't know how to do that. I don't recommend him to anyone that isn't too formally education in exercise and sport science. Do I like him? Not really, some of my friends are on the Timex team and don't speak to highly of him, does that matter? not really. They guy makes a TON of money doing what he does, he combines his fitness passion with an excellent business. |
2014-08-14 9:45 AM in reply to: bcagle25 |
Pro 6011 Camp Hill, Pennsylvania | Subject: RE: Lactate Threshold vs VO2 max Originally posted by bcagle25 Originally posted by mchadcota2 Awe c'mon...there has to be someone on here that likes Ben Greenfield? Gotta be.. I spent 30 dollars on his book so I need someone to tell me "Yeah he's great and you'll learn so much!" The book had a lot of great reviews from so called "fitness experts and coaches" but you never know how reliable those reviews are. Like I said in a previous post he is really intelligent and knows his stuff, but yes he will promote anything, I mean ANYTHING. So when you read his stuff you really need to understand what you are reading, toss of the crap to get to the good stuff, but that is tricky and for many they don't know how to do that. I don't recommend him to anyone that isn't too formally education in exercise and sport science. Do I like him? Not really, some of my friends are on the Timex team and don't speak to highly of him, does that matter? not really. They guy makes a TON of money doing what he does, he combines his fitness passion with an excellent business. x2 (or 3 or 4?) IMO, an intelligent guy, but a total snake oil salesman. I also feel the apparent complete lack of integrity in selling anything no matter how obviously bogus it is is unethical. I have no respect for the guy.
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