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2014-08-23 7:10 PM

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I am a 32 year old female who has been competing in triathlons for over a year now. I grew up as a gymnast and have had chronic back problems, mostly in my lower back. Usually I can deal with it, and I work hard to not bend with my back and all that. Occasionally i do too much and sometimes the pain gets so bad I have had to go to the doctor for pain meds. In the last 10 years I have tried everything from massage therapy, muscle relaxers, to the chiropractor. I have also tried back and abdominal exercises to strengthen everything.So on Sunday August 10th, I worked on a painting project at my local animal shelter where I painted for 12, yes 12, hours. Needless to say my back started to hurt halfway through the project, but being a workhorse, I continued.

On Monday the 11th my back hurt pretty bad but I chalked it up to just being sore from working so hard. The 12th was a little worse, and so on during the week. On Friday the pain was so bad that I took as much ibuprofen as I could, laid back, and used ice. Urgent care is so expensive even with insurance. By Sunday morning I was on the verge of wanting to throw myself off the balcony I was hurting so bad. Instead, I got a ride to urgent care. The doctor there basically diagnosed me with a bulged disc and gave me a shot of toradol, and gave me prednisone, Vicodin, and Valium. So you are all thinking I must be feeling great right?

The pain is mostly gone but I know the drugs are only masking the pain. I have missed two weeks of training and even through I can go for short walks and light swims (treading water and floating) I am feeling very depressed about my training. I am signed up for a half iron in may of 2015 and even though that is a ways away, I miss just being able to get out on the bike, or put on my shoes and run. It takes 2 weeks to begin seriously losing endurance and I feel like that's where I am right now. I want to do one more tri before the end of the season but I feel like I am losing so much training time.

What kind of words of encouragement can you give me to keep me from just wanting to cry? I miss triathlon so much and never knew how much it meant to me until I find myself stuck on the couch feeling like if I push it too far I can undo all of the recovery I have been required to do. What is a maniac to do? While I wait for your answers, I'm heading to the pool to float....



2014-08-23 7:24 PM
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I have disc issues as well and my inversion table has kept me off of the operating table. Try a good one that allows you to rotate only as far as you feel comfortable.
2014-08-23 7:58 PM
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I have a friend who has one of those and just offered it as an option. I wondered how successful it might be. Thanks!!!
2014-08-23 8:00 PM
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Originally posted by ladyluna67 I am a 32 year old female who has been competing in triathlons for over a year now. I grew up as a gymnast and have had chronic back problems, mostly in my lower back. Usually I can deal with it, and I work hard to not bend with my back and all that. Occasionally i do too much and sometimes the pain gets so bad I have had to go to the doctor for pain meds. In the last 10 years I have tried everything from massage therapy, muscle relaxers, to the chiropractor. I have also tried back and abdominal exercises to strengthen everything.So on Sunday August 10th, I worked on a painting project at my local animal shelter where I painted for 12, yes 12, hours. Needless to say my back started to hurt halfway through the project, but being a workhorse, I continued. On Monday the 11th my back hurt pretty bad but I chalked it up to just being sore from working so hard. The 12th was a little worse, and so on during the week. On Friday the pain was so bad that I took as much ibuprofen as I could, laid back, and used ice. Urgent care is so expensive even with insurance. By Sunday morning I was on the verge of wanting to throw myself off the balcony I was hurting so bad. Instead, I got a ride to urgent care. The doctor there basically diagnosed me with a bulged disc and gave me a shot of toradol, and gave me prednisone, Vicodin, and Valium. So you are all thinking I must be feeling great right? The pain is mostly gone but I know the drugs are only masking the pain. I have missed two weeks of training and even through I can go for short walks and light swims (treading water and floating) I am feeling very depressed about my two lower back surgeries training. I am signed up for a half iron in may of 2015 and even though that is a ways away, I miss just being able to get out on the bike, or put on my shoes and run. It takes 2 weeks to begin seriously losing endurance and I feel like that's where I am right now. I want to do one more tri before the end of the season but I feel like I am losing so much training time. What kind of words of encouragement can you give me to keep me from just wanting to cry? I miss triathlon so much and never knew how much it meant to me until I find myself stuck on the couch feeling like if I push it too far I can undo all of the recovery I have been required to do. What is a maniac to do? While I wait for your answers, I'm heading to the pool to float....

I've had 2 lower back surgeries and cervical surgery for cracked C4 and C5 vertebrae.  I'm trying to figure out how an urgent care doctor diagnosed a bulged disc with no MRI, CT scan, etc.  On top of that, as far as I'm concerned, he ought to be jailed for giving you the drug cocktail he sent you home with.  I'm no doctor.....but I doubt I'd call that person a doctor either.

2014-08-23 8:06 PM
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Be sure to give yourself a chance to get comfortable with the experience of being inverted. It may take a few sessions to get used to it. You must relax. I hope it helps.
2014-08-23 8:17 PM
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April 4th this year while practicing for an off-road motorcycle desert race I wrecked pretty bad. Broken clavicle- 3 places- 6 broken ribs- collapsed lung- concussion ect. Last Sunday I ran a Sprint distance triathlon. While it seems hopeless right now there is a future for you still in triathlon. Focus on recovery- even if it can't start today carrying that positive mental attitude helps the spirit and I believe physically as well. Smile and enjoy life even though sometimes it sucks



2014-08-23 8:52 PM
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Congrats on being able to get back into tri. That's amazing!! I'm curious if there are any stretches I can do that wont undo some of my recovery. Or should i just do my best to stay still? Which feels practically impossible, as I'm sure you understand!
2014-08-23 10:07 PM
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So sorry to hear you're in so much pain!!  I second LB - there's no way to diagnose a bulging disc without radiography. I have fairly severe disc degeneration and some bulging discs in my low back so I have to be really careful about hyper-extending my back as well as other things like lots of bending or lifting. 

I had a similar experience: long-term but manageable back pain, then something seemingly benign that ended up feeling catastrophic.  My recovery wasn't as quick but I had a couple detours because of hip surgeries to repair torn cartilage.  Despite being told in January that I needed a spinal fusion, I did my first tri last Sunday and am planning to do another in a month.

One thing I find that I can do when my back really hurts is to swim with a pull buoy.  That engages my core and works my arms.  It's not ideal but at least it's more than nothing.  Riding on my trainer works too, most of the time.  Riding on the road can be rough sometimes depending on the surface, and when running, I really prefer to avoid concrete or asphalt if possible.  I also swear by a topical analgesic called Theragesic.  It smells to high heaven but it feels really good.

For now, try the swimming and some simple core exercises like side planks or "pointer dogs" (while on hands and knees, engage core and lift leg out straight out behind you and hold keeping hips level; for more challenge, lift leg and opposite arm).  Another good one is what I can a "mini-crunch": lying on your back, engage your abs and lift your shoulders up off the floor and hold.  Also, if the ice isn't working, try heat.  To get some cardio benefits, try using an aqua jogger in the pool.  It basically lets you run in the pool so you get the benefit of walking or running without the impact.

Hope you heal up soon!!

2014-08-23 10:22 PM
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Why not see a sports trained ortho who specializes in back issues? Your Him is months away get healthy now and then get back to training. I had back surgery 15 years ago and if my back acts up I avoid er or urgent care and see someone who can help me long term not a general doc. Injuries are frustrating but part of life and sport learning how to deal with them is post of it. My knee issues stated 4 years ago, 2 surgeries, 10+ docs, 6 PTS reality is my knee prevents me from doing tris, I struggle to walk at a normal pace, and knee replacement is in my future. Do the best you can with what you have and enjoy it.
2014-08-23 10:34 PM
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I suppose that whether or not it is in fact bulged or not, the pain has been very real and comes back time after time which is why I have tried so hard to stay healthy and stretch and all. Even now as I lay in bed I feel tremendous pressure on my back, whether I lay on my back or stomach. It's almost as if a 5000 pound man is standing on my back. This happens even when I don't have the current issue that this topic is about. The "5000 pound man" pain is definitely secondary to my original pain that sent me to urgent care. The pain killers seem to be working, minus this very moment, but again the pain is in a different place. To be clear about the original pain, it started in my lower back and the shot pain down my left glute and sometimes halfway down to my knee.
2014-08-23 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by KathyG

Why not see a sports trained ortho who specializes in back issues? Your Him is months away get healthy now and then get back to training. I had back surgery 15 years ago and if my back acts up I avoid er or urgent care and see someone who can help me long term not a general doc. Injuries are frustrating but part of life and sport learning how to deal with them is post of it. My knee issues stated 4 years ago, 2 surgeries, 10+ docs, 6 PTS reality is my knee prevents me from doing tris, I struggle to walk at a normal pace, and knee replacement is in my future. Do the best you can with what you have and enjoy it.



Thanks! Is there a certain website anywhere with good recommendations for those types of docs? Kind of like how there are databases for cancer doctors and such?


2014-08-23 10:39 PM
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Originally posted by ladyluna67
Originally posted by KathyG Why not see a sports trained ortho who specializes in back issues? Your Him is months away get healthy now and then get back to training. I had back surgery 15 years ago and if my back acts up I avoid er or urgent care and see someone who can help me long term not a general doc. Injuries are frustrating but part of life and sport learning how to deal with them is post of it. My knee issues stated 4 years ago, 2 surgeries, 10+ docs, 6 PTS reality is my knee prevents me from doing tris, I struggle to walk at a normal pace, and knee replacement is in my future. Do the best you can with what you have and enjoy it.
Thanks! Is there a certain website anywhere with good recommendations for those types of docs? Kind of like how there are databases for cancer doctors and such?

Find out who treats local professional/college athletes ......you will find help there.

2014-08-24 6:31 AM
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I had a bulged disc in my neck back around 1999 or 2000.  Diagnosed with an MRI I was sent to a surgeon that prescribed physical therapy.  It took about 2 weeks of PT to get rid of most of the pain and about a month before I was pretty much symptom free. To this day if I sleep on it funny or don't pay attention to my posture when sitting I wind up having to do a few days of the home PT I was given during my sessions.

I would also question the diagnosis without an MRI as my symptoms were not pain in my neck.  It started as a stiff neck, and that is what I  still get if I am not careful, but the real pain was in my shoulder and arm along with numbness in my lower arm and hand.  The tip of my thumb is still numb from this.  I know each disc has different nerves passing between them but most people I know with lower disc issues show some issues with one of their legs. 

Bottom line, if it is a disc problem  it should be properly diagnosed with an MRI.  It is treatable with physical therapy if it hasnt gone too far which would get you back to training fairly quickly. 

Good luck.

2014-08-24 8:15 AM
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I agree with LB about finding a specialist who treats the local athletes. You do NOT want anyone but a real specialist helping you with your back. I also agree with kenj about Physical Therapy. In my experience, PT done right is extremely effective and can often be a better approach than surgery.
2014-08-24 10:34 AM
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I feel your pain -- literally. I herniated a disc in my lower back (between L1/S5) in 2012 playing basketball (I'm 32).

At a certain point, I insisted on an MRI to confirm the diagnosis. You might want to do this to understand what you are facing. Two surgeons then wanted to operate on me, but I refused.

No two injuries are the same, but as long as you're not feeling numbness in your limbs and hands, you should be good shape. I agree with the recommendation of physical therapy. I went to a sports PT place, and they were great. I would get traction, electric stimulation, sometimes massages, and work out in the gym. The gym built my strength back up and gave me stretches that I could carry on with me.

I also had an shot in the back, which helped quite a bit. I have an inversion table as well that I still use.

The key is to be careful and smart about it moving forward. If you feel tightness in your back .. stretch it out. Take a day or two off. The risk of re-injury is high (I learned this the hard way with a pretty bad set back about 9 months after the injury).

You will bounce back. You will have better days. I'm looking forward to hearing about your triumphant return.
2014-08-24 3:08 PM
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Another thing to consider is a chiropractor who specializes in rehab.  Google rehab chiropractic; there are lots of options.  I went to a guy who does adjustments but also acupuncture, isometric stretches, gives exercises, applies Kinesiotape, the whole 9 yards.  I got way more out of seeing him than I did out of going to PT.



2014-08-24 3:41 PM
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Originally posted by laffinrock

Another thing to consider is a chiropractor who specializes in rehab.  Google rehab chiropractic; there are lots of options.  I went to a guy who does adjustments but also acupuncture, isometric stretches, gives exercises, applies Kinesiotape, the whole 9 yards.  I got way more out of seeing him than I did out of going to PT.




Didn't think of that! I've been to one chiropractor here and it didn't seem to do much good. More just felt I was spending a $55 copay three days a week which got expensive. I also always felt kind of rushed out the door when I was there. Adjustments freaked me out when they would crack my neck. Oh my gosh, the thought of that makes me cringe!
2014-08-24 8:20 PM
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You asked if you should remain still -- definitely not. Walk. Move around. Stretches. Anything to keep moving before you can seriously start to train again.

A great stretch that has helped me is the yoga poses "cat" and "cow."
http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/2467
2014-08-25 2:45 PM
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  • .. You asked if you should remain still -- definitely not. Walk. Move around...


  • I second this ^^^

    While everyone's injury and response to it is different, my personal experience following a bad ski crash (don't ski fast under the lift towers) and three months in a back brace was to get out walking ASAP. I work a University and park about one mile away so in a typical week I walk about 10 miles. IMHO this was the best therapy I could have had.

    Best of luck to you!!!
    2014-08-25 3:15 PM
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    Figure it out now before it gets worse.

    I had S1 herniated and L4 + L5 compressed about 5 years ago. Could not feel my left foot for a month. I could not run or swim, but I could ride a bike. All depends where your disc is compressed. I had problems that sound like your up to 10 years before that, but with Dr's dismissing things quickly as compressed disc's(no MRI) and sending me to a crappy PT the problem never really got addressed.

    x-rays will not show this stuff, you need an MRI, I agree with LB on the urgent care diagnoses.

    Dr's wanted to operate on me but I refused, spent 3 months with a PT to get straightened out. Proper stretching is a big part of this, along with keeping your core strong. You want to find a good Physical Therapist, mine was able to do a 1 hr evaluation and told me what was going on in my back before looking at the MRI disc.

    I still have problems here and there and have flare ups, but know what to do when it happens. Earlier this summer I had a bad flare up and decided to try tan inversion table, all pain was gone in 2 days. Only time will tell, but that was by far the fastest recovery I ever had to my back pain. Now I just get on the table 2-3 times a week for "maintenance". So far I'm thinking the $150 on an inversion table was one of my best purchases ever.
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    Originally posted by jeremyscarroll

    You asked if you should remain still -- definitely not. Walk. Move around. Stretches. Anything to keep moving before you can seriously start to train again.

    A great stretch that has helped me is the yoga poses "cat" and "cow."
    http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/2467



    I have been getting in the pool for the last few days and doing some easy swimming and stretches in the pool and it seems to help take some of the weight off my joints if you know what I mean. Today I walked a mile with the dogs and I feel ok. I still have three more days of prednisone and then we will see how my back reacts to the change. I was able to get in some good floor stretches today so I'm feeling hopeful. I really aprieciate everything you all have said this week. I don't feel so alone! Getting on the inversion table this week so I will post updates for how it goes. Again thank you all for your kind words! I live in a town that has few triathletes so you are the ones who understand me!


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    Originally posted by mike761 Figure it out now before it gets worse. I had S1 herniated and L4 + L5 compressed about 5 years ago. Could not feel my left foot for a month. I could not run or swim, but I could ride a bike. All depends where your disc is compressed. I had problems that sound like your up to 10 years before that, but with Dr's dismissing things quickly as compressed disc's(no MRI) and sending me to a crappy PT the problem never really got addressed. x-rays will not show this stuff, you need an MRI, I agree with LB on the urgent care diagnoses. Dr's wanted to operate on me but I refused, spent 3 months with a PT to get straightened out. Proper stretching is a big part of this, along with keeping your core strong. You want to find a good Physical Therapist, mine was able to do a 1 hr evaluation and told me what was going on in my back before looking at the MRI disc. I still have problems here and there and have flare ups, but know what to do when it happens. Earlier this summer I had a bad flare up and decided to try tan inversion table, all pain was gone in 2 days. Only time will tell, but that was by far the fastest recovery I ever had to my back pain. Now I just get on the table 2-3 times a week for "maintenance". So far I'm thinking the $150 on an inversion table was one of my best purchases ever. [/QUOTE]

     

    I recently bought an inversion table due to my recent discovery (via MRI) of multiple bulging disks and one herniated, L5, SI.

    I'm looking for recommendations on using the table.  How often, how long per "set" and how deep?  I don't want to aggravate things before my surgical consult in January.  I'm going to hold off on surgery unless the Surgeon feels there is risk of long term nerve damage as I'm dealing with throbbing and aching down my right leg, glute, hammie, calf.

    Oh and I start yoga on Tuesday which between the table and yoga many people are telling me I can fix all the compression in my lower back... 

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    Originally posted by jeremyscarroll

    You asked if you should remain still -- definitely not. Walk. Move around. Stretches. Anything to keep moving before you can seriously start to train again.

    A great stretch that has helped me is the yoga poses "cat" and "cow."
    http://www.yogajournal.com/poses/2467



    I too have bulging discs in my lower back and have found yoga, epecially cat/cow to be helpful. I actually do it just about after every run just to loosen my back out after repeated compressive motions.
    2014-12-14 10:46 PM
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    Medicine helps with the pain, but I think it just masks it!

    I hurt my lower back when I was in the Navy 10+ years ago. Spent many years taking medicine just to "get by".

    Keep searching for a great massage therapist, PT or Chiro.

    Is your pain localized, or does it run down your leg(s)? Is it does, you may consider talking to a surgeon.

    After all these years, last year the pain started to get a lot worse down the log and started to lose some feeling in the ankle. The back hurt A LOT. I finally bit the bullet, had surgery, and 4 weeks later I was PAIN FREE and back in the pool!

    Hope you find a solution, and recover quickly.
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    You indicated pain shooting into the left gluteal area and then down to the knee. Just based upon this statement, it indicates an issue at L4-L5 as the sciatic nerve originates at this location. Without detailed scanning, it is difficult to say "why" you have this issue but it is likely you have a misalignment of your spinal column. If L5 is tilted then the vertebrate above will also move in an attempt to compensate. The cracking sensation during adjustment could be supportive of this misalignment. Good news? Your body may naturally deal with the bulging disc matter and slowly remove it along with pain reduction. Bad news? Your spinal alignment is not fixed. You need to attempt to correct this issue. This may also mean using home inversion tables and being smart with your activities to avoid making things bad.
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