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2004-09-02 8:14 AM |
Resident Matriarch N 43° 32.927 W 071° 24.431 | Subject: ?? for the bike Gurus (that means you too Bear) my new bike has a 11 X 23 cassette. I'm a bit leary of my climbing ability since I've been riding a triple, although I almost never use the little ring. Would changing this to a 12 X 26 give me noticable climbing aid or is it not worth the trouble. I need every advantage I can get. TIA |
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2004-09-02 8:29 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Master 2447 Marietta, Ga | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus First, I presume your new bike is a 10 speed with 2 chain rings. I have the same setup and I have two rear wheels, one for flat routes and one for hilly routes. They each have a cassette specific for the topography. Changing out the wheel is a lot easier than constantly changing out the cassette. But, in answer to your question, yes, you'll see some benefit in having the 12-26 on very hilly courses. Edited by Motivated 2004-09-02 8:31 AM |
2004-09-02 8:30 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Geez, Ellen, how much cassette do you need? Yeah, if you're going from a triple to a double, and used that small chainring to any degree, you're going to suffer a little. G0ing from a 23 to a 26 (or the more standard 27) would give you some relief. Only you can tell if it will be noticeable Check out Sheldon Brown site for some good information on gears and gearing: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/gearing/index.html He has some gear ratio calculators on there that will allow you to compare what you're used to riding to what you will be riding. If you have any problem using it, post the specifics here, like the front and rear gear that you depend on for climbing on your old bike, to find what size cog you would need to give you an equivalent geara ratio on your shiny new double. |
2004-09-02 8:38 AM in reply to: #56755 |
Resident Matriarch N 43° 32.927 W 071° 24.431 | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Geez, Ellen, how much cassette do you need? well, something the size of a serving platter appeals to me. Karl, I went with the '04 which is a 9 - speed cassette. I am going to get another wheel and looking at which cassette to put on it. It's not very hilly where I live, but I plan on doing some riding in NH as the '05 season opener is a 1/2 in NH. Thanx for the link Bear, off to torture my brain. |
2004-09-02 8:42 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Yes, the extra teeth will make a noticable difference. You dont mention what size chain rings you are running up front, but if you are coming from a triple and have somehow ended up with a 42 tooth small ring, hie thee to the LBS and get a 39 (or 38). I made the swap from 11-23 to 12-27 and I occasionally wish I had the 11, but I have yet to regret putting on the "dinner plate". |
2004-09-02 8:50 AM in reply to: #56754 |
Pro 3903 Andover | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Motivated - 2004-09-02 8:29 AM First, I presume your new bike is a 10 speed with 2 chain rings. I have the same setup and I have two rear wheels, one for flat routes and one for hilly routes. They each have a cassette specific for the topography. Changing out the wheel is a lot easier than constantly changing out the cassette. But, in answer to your question, yes, you'll see some benefit in having the 12-26 on very hilly courses. Hey Karl, How many miles do you put on before you change your chain/gears? Chains and cassettes do wear into on another and swapping a cassette can cause skipping. Do you have to make rear derailleur adjustments when you swap? Rob |
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2004-09-02 8:53 AM in reply to: #56764 |
Resident Matriarch N 43° 32.927 W 071° 24.431 | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus the chainrings are 39 X 53. I almost never used the small ring on my triple, this year anyhow. When I bought the bike a few years ago I almost never got out of the middle ring. I figured my riding was not going to improve if I didn't venture into the large ring, and once I was there I never went back to the small one. Except for that long climb at the Danskin race in Webster....... now if you guys could only tell me why my shoulder hurts and I cannot move it. I haven't done anything to cause an injury but I can't ride like this. Inhaling vitamin I (ibuprofin) has not helped either. Edited by TriMom217 2004-09-02 8:55 AM |
2004-09-02 9:17 AM in reply to: #56767 |
Master 2447 Marietta, Ga | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus MountainBreeze - 2004-09-02 8:50 AM Motivated - 2004-09-02 8:29 AM First, I presume your new bike is a 10 speed with 2 chain rings. I have the same setup and I have two rear wheels, one for flat routes and one for hilly routes. They each have a cassette specific for the topography. Changing out the wheel is a lot easier than constantly changing out the cassette. But, in answer to your question, yes, you'll see some benefit in having the 12-26 on very hilly courses. Hey Karl, How many miles do you put on before you change your chain/gears? Chains and cassettes do wear into on another and swapping a cassette can cause skipping. Do you have to make rear derailleur adjustments when you swap? Rob Fortunately, no. The two wheels are from different manufacturers but the hubs/cassettes both line up perfectly. I can swap them out with absolutely no difference in shifting. Just lucky, I guess. The bike shop told me they have shims I could use if I encountered any differences, but it wasn't necessary. Regarding miles on the chain, I don't know. This is a question for The Bear. I understand chains do stretch, but I'm not sure when they recommend replacements. |
2004-09-02 9:25 AM in reply to: #56779 |
Pro 3903 Andover | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Motivated - 2004-09-02 9:17 AM Regarding miles on the chain, I don't know. This is a question for The Bear. I understand chains do stretch, but I'm not sure when they recommend replacements. It's not so much a "stretch" thing as a "groove" thing. That's great if you aren't having troubles! Maybe you switch them often enough.?.?.? Cheers, Rob |
2004-09-02 9:26 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Champion 6786 Two seat rocket plane | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Chain "stretch" is actually wear. as the plates and pins wear, they develop slop that allows the chain to elongate slightly. The general rule of thumb is that if 12 links of the chain measure longer than 12 &1/8 inches it's time to replace the chain. Some folks say 12 & 1/16 inches. The sooner you replace a chain, the longer your cassette will last. I am bad about remembering to check the chain for wear and end up replacing the cassette and chain about every two years or so. I am running Ultegra, so it's not too much $$ if I can catch a sale at Performance. Once again, have a gander at Sheldon Brown's site. I believe he's got a good article on chains. Your shoulder sounds like a fit issue (stem length, or maybe saddle tilt) |
2004-09-02 9:29 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Master 2447 Marietta, Ga | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus If a triathlete told me their shoulders hurt, I'd first suspect swimming as the culprit. |
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2004-09-02 9:32 AM in reply to: #56791 |
Expert 803 MD | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus When I bought my road bike the LBS told me to change the chain every year, assuming about 1000 miles/year of riding. Does that sound reasonable? |
2004-09-02 9:36 AM in reply to: #56768 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus If you're used to the middle ring of your triple, say a standard size of 42, then (of course) your current small 39 should be a litle easier than that. Question then becomes what cogs were you comfortable woth on your climbs to go with that 42. If your old bike had a 27, and you used it extensively, then you probably need a 27 (or a 26) on your new bike. |
2004-09-02 9:57 AM in reply to: #56802 |
Resident Matriarch N 43° 32.927 W 071° 24.431 | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus the triple has a 12 - 25 cassette. I hadn't thought of the fact that the 39 will be easier than the 42. Getting antsy, wish the bike was here so I could go ride. |
2004-09-02 10:05 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Veteran 240 Denver | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Sorry to jump in your thread but I have another bike question. I recently bought a used tri-bike which I really love. With my long body and short legs it fits me well. Can I put a third ring on the front? Living in Colorado with all the hill a granny gear is really needed for recreational riding. Thanks in advance. |
2004-09-02 10:14 AM in reply to: #56826 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Might be an expensive proposition, depending on whether your front derailleur and shifters can accomodate a third chainring. Check with your LBS or bike mechanic. |
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2004-09-02 10:14 AM in reply to: #56795 |
Resident Matriarch N 43° 32.927 W 071° 24.431 | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Motivated - 2004-09-02 9:29 AM If a triathlete told me their shoulders hurt, I'd first suspect swimming as the culprit. yeah, that would be my first guess, but I haven't done any swimming since sunday, and hadn't done a lot before that. This just started late last night, out of the blue. Feels like a pinched nerve. Just called my dr and she's out of town til tuesday. |
2004-09-02 10:16 AM in reply to: #56796 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus I'd go more by measuring the stretch, or certainly if any obvious problems materialize. I've heard 3,000 miles or so, but I have over 7,000 on my entry-level bike and have no measurable stretch or problems. |
2004-09-02 10:22 AM in reply to: #56819 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus According to Sheldon Brown, the 42/25 (where you were) has the identical gear ratio as the 39-23 (where you are), at 3.3. |
2004-09-02 10:52 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Champion 8903 | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Ellen, a lot of it boils down to "Do you ever use the 11 tooth cog?" If not, then the jump to the 12 x 26 is probably a good idea. On your current cassette, if you need a lower gear than the middle chainring combined with the 23 cog, you can always drop down into the granny chainring, since you have a triple. But if you find yourself mostly riding on the top 2 chainrings and hardly ever using the granny, then switching to the 26 cog freewheel probably makes more sense. The only limitation is the loss of the 11 tooth cog, but since you probably don't sprint downhills at 40 mph, (or are freewheeling when you DO hit those speeds), I'm betting you will never miss the 11 tooth option. I rarely use my 11 tooth, unless it's one of those hairball downhills, and you've ridden with me enough to know what those are like. I have yet to be on a flatish road yet, even with a tail wind, in 30 years of cycling where I could push a 53 x 11. My Jan Ullrich days are over! |
2004-09-02 11:08 AM in reply to: #56863 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Making some minor assumptions, but pushing the 53/11 at 100 rpm cadence gives you 37.7 mph. 53/12 equals 34.5mph. |
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2004-09-02 11:21 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Champion 8903 | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Yeah, that's about what I would have guessed Bear...I know I get "spun out" in the 53 x 11 at around 40 mph. My normal cadence being somewhat less than 100, an old geezer like me tends to keep it down around 85-90 at best! |
2004-09-02 11:30 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Champion 4902 Ottawa, Ontario | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Ellen, will you be using your new tri bike in triathlons only or are you going to use to train on the road? I am loath to answer this question as I am biased in this area. Personally, I would stay with the 11x23 cog for a racing bike asa 12x26 cogset would be better suited for a touring bike. Try it out for a few weeks and see how it goes. If it the 11x23 cogset should prove too difficult on the hills, then Motivated's idea of having two rear wheels, one for flat terrain and another for hilly terrain, is an excellent one. |
2004-09-02 11:33 AM in reply to: #56746 |
Master 2447 Marietta, Ga | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Speaking of which, I just finished a glorious ride. The temp is very cool here today and aside from some windy conditions, the ride was awesome. We've got some Texas sized hills here in Atlanta and I was cruising the downside of the steepest and longest one on my route. I remembered a post here earlier about someone topping out at 47mph. Well, I put it in the lowest gear and spun out at 41mph...it felt like I had reached terminal velocity as the wind resistance just wouldn't allow for more speed, even crouched down in the aero position. Can you really get a tri bike up to 47mph? |
2004-09-02 11:39 AM in reply to: #56898 |
Champion 4902 Ottawa, Ontario | Subject: RE: ?? for the bike Gurus Motivated, I've sped down a killer hill in my area and have reached the speed of 80Kph (49.6mph). I could have gone faster, but there is a STOP sign at the bottom of the hill and the road also comes to a dead end just beyond that. I am sure that I could top 50mph with a tri bike. |
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