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 2006-11-21 2:57 PM in reply to: #605489 |
Master  3019   West Jordan, UT |  Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore."dontracy - 2006-11-21 1:48 PM running2far - ...but there are multiple solutions to every problem and actions can be taken to prevent problems. Hayes, the problem here does not rest with the hungry child and her mother. If there is discomfort with public breastfeeding, then it's the culture that has the problem, not the family. Also, one important thing to remember about breastfeeding. There's more going on than simply giving the baby nutrition. There is a bonding happening, a bonding that is continually renewed everytime a baby nurses. It's good for everyone else in the culture that this mother/child bonding takes place. Everyone benefits from it. Children are not pets. They are not nuisances. They are not burdens. They are us. They have particular needs, just like we all have particular needs. And yet none of these benefits are dimished if you mostly cover up with a blanket, etc. Regardless of your take on this, there is some nudity involved. It may not be sexual, but it is still nudity and that makes some uncomfortable. If your argument is that it is natural, I don't buy it. There are a lot of essential and natural body functions I don't want to see.
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Master 2052 Colorado | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." Oh, I am sure you do, especially since my edit is logically flawed. But I couldn't resist -- I'm home with my family, and my little sister-ness is coming out
dontracy - 2006-11-21 3:57 PM Chippy - Interesting edit, if I do say so myself... Sorry Don, but I couldn't resist Sorry for the hijack, folks. Carry on... I was wondering how long it would take for someone to say that. I'll save my response for another thread on another day, 'cause you know I got one. |
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| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." Renee - 2006-11-21 3:56 PM I'm not whining about balding - I'm whining about the comb-over and how I should be protected from it. Slippery slope, Renee... |
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| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." Chippy - I'm home with my family, and my little sister-ness is coming out
You have lucky siblings. |
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Giver 18427  | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." tkbslc - 2006-11-21 3:57 PM And yet none of these benefits are dimished if you mostly cover up with a blanket, etc.
OK...seriously, when you get home tonight, try sitting with a blanket over your head for 10 minutes. It's *extremely* uncomfortable. When Nola was breastfeeding, Amy tried covering her up when we were in public and she would cry and not eat. After that, I tried what I described and couldn't do it. I felt like I couldn't get enough air and started gasping after about 3 minutes. |
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Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." dontracy - 2006-11-21 4:01 PM Renee - 2006-11-21 3:56 PM I'm not whining about balding - I'm whining about the comb-over and how I should be protected from it. Slippery slope, Renee... I was think stupidity slope but I won't quibble. |
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Elite 2768 Raleigh | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." run4yrlif - 2006-11-21 3:03 PM tkbslc - 2006-11-21 3:57 PM And yet none of these benefits are dimished if you mostly cover up with a blanket, etc.
OK...seriously, when you get home tonight, try sitting with a blanket over your head for 10 minutes. It's *extremely* uncomfortable. When Nola was breastfeeding, Amy tried covering her up when we were in public and she would cry and not eat. After that, I tried what I described and couldn't do it. I felt like I couldn't get enough air and started gasping after about 3 minutes.
ewwww jim, did you drink from the tap??? that gross |
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Master 2052 Colorado | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." Heh. Or something. It's funny -- we are all wonderfully functional adult-friends, but the minute we get around are parents, we all revert to being 6 yrs old. Fun, in that obnoxious kind of way /off topic. re Breasts and feeding from them: The stewardess could ask the woman to cover up. And the woman could refuse. That all makes sense to me. I'm not quite sure why the matter didn't end there. Ask politely, refuse politely, everyone make "tsk tsk" noises about having to deal with things we'd rather not, flight takes off, baby sleeps. Not everything has to be a pearl clutching fight to the death about appropriateness and society as a whole.
dontracy - 2006-11-21 4:03 PM Chippy - I'm home with my family, and my little sister-ness is coming out
You have lucky siblings. |
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| over a barrier | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." Now, have you tried hanging out in a soiled diaper? That's a entirely different thread... |
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Runner | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." I guess my perception of this was skewed, because I sleep with a blanket over my head, and I have actually eaten underneath a poncho (yes, completely covering me, I was trying to enjoy the otherwise dismal meal as best I could), heck I've even smoked underneath a poncho (again, rain). So I apologize for not being as aware of the difficulties of breastfeeding with a blanket. |
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| Buttercup 14334 | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." SweetK - 2006-11-21 4:13 PM They probably represented a radical group...and not in the norm of society, but in fact, their intent was to shove the "natural" aspect down the public's throat. During the early 2000's there was a big push by the breastfeeding community to openly breastfed in public. A new precendent was set, and it became accepted because of the "open breastfeeding event" (sit-in's) in public places like malls, parks, department stores, airlines etc. Seems very backwards to me that breastfeeding needed a movement (radical or otherwise) to make it acceptable. |
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| Philadelphia, south of New York and north of DC | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." SweetK - ...in fact, their intent was to shove the "natural" aspect down the public's throat. My wife is with you on that one. (therefore, so am I I once got into an argument, if you can imagine that, with a radical doula who was teaching our birthing class. We were talking about the minuses of male circumcision. Caught up in her politics, she was trying to convince a Jewish couple not to have their son circumcised. Drove me nuts. What a religiously insensitive thing to say.
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| Extreme Veteran 363 Georgia | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." First I want to say Thank you to all the men on this thread who have defended breast feeding in public. It's very sweet and your wives should be proud. With kids, you don't know if you can make it through a grocery store with out a meltdown, or get a smile out of them on portrait day, so how can you know if they will cooperate with a blanket over their head while you feed them? When I breast fed I didn't choose to have my breasts on public display, but sometimes my kids would move the blanket or just plain have a fit if I tried to cover them with it. I am sure that a breast on "display" in a crowded airplane is much less offensive than a screaming baby. Feeding our children is what our breasts are intended for. |
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| Arch-Bishop of BT 10278 Pittsburgh | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." Renee - 2006-11-21 3:01 PM akustix - 2006-11-21 2:56 PM And I think breastfeeding in public is always an impact statement... Work against the machine that tells women breastfeeding is unnatural! Sure, breastfeeding couldn't be a more natural, wholesome act but what's your point? (yes, I'm being facetious) Thanks for the note about facetiousness... But my point is that our society has an entire industry set up to make it seem like breast feeding is unnatural or inconvenient. I don't want this to turn into a "but I have a friend who cannot breast feed..." Formula is a good thing when breast feeding is not possible, but we have a society that shortchanges children and parents by substituting something less than what is best for the best possible option. Throw in crappy maternity leave and there is almost no option for mothers who want to breast feed... These are implicit messages found throughout our society that seek to subvert the natural role of breastfeeding. Peace, Brian |
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| Extreme Veteran 465 | Subject: RE: "Breasts - Not just for selling cars anymore." SweetK - 2006-11-21 3:28 PM Renee - 2006-11-21 4:19 PM SweetK - 2006-11-21 4:13 PM They probably represented a radical group...and not in the norm of society, but in fact, their intent was to shove the "natural" aspect down the public's throat. During the early 2000's there was a big push by the breastfeeding community to openly breastfed in public. A new precendent was set, and it became accepted because of the "open breastfeeding event" (sit-in's) in public places like malls, parks, department stores, airlines etc. Seems very backwards to me that breastfeeding needed a movement (radical or otherwise) to make it acceptable. A good read is: "Milk, Money, and Madness: The Culture and Politics of Breastfeeding" by Naomi Baumslag and Dia L. Michels. It talks about the advent of the "Formula Companies" in the 1960's and 1970's and the push to make breastfeeding a lower-class thing and bottle-feeding with formula preferred. And it worked until the late 1980's early 1990's when nursing mothers groups emerged with supporting doctor's to shift the Breastfeeding paradigm. It's not backwards...actually, I was born in 1970 and my mother told me that the hospital put her in a small backroom so she could breastfeed me, otherwise she was shunned and there was no breastfeeding support at the time in the US. It's true. That would be an interesting read. Times have changed I think, I work in a very poor, depressed area of town, and am going into people's homes all the time when making runs. Of course we make a lot of ems runs on infants and such and never, never, never, have I ever encountered a breastfeeding mom. I think it's such a shame, the kid's already have a tough start, let's give them every opportunity, starting with breast milk. My friend told me it's because they have WIC and get the formula free. It would be an interested topic to study, albeit touchy. |
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