IOC and transgender athletes

Yes but that is before they are allowed to compete, how about afterwards? Can they just get their medal, reverse their hormone therapy and then go back to living as a man?

So you think that's what transgender people do?  They become a different gender to win a medal and then switch back?  You do realize that NOT ONE SINGLE PART of the rule has been changed except that transgender folks don't have to have a re-assignment surgery, right? Nothing is different then it has been. It'll be OK.......we'll all survive.  Nobody is going to cheat you out of your next Olympic medal. 

Gotcha.......my bad.   I had this conversation today with a couple of idiots......it carried over.  My apologies.

I see, no worries.   My comment that you quoted, when taken on it's own, did read like I thought that.

Trust me, your argument is not close to the idiots I was talking to.  Look, do I think some moron will cheat.....maybe.  But that's not a good enough reason to not do what's right for other people.

I get your point and to be clear I'm not saying change the rule and or do away with it.  I just think it's an interesting change to a rule.

HAHAHAHA!!!  I'm probably the least PC person you know.  I have references.

Dude, Athena's are big women, not transgender men.  It's a hard concept I know,  maybe find a 10 year old to explain it to you.

What are you torn about exactly? The surgery? Transgender people competing? These two articles aren't really apples to apples anyway. 

In regard to lifting the requirement of the surgery, as simpsonbro said, "They monitor the levels and it must meet a specified threshold for a year."  

There should really be no reason for the surgery. It's wildy expensive and like any surgery, has a risk associated. Most important, the actual surgery isn't what could give them an advantage or disadvantage. 

Not that what I think means anything in the grand scheme of things...

And as LB stated the only thing that has changed is the requirement for surgery, so I guess the point is really moot. I guess what gets me is the idea of fairness.  You yourself have mentioned before that women will always have a significant challenge beating men. Even if a man identifies as a woman and has been taking hormones for however long, she (formerly he) still has the benefit of having the genetic make up and the training as a man for who knows how many years. 

Are there women who may be genetically stronger than other women? Of course but is that a good comparison.  Let's say Lelisa Desisa comes out as transgender, starts hormonal therapy, and gets to the approved levels to compete with the women. He has a clear advantage of having trained with the genetic make up of a man for many years. He will likely have a significant advantage over the other women.

I'm not a doctor, maybe I don't understand the significance of the changes caused by hormones. That's why I asked. As I said, my only thought is "is it fair".

Yeah, and I think no matter what your chromosomes say, your hormone profile is what matters in terms of fairness. And they have set the term of monitoring the hormone therapy (which isn't like an off/off switch) the changes happen over a long period of time.

The therapy is basically like the opposite of doping. The question then becomes, is it enough to negate the advantages of being biologically male. Both the ICC and the IOC have determined that yes, yes it does. Here is the IAAF link for the conditions: http://media.wix.com/ugd/2bc3fc_476cfbfe00df48c3aa5322a29d5e11b2.pdf A transman would be competing as a man, not a woman and taking testosterone would probably not be any less legal than it would be for male athletes with androgen deficiency to take T, which IS legal with a TUE, provided they stay within the defined ranges. 

Is it even possible to get a TUE for T ?  I thought that was essentially impossible even though the rules say it's available.  Or am I just thinking of triathlon?

I believe so but I think it is only for hypogonadism. 

"I guess somebody may be so obsessed of getting a medal, but what are the chances."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_in_East_Germany

I think the chances are better then people want to imagine, albeit still small.  But Asalzwed gave a pretty good explanation of what goes on with the process.  My questioning around it was more if someone, not someone identifying as transgendered, but rather someone looking for an advantage could go through the process.  Then later simply stop and the effects easily reverse themselves.  That's why I was curious about how it all worked.