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2006-11-06 10:28 AM
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Birkierunner - 2006-11-06 5:34 AM

tkbslc - 2006-11-05 9:28 PM
How many BTers have done a sub 3 marathon?  How many did it on their first try? 


Lance is one of the greatest athletes in history. I really don't understand this fascination with trying to argue how fast he can do a marathon if he really trained for it. Sure, it was fun to try to guess what his time would be yesterday, but he has nothing to prove. It was something on his "life list" that he wanted to do and he said he would like to break 3 hours (and beating Lauren Jalabert's post-cycling retirement marathon time would have been a bonus). He did it, raised a bunch of money, end of story.


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2006-11-06 10:36 AM
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tkbslc - 2006-11-05 9:28 PM

Why is everybody trying to belittle Lance and his accomplishments?  How many BTers have done a sub 3 marathon?  How many did it on their first try?  

I still stand by my original comments that Lance IS an animal.  And he also has the conditioning that I think he COULD become very competitive at marathon racing if he wanted to.  It would take considerable training, but he's used to that. 

 

 

 

 



He's the best and most famous endurance athlete ever in my book. However there's no way in hell he could ever run fast enough to be in the hunt (2:05-2:10). He made the right decision when he left triathlon for pro bike racing in the early 90s.
2006-11-06 11:24 AM
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What impressed me more than his marathon was his 1 mile that he recently ran in I think it was 4:51. Not too bad for a guy who likely has not hit the track for any speedwork. If you believe in the runnning calculators, if he had adequately prepared for this he would be capable of a 2:39 (of course there is a lot of extrapolation going on there). That doesn't take into account for his high body weight that would drop if he had done the long runs.

http://www.statesman.com/life/content/life/stories/health/10/06/6la...

Regardless, impressive and likely the best endurance athlete we will see in this generation.
2006-11-06 11:35 AM
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I agree that it is impressive that Lance broke 3:00 hours. Would be curious to see what he could have done had he taken this seriously. I have read many reports of how he figured he was running only 45 minutes a day and that would be enough. Funny he found out you can't fake a marathon.

Wonder what he'll do next. He seems to really like the spotlight!
2006-11-06 11:38 AM
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2006-11-06 11:59 AM
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spokes - 2006-11-06 11:38 AM

While it is impressive, keep in mind that if he'd not:

- started with the elites

- had elite pacers

- goons to clear out the crowd in front of him

- people feeding him water, nutrition, etc. so he wouldn't have to hit the water stations

he probably wouldn't have broken 3:00. I'm more impressed with non-celebs that ran 4:00 or less in a marathon of that size with the rest of the 'groundlings'. 


Yeah!! The nerve of him trying to achieve the qualifying standard for the U.S. Olympic Marathon Trials by getting preferential treatment.....


2006-11-06 12:21 PM
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Lance is a bad man, there is no debating that.

Speaking of his preferential treatment how about Ed Viesturs running his first marathon without that and finishing in 3:15? But I guess doing the 7 Summits without supplemental oxygen has to be pretty good preparation for anything

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2006-11-06 12:32 PM
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Hooray for Lance.  He's still my hero.  I love his style and his substance.  That is all.
2006-11-06 1:00 PM
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max - 2006-11-05 1:54 PM

Just watched the recap of the NY City Marathon, and noted that Armstrong, using pacers like Joan Benoit, Alberto Salazar, and German da Silva, ran roughly a 2:59:35 race. Nice going Lance!

 

Sheesh, he barely broke par Tongue out

2006-11-06 3:31 PM
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spokes - 2006-11-06 11:38 AM

While it is impressive, keep in mind that if he'd not:

- started with the elites

- had elite pacers

- goons to clear out the crowd in front of him

- people feeding him water, nutrition, etc. so he wouldn't have to hit the water stations

he probably wouldn't have broken 3:00. I'm more impressed with non-celebs that ran 4:00 or less in a marathon of that size with the rest of the 'groundlings'. 

Sorry but your post is plain ludicrous. You haven't run a marathon ever, but still you *think* what Lance accomplished was easier because of the points you mentioned? PLEASE!!!



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2006-11-06 3:46 PM
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I love **LOVE** Lance. I do. I just do.

He can do anything he sets his mind to. I'm a fan. He's talented, he's inspirational, he's hot, and I hope to be able to follow his progress as a marathon runner, a triathlete, a cyclist, a hog farmer, whatever he wants.  

GO LANCE... LIVESTRONG!



2006-11-06 4:17 PM
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I like Lance a lot, too.  But a 3hr mary doesn't deserve this much press or discussion, especially from a guy who is already a world-class athlete in great condition.

I think it's sad that we're not talking about Dean Karnazes finishing his 50th consecutive marathon on Sunday ... going out with a sub-3hr bang. There's the story!  He also had the class to stay behind Lance and not upstage him, though I surmise he probably could have.

I applaud both of their efforts, but in my book, Dean's accomplishment deserved more attention from the media.

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2006-11-06 4:28 PM
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I dunno, I think Lance's celebrity warrants the attention because his celebrity is justly earned. The guy's career is unsurpassed; nothing against Dean, but his niche is pretty limited mainly because he's crazy. It's not like he's got a lot of competitors chasing down his records or going head to head with him on his endurance quests. Armstrong had a cottage industry of competitors, whole countries included, trying to beat him in the Tour. Not to mention that he did it all after beating cancer. And if the guy can raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for a cause, I'd say the press he got was fairly justified.

This doesn't demean Dean's accomplishments as much as it puts them into perspective. The general public is amazed by his feats, but a large part of that is because the general public doesn't see the point in that kind of ultra endurace. Dean's got amazing fitness, but he's pretty much alone in his sport (not that there aren't other ultramarathoners, but that he's not going head to head in his quest for records.) I think what he's done is amazing, just maybe hard for most people to grasp.
2006-11-06 6:00 PM
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getsome - 2006-11-06 4:17 PM
But a 3hr mary doesn't deserve this much press or discussion, especially from a guy who is already a world-class athlete in great condition

You just don't get it...its not about the 3 hr marathon....there was tons of discussion on Lance's attempt before he even toed the line.....its about LANCE - lots of people just like him (note the yellow LIVESTRONG wristband in my avatar!!) and get a kick out of watching him do this stuff. And I bet if you ask him he will tell you that he is not in "great condition" right now. I wonder how many beers he's had since the last stage of his last Tour?

I just had Dean K's book delivered to my door last week (haven't read it yet because I'm reading Swimming to Antarctica right now), so its not like I'm not interested in his story, but Lance's story is much more compelling. My 2.5 cents (I told myself I wasn't gonna follow this thread anymore!).
2006-11-07 1:52 PM
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I think his sub 3 hour marathon was just fine and dandy. For those of you taking exception to his pacers, there are pace groups in (probably) every large marathon. And if I were Lance, I'd be wanting to know exactly what I was putting in my body. Even though he's retired as a pro, he's probably still a bit on guard about the potential of someone spiking his stuff.

But here's what I didn't like: anyone see his bib number? It was "LANCE". I thought that was a little lame. Give him a number like everyone else.

2006-11-07 2:27 PM
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run4yrlif - 2006-11-07 1:52 PM
But here's what I didn't like: anyone see his bib number? It was "LANCE". I thought that was a little lame. Give him a number like everyone else.



and former winner German Silva's bib was "SILVA" and a bunch of elites had their name on their bibs (see link) instead of numbers.....

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/events/sp/090403lancearmstrong/im:/...

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2006-11-07 2:37 PM
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My only complaint is, "Lance, where the heck did you get those shorts?!?"
2006-11-07 2:44 PM
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getsome - 2006-11-06 3:17 PM

I like Lance a lot, too.  But a 3hr mary doesn't deserve this much press or discussion, especially from a guy who is already a world-class athlete in great condition.

I think it's sad that we're not talking about Dean Karnazes finishing his 50th consecutive marathon on Sunday ... going out with a sub-3hr bang. There's the story!  He also had the class to stay behind Lance and not upstage him, though I surmise he probably could have.

I applaud both of their efforts, but in my book, Dean's accomplishment deserved more attention from the media.

~B

Dean got beat by someone else before he even started his 50 in 50, that may be why it wasn't news:

The guy that wasn't sponsored by The North Face or anyone, raised funds on his own and BEAT Dean K to the 50 marathons in 50 days in 50 states?  He didn't have the race directors setting up 'support', had to rely on maps from websites (he even got lost a couple of times), had to provide his own transportation to the race sites, etc.  And he beat Dean's average time overall...  This guy did it to raise funds for rebuilding homes on the Gulf Coast.  Now HE deserved some attention.

To give Dean some props too though (I like the guy)...he did acknowledge the guy and even ran with him for one of the marathons - the last one maybe.  Plus, I believe that TNF ended up paying (repaying?) this guy's expenses and donating a decent sum to his cause as well.

2006-11-07 3:37 PM
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Dean's got amazing fitness, but he's pretty much alone in his sport (not that there aren't other ultramarathoners, but that he's not going head to head in his quest for records.)



what records does he hold? i think he has first marathon at the south pole, but i don't know of any others.
2006-11-07 8:08 PM
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Most elite marathoners have a VO2max in the high 60s. Lance's VO2max is in the low 80s. That is huge!!! If he wanted to become a good runner he could easily. I am not saying he would finish with the times of the winners but a sub 2:40 is definitely achievable if he put in the miles!!

2006-11-07 8:55 PM
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I give anyone who runs a marathon total respect. As a life-long sprinter, endurance training is not easy for me. Lance just simply inspires me.

By the way.............does anyone think that he will run the Boston Marathon? Unless I missed something the Boston qualifying time for his age group is 3:15, which he was well under in NY race.



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