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The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.


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JMK said- " That's no big deal in the years before the election, but we're less than nine months before we have to vote for a new POTUS, and there isn't anyone who can definitively say what the leading GOP candidate's position is on any major issue."
He clearly wants to build a big wall. Major issues? I don't see a clear plan from him either.

That is a good point.  What is Hillary's plan?

Only thing I've seen is "status quo".  

Lots of specifics here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/Hey, you asked!

I clicked that link and it installed a virus... just kidding.

Thanks, for posting that.  I did read through a few of the non "filler position" ones and they're still pretty vague.  

Hillary on the ACA:

  • Defend the Affordable Care Act and build on it to slow the growth of out-of-pocket costs.

  • Crack down on rising prescription drug prices and hold drug companies accountable so they get ahead by investing in research, not jacking up costs.

  • Protect women’s access to reproductive health care, including contraception and safe, legal abortion.

In comparison, Trump on ACA (https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions)

  1. Completely repeal Obamacare. Our elected representatives must eliminate the individual mandate. No person should be required to buy insurance unless he or she wants to.
  2. Modify existing law that inhibits the sale of health insurance across state lines. As long as the plan purchased complies with state requirements, any vendor ought to be able to offer insurance in any state. By allowing full competition in this market, insurance costs will go down and consumer satisfaction will go up.
  3. Allow individuals to fully deduct health insurance premium payments from their tax returns under the current tax system. Businesses are allowed to take these deductions so why wouldn’t Congress allow individuals the same exemptions? As we allow the free market to provide insurance coverage opportunities to companies and individuals, we must also make sure that no one slips through the cracks simply because they cannot afford insurance. We must review basic options for Medicaid and work with states to ensure that those who want healthcare coverage can have it.
  4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
  5. Require price transparency from all healthcare providers, especially doctors and healthcare organizations like clinics and hospitals. Individuals should be able to shop to find the best prices for procedures, exams or any other medical-related procedure.
  6. Block-grant Medicaid to the states. Nearly every state already offers benefits beyond what is required in the current Medicaid structure. The state governments know their people best and can manage the administration of Medicaid far better without federal overhead. States will have the incentives to seek out and eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources.
  7. Remove barriers to entry into free markets for drug providers that offer safe, reliable and cheaper products. Congress will need the courage to step away from the special interests and do what is right for America. Though the pharmaceutical industry is in the private sector, drug companies provide a public service. Allowing consumers access to imported, safe and dependable drugs from overseas will bring more options to consumers.

I'm not suggesting Trump's is super specific either, but looking at the few and comparing I'd wager that Trumps are quite a bit more specific than Hillary's.  ;-)

One aspect that I think we could both agree on is allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines.  That's a huge "special interest" honey pot that they use to inhibit competition and keep premiums high for both of us.




We are really hijacking this thread, but come on!!! How can you look at those two sites and come to the conclusion that Trump is more specific! Trump has 6 as in SIX positions on his page. Hillary has like 30!!! Trump does not even have a national security position listed How is that possible?

As to insurance companies selling over state lines...I thought you were a big states rights guy? Why would you want a state with great health outcomes like mine - MN - to have to accept sub-par insurance plans from another state?

Also, you obviously didn't bother to scroll down Hillary's Health Care page further or you would have seen this:

Hillary has never given up on the fight for universal coverage—and she won’t stop now. Building on the Affordable Care Act to expand coverage for millions of Americans, Hillary will:

• Make premiums more affordable and lessen out-of-pocket expenses for consumers purchasing health insurance on the Obamacare exchanges. Hillary believes that in order to expand coverage for families, we need to reduce the cost of purchasing health insurance on the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Her plan will provide enhanced relief for people on the exchanges, and provide a tax credit of up to $5,000 per family to offset a portion of excessive out-of-pocket and premium costs above 5% of their income. She will enhance the premium tax credits now available through the exchanges so that those now eligible will pay less of a percentage of their income than under current law and ensure that all families purchasing on the exchange will not spend more than 8.5 percent of their income for premiums. Finally, she will fix the “family glitch” so that families can access coverage when their employer’s family plan premium is too expensive.


• Support new incentives to encourage all states to expand Medicaid. Hillary will fight for health insurance for our lowest income residents living in every state across the nation. Hillary will follow President Obama’s proposal to allow any state that signs up for the Medicaid expansion to receive a 100 percent match for the first three years, and she will continue to look for other ways to incentivize states to expand Medicaid to meet the health needs of their most vulnerable residents.


• Invest in navigators, advertising and other outreach activities to make enrollment easier. Today, as many as 16 million people or half of all those uninsured are eligible but not enrolled in virtually free Medicaid coverage or exchange coverage for as little as $100 a month or less. Hillary will ensure anyone who wants to enroll can understand their options and do so easily, by dedicating more funding for outreach and enrollment efforts. She will invest $500 million per year in an aggressive enrollment campaign to ensure more people enroll in these extremely affordable options.


• Expand access to affordable health care to families regardless of immigration status. Hillary sponsored the Immigrant Children’s Health Improvement Act in the Senate, which later became law and allows immigrant children and pregnant women to obtain Medicaid and CHIP. She believes we should let families—regardless of immigration status—buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges. Families who want to purchase health insurance should be able to do so.


• Continue to support a “public option”—and work to build on the Affordable Care Act to make it possible. As she did in her 2008 campaign health plan, and consistently since then, Hillary supports a “public option” to reduce costs and broaden the choices of insurance coverage for every American. To make immediate progress toward that goal, Hillary will work with interested governors, using current flexibility under the Affordable Care Act, to empower states to establish a public option choice.


Going forward, Hillary will build on these efforts and fight to ensure that the savings from these reforms benefits families—not just insurance companies, drug companies, and large corporations.

• Defend the Affordable Care Act. Hillary will continue to defend the Affordable Care Act (ACA) against Republican efforts to repeal it. She'll build on it to expand affordable coverage, slow the growth of overall health care costs (including prescription drugs), and make it possible for providers to deliver the very best care to patients.


• Lower out-of-pocket costs like copays and deductibles. The average deductible for employer-sponsored health plans rose from $1,240 in 2002 to about $2,500 in 2013. American families are being squeezed by rising out-of-pocket health care costs. Hillary believes that workers should share in slower growth of national health care spending through lower costs.


• Reduce the cost of prescription drugs. Prescription drug spending accelerated from 2.5 percent in 2013 to 12.6 percent in 2014. It’s no wonder that almost three-quarters of Americans believe prescription drug costs are unreasonable. Hillary believes we need to demand lower drug costs for hardworking families and seniors.


• Transform our health care system to reward value and quality. Hillary is committed to building on delivery system reforms in the Affordable Care Act that improve value and quality care for Americans.


Hillary will also work to expand access to rural Americans, who often have difficulty finding quality, affordable health care. She will explore cost-effective ways to broaden the scope of health care providers eligible for telehealth reimbursement under Medicare and other programs, including federally qualified health centers and rural health clinics. She will also call for states to support efforts to streamline licensing for telemedicine and examine ways to expand the types of services that qualify for reimbursement.

Hillary is continuing a lifelong fight to ensure women have access to reproductive health care. As senator, she championed access to emergency contraception and voted in favor of strengthening a woman’s right to make her own health decisions. As president, she will continue defending Planned Parenthood, which provides critical health services including breast exams and cancer screenings to 2.7 million women a year. And she will work to ensure that all women have access to preventive care, affordable contraception, and safe, legal abortion—not just in principle, but in practice, by ending restrictions like the Hyde Amendment.
2016-03-07 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by mdg2003 The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.

Without question, he's campaigning just like Obama did.  It obviously worked well for Obama and so far it's working well for Trump.

The biggest issue that most conservatives have with him is they feel he's fiscally conservative but too socially progressive.  I honestly think that's a good thing because the problem with the RNC in the past has been pushing fiscally liberal social conservatives. 

 

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The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.


The thing is, that's not really true.

It may very well be that today, eight years after the election, it's hard to remember what Obama the Candidate promised, since we're all more focused today on what Obama the President delivered.

And it's probably also true that, eight years hence, what we all remember is "hope and change" in the same way that I remember "no new taxes" from Bush and "Shining City on the Hill" from Reagan more than I recall their any of their specific positions on most things.

And it's also true that a common talking point of the GOP/Right is that Obama sold all of us liberal idiots on hope and change with no real message, but actually, if you go back and look, Obama was pretty specific about a number of things when he was campaigning. A LOT more specific than Trump has been about anything.
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Originally posted by mdg2003

The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.


The thing is, that's not really true.


I would also add that EVERY candidate that has ever run from the opposite side of the incumbent has used a message of hope and change, while every candidate that has either run as or from the same party as the incumbent (ie Hillary) has, to at least some degree, run on a platform of preserving the status quo.

Cruz and Rubio are proposing change as well, they have just made the mistake of disguising that "hopey-changey" message behind some actual specifics, which has clearly confused the GOP electorate. While Trump, on the other hand, has no annoying, you know, specifics or facts or actual plans to get in the way of his hopey-changey message.
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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by mdg2003 The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.

Without question, he's campaigning just like Obama did.  It obviously worked well for Obama and so far it's working well for Trump.

The biggest issue that most conservatives have with him is they feel he's fiscally conservative but too socially progressive.  I honestly think that's a good thing because the problem with the RNC in the past has been pushing fiscally liberal social conservatives. 

 




Of course, you honestly have no idea whether he's fiscally conservative at all. You assume he is because he's rich, but that's analogous to assuming that someone can cook because they're overweight.


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Originally posted by mdg2003 The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.

Without question, he's campaigning just like Obama did.  It obviously worked well for Obama and so far it's working well for Trump.

The biggest issue that most conservatives have with him is they feel he's fiscally conservative but too socially progressive.  I honestly think that's a good thing because the problem with the RNC in the past has been pushing fiscally liberal social conservatives. 

 

Of course, you honestly have no idea whether he's fiscally conservative at all. You assume he is because he's rich, but that's analogous to assuming that someone can cook because they're overweight.

You're kind of correct, but I tend to think of it more along the lines that I absolutely know for certain that Cruz/Rubio/Hillary/Bernie will not be fiscally conservative.  They may or may not talk as though they are, but once they get in power they will spend money on whatever their masters tell them to.

With Trump I at least have the chance that he's fiscally conservative because he's not bought and paid for.  ;-)

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This is so wrong, yet so funny.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg0pO9VG1J8

 

2016-03-08 10:31 AM
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 Could you imagine what would be said if they did a video like that about Obama. 

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 Could you imagine what would be said if they did a video like that about Obama. 




It never fails. Everyone snarks about political correctness and how people should just learn to take a joke and not be so sensitive...until someone else makes a joke that hits a little too close to home. Then it's all "Oh my stars. Think of the children."

Seriously, is there anything at all that could possibly have been said about Obama that hasn't been said already? Or that hasn't been made jokes about or put on t-shirts or internet memes? Seriously.

Dude, it's a joke. Chill out. They aren't talking about you. They're talking about the mouth-breathers who leave internet comments about Obama being a secret Muslim socialist fascist communist. Those people deserve to get mocked publicly. Loudly and often.
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Actually, everybody deserves to get mocked publicly.....it would do our society a world of good.  If I were king you would be made fun of until it didn't bother you anymore.....as long as the whining continued the mockery would be increased.



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 Could you imagine what would be said if they did a video like that about Obama. 

It never fails. Everyone snarks about political correctness and how people should just learn to take a joke and not be so sensitive...until someone else makes a joke that hits a little too close to home. Then it's all "Oh my stars. Think of the children." Seriously, is there anything at all that could possibly have been said about Obama that hasn't been said already? Or that hasn't been made jokes about or put on t-shirts or internet memes? Seriously. Dude, it's a joke. Chill out. They aren't talking about you. They're talking about the mouth-breathers who leave internet comments about Obama being a secret Muslim socialist fascist communist. Those people deserve to get mocked publicly. Loudly and often.

Wait, what?  Are you saying he's not?   

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Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by mdg2003 The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.

Without question, he's campaigning just like Obama did.  It obviously worked well for Obama and so far it's working well for Trump.

The biggest issue that most conservatives have with him is they feel he's fiscally conservative but too socially progressive.  I honestly think that's a good thing because the problem with the RNC in the past has been pushing fiscally liberal social conservatives. 

 

Of course, you honestly have no idea whether he's fiscally conservative at all. You assume he is because he's rich, but that's analogous to assuming that someone can cook because they're overweight.

You're kind of correct, but I tend to think of it more along the lines that I absolutely know for certain that Cruz/Rubio/Hillary/Bernie will not be fiscally conservative.  They may or may not talk as though they are, but once they get in power they will spend money on whatever their masters tell them to.

With Trump I at least have the chance that he's fiscally conservative because he's not bought and paid for.  ;-)

Why would Cruz not be fiscally conservative again?

2016-03-08 3:32 PM
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Originally posted by msteiner

Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by jmk-brooklyn
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by mdg2003 The thing about Trump is he reminds me of Obama when it comes to campaigning. Mind you they are opposites on everything, but the message is similar. Hope and Change vs. making America great again. Both are vague and appeal on an emotional level. Hope and Change didn't work at all (IMO) and Making America Great again seems so dejavu to me, it makes me leery. i guess I should probably go to his website to see exactly what Trump plans to do for us before posting any more opinion.

Without question, he's campaigning just like Obama did.  It obviously worked well for Obama and so far it's working well for Trump.

The biggest issue that most conservatives have with him is they feel he's fiscally conservative but too socially progressive.  I honestly think that's a good thing because the problem with the RNC in the past has been pushing fiscally liberal social conservatives. 

 

Of course, you honestly have no idea whether he's fiscally conservative at all. You assume he is because he's rich, but that's analogous to assuming that someone can cook because they're overweight.

You're kind of correct, but I tend to think of it more along the lines that I absolutely know for certain that Cruz/Rubio/Hillary/Bernie will not be fiscally conservative.  They may or may not talk as though they are, but once they get in power they will spend money on whatever their masters tell them to.

With Trump I at least have the chance that he's fiscally conservative because he's not bought and paid for.  ;-)

Why would Cruz not be fiscally conservative again?

https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&type=I&cid=N00033085&newMem=N&recs=20

Cruz would be my second choice, but even as fiscally conservative as he touts himself he will still have to serve his masters.
He is one of the "more conservative" members of Washington, but that's like saying he's one of the least prolific bank robbers.  One that comes to mind is I recall him voting to increase the defense budget quite a bit without offering any kind of cuts elsewhere.

I've always said it doesn't matter which party is in power because they all spend money like drunk sailors, it's just a matter of what special interests they spend it on.  People don't spend, hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars to get people elected without an expectation of payback.  I am pretty active in the local political circles here in Nebraska and I see it in play all the time first hand even with the "conservative" types.

2016-03-09 4:51 PM
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 Could you imagine what would be said if they did a video like that about Obama. 

It never fails. Everyone snarks about political correctness and how people should just learn to take a joke and not be so sensitive...until someone else makes a joke that hits a little too close to home. Then it's all "Oh my stars. Think of the children." Seriously,is there anything at all that could possibly have been said about Obama that hasn't been said already? Or that hasn't been made jokes about or put on t-shirts or internet memes? Seriously. Dude, it's a joke. Chill out. They aren't talking about you. They're talking about the mouth-breathers who leave internet comments about Obama being a secret Muslim socialist fascist communist. Those people deserve to get mocked publicly. Loudly and often.

Your  reading comprehension is outdone by your ability to assume.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of those who are so quick to throw out the race card to those who disagree with President Obama. Did you see anyone on this board, though it appears that's a pretty small sampling these day criticize the video. I, like Tony thought it was hilarious the first time I saw it and still funny when I saw it here the other day.  

I don''t recall Saturday Night Live doing anything remotely close to that video, about Obama, but if you got something similar from them or a comparable show, I'd appreciate you sharing it. 

Here is something you might benefit from though.

  

And for the record, since it appears to be the new standard.

 I disavow the KKK and David Duke,,,,,

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Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.
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Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.


I heard he raised his middle finger after Trump jeeringly told the crowd and him to "go back home to his mother", not realizing of course that the protester's mother was killed when he was like 18.
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Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.


I heard he raised his middle finger after Trump jeeringly told the crowd and him to "go back home to his mother", not realizing of course that the protester's mother was killed when he was like 18.



I have zero sympathy for this kind of protester. Whether it's flipping off speakers or attendees, it's wrong. OR, when you're a photographer, and you've been told to stay within the agreed-upon boundaries for photographers, and you decide to step outside of the line and drop an f-bomb at security? I hope you get choke-slammed to the ground just like that one photographer had done to him.
Also, the attendees have to remember it's security's responsibility to dish out the punishment, not them. Unless they are engaging in self-defense, it's gotta be hands-off.
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Originally posted by ejshowers
Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by crusevegas

Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"<br
..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.
I heard he raised his middle finger after Trump jeeringly told the crowd and him to "go back home to his mother", not realizing of course that the protester's mother was killed when he was like 18.
I have zero sympathy for this kind of protester. Whether it's flipping off speakers or attendees, it's wrong. OR, when you're a photographer, and you've been told to stay within the agreed-upon boundaries for photographers, and you decide to step outside of the line and drop an f-bomb at security? I hope you get choke-slammed to the ground just like that one photographer had done to him. Also, the attendees have to remember it's security's responsibility to dish out the punishment, not them. Unless they are engaging in self-defense, it's gotta be hands-off.

Political rally's are private events and they even set up designated protest areas outside for anyone who wishes to exercise their first amendment rights.  So, when an individual chooses to violate the rules and go inside to cause a scene I'm with you.  
I do think It's kind of funny when people violate the rules and then get all bent out of shape when other people do the same against them.  "Sure, I wasn't supposed to hit you, but I decided I wanted to anyway.  I think I'm starting to like this liberal idea of moral relativism" ;-)



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Originally posted by crusevegas

Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.
I heard he raised his middle finger after Trump jeeringly told the crowd and him to "go back home to his mother", not realizing of course that the protester's mother was killed when he was like 18.
I have zero sympathy for this kind of protester. Whether it's flipping off speakers or attendees, it's wrong. OR, when you're a photographer, and you've been told to stay within the agreed-upon boundaries for photographers, and you decide to step outside of the line and drop an f-bomb at security? I hope you get choke-slammed to the ground just like that one photographer had done to him. Also, the attendees have to remember it's security's responsibility to dish out the punishment, not them. Unless they are engaging in self-defense, it's gotta be hands-off.

Political rally's are private events and they even set up designated protest areas outside for anyone who wishes to exercise their first amendment rights.  So, when an individual chooses to violate the rules and go inside to cause a scene I'm with you.  
I do think It's kind of funny when people violate the rules and then get all bent out of shape when other people do the same against them.  "Sure, I wasn't supposed to hit you, but I decided I wanted to anyway.  I think I'm starting to like this liberal idea of moral relativism" ;-)




I think Trump's jeering and egging on of his supporters against these protesters is a perfect example of the big, ugly Elephant In The Room, and shows again that he may be ready to be a leader of a rabble, but does not have the character or temperament to be president of the UNITED States.

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Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy
Originally posted by ejshowers
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Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"<br
..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.
I heard he raised his middle finger after Trump jeeringly told the crowd and him to "go back home to his mother", not realizing of course that the protester's mother was killed when he was like 18.
I have zero sympathy for this kind of protester. Whether it's flipping off speakers or attendees, it's wrong. OR, when you're a photographer, and you've been told to stay within the agreed-upon boundaries for photographers, and you decide to step outside of the line and drop an f-bomb at security? I hope you get choke-slammed to the ground just like that one photographer had done to him. Also, the attendees have to remember it's security's responsibility to dish out the punishment, not them. Unless they are engaging in self-defense, it's gotta be hands-off.

Political rally's are private events and they even set up designated protest areas outside for anyone who wishes to exercise their first amendment rights.  So, when an individual chooses to violate the rules and go inside to cause a scene I'm with you.  
I do think It's kind of funny when people violate the rules and then get all bent out of shape when other people do the same against them.  "Sure, I wasn't supposed to hit you, but I decided I wanted to anyway.  I think I'm starting to like this liberal idea of moral relativism" ;-)

I think Trump's jeering and egging on of his supporters against these protesters is a perfect example of the big, ugly Elephant In The Room, and shows again that he may be ready to be a leader of a rabble, but does not have the character or temperament to be president of the UNITED States.

it appears there are a lot of people who disagree with you. 

2016-03-11 9:13 AM
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Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room...
Originally posted by crusevegas

Originally posted by ejshowers
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy
Originally posted by ejshowers
Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by crusevegas

Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.
I heard he raised his middle finger after Trump jeeringly told the crowd and him to "go back home to his mother", not realizing of course that the protester's mother was killed when he was like 18.
I have zero sympathy for this kind of protester. Whether it's flipping off speakers or attendees, it's wrong. OR, when you're a photographer, and you've been told to stay within the agreed-upon boundaries for photographers, and you decide to step outside of the line and drop an f-bomb at security? I hope you get choke-slammed to the ground just like that one photographer had done to him. Also, the attendees have to remember it's security's responsibility to dish out the punishment, not them. Unless they are engaging in self-defense, it's gotta be hands-off.

Political rally's are private events and they even set up designated protest areas outside for anyone who wishes to exercise their first amendment rights.  So, when an individual chooses to violate the rules and go inside to cause a scene I'm with you.  
I do think It's kind of funny when people violate the rules and then get all bent out of shape when other people do the same against them.  "Sure, I wasn't supposed to hit you, but I decided I wanted to anyway.  I think I'm starting to like this liberal idea of moral relativism" ;-)

I think Trump's jeering and egging on of his supporters against these protesters is a perfect example of the big, ugly Elephant In The Room, and shows again that he may be ready to be a leader of a rabble, but does not have the character or temperament to be president of the UNITED States.

it appears there are a lot of people who disagree with you. 




Luckily, they are in the minority.
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Subject: RE: The Elephant in the room...

Originally posted by ejshowers
Originally posted by crusevegas

Originally posted by ejshowers
Originally posted by tuwood

Originally posted by ChineseDemocracy
Originally posted by ejshowers
Originally posted by tuwood
Originally posted by crusevegas

Glad to see he's getting charged.

The guy who hit him is an idiot but the protester and his friends are a close second.

"Multiple videos show the protester, 26-year-old Rakeem Jones, raising a middle finger to the crowd"<br
..."The people that are going to his rallies are hateful people," Jones' friend Ronnie Rouse told IE.
I heard he raised his middle finger after Trump jeeringly told the crowd and him to "go back home to his mother", not realizing of course that the protester's mother was killed when he was like 18.
I have zero sympathy for this kind of protester. Whether it's flipping off speakers or attendees, it's wrong. OR, when you're a photographer, and you've been told to stay within the agreed-upon boundaries for photographers, and you decide to step outside of the line and drop an f-bomb at security? I hope you get choke-slammed to the ground just like that one photographer had done to him. Also, the attendees have to remember it's security's responsibility to dish out the punishment, not them. Unless they are engaging in self-defense, it's gotta be hands-off.

Political rally's are private events and they even set up designated protest areas outside for anyone who wishes to exercise their first amendment rights.  So, when an individual chooses to violate the rules and go inside to cause a scene I'm with you.  
I do think It's kind of funny when people violate the rules and then get all bent out of shape when other people do the same against them.  "Sure, I wasn't supposed to hit you, but I decided I wanted to anyway.  I think I'm starting to like this liberal idea of moral relativism" ;-)

I think Trump's jeering and egging on of his supporters against these protesters is a perfect example of the big, ugly Elephant In The Room, and shows again that he may be ready to be a leader of a rabble, but does not have the character or temperament to be president of the UNITED States.

it appears there are a lot of people who disagree with you. 

Luckily, Hopefully they are in the minority.

Fixed that for you.  

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