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 2016-08-04 10:39 AM |
 436  |  Subject: Kick SetsI'm wondering if you keep your head up/out of the water or down like it would be when swimming freestyle when you do your kick sets? I have the Finis Alignment Kickboard which sinks quite easily but keeping my head in the water and coming up for 1-2 breaths / 25 is exhausting! |
| 2016-08-04 10:49 AM in reply to: TXTriRook |
Coach 9167   Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Originally posted by TXTriRook I'm wondering if you keep your head up/out of the water or down like it would be when swimming freestyle when you do your kick sets? I have the Finis Alignment Kickboard which sinks quite easily but keeping my head in the water and coming up for 1-2 breaths / 25 is exhausting! I don't use kickboards, although if you'r egoign to, one that sinks is far better for your shoulders, unless you want to really put a kickboard under your chest as well to take stress off thes houlders and then you can have your head up and breath. This only works for folks with flexible hips and ankles however (like kids & teenagers). If you're doing kcik sets becuase you have trouble with your kick, using a kickboard traditionally makes it even harder to move forward. For all of those reasons plus the one you mentioned, I personally do kick sets on my back or with one arm extended and body slightly rotated so that to breath, I roll my head. THis helps imprint good freestyle positioning while wiring on thke kick as well. Try holding your alignment board in one hand, the other arm back along your thigh and rolling to breath instead of lifting. |
| 2016-08-04 11:13 AM in reply to: AdventureBear |
| 436 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets I've never done more than a few 50's of kick sets but every workout I find online seems to have a kick set normally as part of the warmup. I'll try the one hand out approach. Thanks for the recommendation! |
| 2016-08-04 2:20 PM in reply to: TXTriRook |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Over the past few months I've been getting away from using a kick board altogether. I wear a Finis swimmer's snorkel and kick in a streamline position. I like how it lets me keep my head in better alignment and not have to worry about breathing (plus, you can go WAY faster). My neck and back always get sore if I kick too much with my head up using a board. Think it is probably made worse because my C6 & C7 vertebrae are fused which slightly limits the flexibility in my neck. Mark |
| 2016-08-04 4:14 PM in reply to: #5194065 |
| 64 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets This post came at the right time for me, I was just thinking yesterday how much I hate kick boards. I will defanitely have to try to the one arm out kicking method. Do you switch arms at all? |
| 2016-08-04 9:10 PM in reply to: #5194115 |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Yes alternate arms by 25s so you can hone in on streamlining on each side while rolling for air . You can progress this by switching arms halfway, then switching after 6-10 kicks as well |
| 2016-08-05 8:32 AM in reply to: AdventureBear |
Master 2429 Falls Church, Virginia | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Originally posted by AdventureBear Yes alternate arms by 25s so you can hone in on streamlining on each side while rolling for air . You can progress this by switching arms halfway, then switching after 6-10 kicks as well Oh man, switch kick drill....you know if you hate it, you must need to work on it.  |
| 2016-08-05 9:32 AM in reply to: Atlantia |
| 436 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets I tried the 1 arm extended, 1 arm on leg kick drill this morning. My legs were on fire! Definitely a great drill that I'll be incorporating into my workouts. |
| 2016-08-05 11:25 AM in reply to: TXTriRook |
| 249 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Does anyone use fins just for kick sets? I actually don't like fins, so no worries about becoming addicted to them, but I have heard they are good for increasing strength and ankle flexibility, while keeping you "above water" if you aren't using a board. Any thoughts out there? |
| 2016-08-05 11:50 AM in reply to: TXTriRook |
1300 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Head up unless you are trying to work on your breathing. |
| 2016-08-05 11:53 AM in reply to: Burchib |
| 1300 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Originally posted by Burchib Does anyone use fins just for kick sets? I actually don't like fins, so no worries about becoming addicted to them, but I have heard they are good for increasing strength and ankle flexibility, while keeping you "above water" if you aren't using a board. Any thoughts out there? Sometimes. I'll alternate between 100 kick w board / 100 dolphin kick on my back no board. |
| 2016-08-05 5:54 PM in reply to: Burchib |
Coach 9167 Stairway to Seven | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Originally posted by Burchib Does anyone use fins just for kick sets? I actually don't like fins, so no worries about becoming addicted to them, but I have heard they are good for increasing strength and ankle flexibility, while keeping you "above water" if you aren't using a board. Any thoughts out there? Again personally I don't use them at all, or rarely (1x a year) I'll put on some zoomers or fins just for fun. I don't use them becuase they put added stress on my ankles that have taken a ton of abuse from years of soccer. They can be helpful to learn how to move your legs better in the water and coordinate the movement of hips/knees and ankles because they magnify things. There are plusses and minuses to this however. Even a bad kick is made faster with fins...but if hte fins don't help to start correcting poor mechanics than it's just wasted time. because fins add surface area they take more power to operate from all the muscles involved. This again can be good or it can be bad, depending on the person using them. Even in navy seal pre-training, they advice young men to start with very small fins and progress gradually to bigger fins. the bigger the fin the more muscle it takes to use. For all of these reasons the smaller fins I think are the way to go if you are going to use them, like finis zoomers for example. they have a fin that's just 1-2" long. in lessons i"ll use fins sparingly depending on what's going on with the swimmer. If we are using the skating / one-arm extended drill to work on rolling to breath and they can't kick at all, then i'll use fins so they feel what it's like to roll to breath with a tin y bit of speed. Then i'll take them off and go right back to regular swimming so they can incorporate that roll. Lots of other ways to use them, but in gneeral using fins just to do kick sets is not real valuable IMO unless you have a specific thing you're working on to correct...and not unless the fins are actually helping to address that. A generalized drill prescription to kick with fins on is poor advice. |
| 2016-08-08 7:40 AM in reply to: AdventureBear |
| 249 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Originally posted by AdventureBear Originally posted by Burchib Does anyone use fins just for kick sets? I actually don't like fins, so no worries about becoming addicted to them, but I have heard they are good for increasing strength and ankle flexibility, while keeping you "above water" if you aren't using a board. Any thoughts out there? Again personally I don't use them at all, or rarely (1x a year) I'll put on some zoomers or fins just for fun. I don't use them becuase they put added stress on my ankles that have taken a ton of abuse from years of soccer. They can be helpful to learn how to move your legs better in the water and coordinate the movement of hips/knees and ankles because they magnify things. There are plusses and minuses to this however. Even a bad kick is made faster with fins...but if hte fins don't help to start correcting poor mechanics than it's just wasted time. because fins add surface area they take more power to operate from all the muscles involved. This again can be good or it can be bad, depending on the person using them. Even in navy seal pre-training, they advice young men to start with very small fins and progress gradually to bigger fins. the bigger the fin the more muscle it takes to use. For all of these reasons the smaller fins I think are the way to go if you are going to use them, like finis zoomers for example. they have a fin that's just 1-2" long. in lessons i"ll use fins sparingly depending on what's going on with the swimmer. If we are using the skating / one-arm extended drill to work on rolling to breath and they can't kick at all, then i'll use fins so they feel what it's like to roll to breath with a tin y bit of speed. Then i'll take them off and go right back to regular swimming so they can incorporate that roll. Lots of other ways to use them, but in gneeral using fins just to do kick sets is not real valuable IMO unless you have a specific thing you're working on to correct...and not unless the fins are actually helping to address that. A generalized drill prescription to kick with fins on is poor advice. Thank you so much! Great advice! |
| 2016-08-09 1:16 PM in reply to: Burchib |
| 1055 | Subject: RE: Kick Sets Originally posted by Burchib Does anyone use fins just for kick sets? I actually don't like fins, so no worries about becoming addicted to them, but I have heard they are good for increasing strength and ankle flexibility, while keeping you "above water" if you aren't using a board. Any thoughts out there? 100% of the time. There is absolutely no reason not to. -Mark |
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