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 2007-09-11 9:09 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Bob  2194    Binghamton, NY |  Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes..Well, I was where I needed to be off the bike but each step on the run was like a knife going into my back. I had to back way off the pace and adjust my gate and kiss the Kona slot goodbye. 53:00 swim, 5:25 bike and a 4:07 painful run for a 10:40 race. What it takes to get to Kona is very consistent training, staying healthy, executing a nutrition plan and being able to adapt to situations as they arise. On top of that it takes having the right competition there and the luck of the draw if people don't accept their slot. The main reason I got into this sport was because it's fun and the people involved in triathlon are awesome. Keep the sport fun and the training interesting and go out and do the best you can do on each given race and if in the cards, you'll be in Hawaii!! |
| 2007-09-11 9:58 AM in reply to: #959600 |
Champion 9600  Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. amiine - 2007-09-11 8:43 AM bryancd - 2007-09-11 7:05 AM sorry dude, that is excessive at best... Shermbelle - 2007-09-10 11:01 PM Oohh come on Bryan, why the edit of the last post?? I loved that little dose of reality!! I didn't! Oh, you know what happened? They must have removed the spam and I had linked it, so my post got kiboshed! What I said was go out and ride 100 miles every weekend at 22mph and run 20 miles the next day in the low 7's week in and week out and you are probably in the right ballpark to qualify!EDIT - unless it was a sarcastic response that I didn't see since a post was deleted... There was a spam in the thread leading you to a pay site for Kona qualifying times or something and I posted that as "free" advice. So it was somewhat tongue in cheek....but I disagree that it's excessive at best. It is a bit extreme, but it does bring this thread back on to my point of starting it. The absolute raw data pf your training efforts over time are the single best indicator as to whether or not you will have what it takes come race day. Show me an athlete who struggles to get to 21mph on their long rides while remaining aerobic and can't back it up with a solid paced run on tired legs, and I will show you an athlete who may need to rely on circumstance to make it, either through an overall weak field or the rolldown. Show me an athlete who can consistantly put in the Ironman distance mileage at a pace that will bring them in around that magic 10 hour mark (assuming say a man between the ages of 25-40), and I'll show you a guy that, if they have a good day, are punching thier own ticket. |
| 2007-09-11 10:07 AM in reply to: #959644 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. rstocks3 - 2007-09-11 9:09 AM Well, I was where I needed to be off the bike but each step on the run was like a knife going into my back. I had to back way off the pace and adjust my gate and kiss the Kona slot goodbye. 53:00 swim, 5:25 bike and a 4:07 painful run for a 10:40 race. What it takes to get to Kona is very consistent training, staying healthy, executing a nutrition plan and being able to adapt to situations as they arise. On top of that it takes having the right competition there and the luck of the draw if people don't accept their slot. The main reason I got into this sport was because it's fun and the people involved in triathlon are awesome. Keep the sport fun and the training interesting and go out and do the best you can do on each given race and if in the cards, you'll be in Hawaii!! First of all, I just want you to know, Rob, that I was following you the most closely on Sunday. When I saw your swim split I was blown away. I immediately started lloking at you race logs to see how your bike and run were. From your races, it seemed like the run was going to be your liability. When you crushed the bike in 5:25, I though, he goes 3:30-3:40 on the run and he's got it. The run got you, but you had an excellent race and I really enjoyed following along and pulling for you. EXCELLENT JOB, IRONMAN.  I agree with what you posted above, but again, the point of starting this thread was to try and really get down to brass tax. Consistant training, staying healthy, executing your nutrition plan, being adaptable are what it takes to finish an Ironman, but Kona qualifying adds a different dimension becuase it's a race against others, not just the clock. Kona doesn't need to be luck of the draw, it can be earned even before the race starts. For guy's in our AG, again, it's that magic 10 hour number where all the action seems to be across all the North American races. At a fast course like Florida or Arizona, it will be sub 10, at a tougher course like Lakew Placid or Wisconsin, it will be a little over 10. That's what you have to train for. |
| 2007-09-11 10:13 AM in reply to: #959708 |
Bob 2194 Binghamton, NY | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Excellent point Bryan. It was frustrating having my legs and energy feeling great but my back killing me. I have found my distance though and will be back. Sub 10's are within reach. Thanks for following me along the course and for opening this discussion. It's a great one!! |
| 2007-09-11 10:14 AM in reply to: #959699 |
Coach 10487 Boston, MA | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. bryancd - 2007-09-11 9:58 AM Of course, but you don’t need to run 20 milers at race pace every week to achieve that; that's what I think is excessive. amiine - 2007-09-11 8:43 AM There was a spam in the thread leading you to a pay site for Kona qualifying times or something and I posted that as "free" advice. So it was somewhat tongue in cheek....but I disagree that it's excessive at best. It is a bit extreme, but it does bring this thread back on to my point of starting it. The absolute raw data pf your training efforts over time are the single best indicator as to whether or not you will have what it takes come race day. Show me an athlete who struggles to get to 21mph on their long rides while remaining aerobic and can't back it up with a solid paced run on tired legs, and I will show you an athlete who may need to rely on circumstance to make it, either through an overall weak field or the rolldown. Show me an athlete who can consistantly put in the Ironman distance mileage at a pace that will bring them in around that magic 10 hour mark (assuming say a man between the ages of 25-40), and I'll show you a guy that, if they have a good day, are punching thier own ticket. bryancd - 2007-09-11 7:05 AM sorry dude, that is excessive at best... Shermbelle - 2007-09-10 11:01 PM Oohh come on Bryan, why the edit of the last post?? I loved that little dose of reality!! I didn't! Oh, you know what happened? They must have removed the spam and I had linked it, so my post got kiboshed! What I said was go out and ride 100 miles every weekend at 22mph and run 20 miles the next day in the low 7's week in and week out and you are probably in the right ballpark to qualify!EDIT - unless it was a sarcastic response that I didn't see since a post was deleted...
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| 2007-09-11 10:23 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Yeah, I didn't mean that, I meant when you get to your long runs, the pace needs to be there, but don't do that EVERY week. The ride you can do a bunch of times, but not that kind of run volume, not a good idea. |
| 2007-09-11 10:38 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. And I'll add in that for someone living in a not-so-flat area that those numbers are a bit optomistic as well. For someone training for WI or LP, then they will be shooting for a 5:20 - 5:35 moderately hilly bike to be in the running while in FL or AZ it will need to be closer to 5 on flats. Same with the run, but the magic number for the run still needs to be in the sub 3:30 range to really be in the hunt. |
| 2007-09-11 10:42 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. On long rides I usually see 3500-4200 feet of climbing, so I would consider that moderatley hilly, but otherwise I think your bike estimates are just about right. You can even fudge a little on the run and go 3:40 and still in there assuming you are a 1 hour swimmer, which it seems to be a time where a lot of qualifiers split in the swim. |
| 2007-09-11 11:12 AM in reply to: #959810 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. That brings up another point that I don't think we've really touched on .... the need to be consistent accross the sports and not have to rely too much on any one. My oly. this weekend was a good example of that. The difference from where I finished and where I would have finished with even a mediocre swim (and better transitions) wouls have been about 8 places or so. Instead of being 13th in my AG I would have been top 5. So even after the 2nd fastest bike split in the AG and the 5th fastest run, the deficit I created for myself in the swim killed my chances. If someone (like me) with a less than stellar swim background pushes themself as hard as they can on the swim without blowing up, and STILL gives away 15 - 20 minutes to the top guys in the AG, then I really have to push the bike to make up the difference, which then runs the risk of losign it on the run (as we saw happening to a few people this weekend at WI that were on great pace with a shot at qualifying). THAT is why I'm not planning on Florida being my main Kona focus. I know my swim isn't quite there yet and even though I should have the bike and possibly the run under control, it is the swim that needs the work. LP will give me almost another year in the water and a lot can happen in that time. |
| 2007-09-11 11:27 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Absolutely. There needs to be balance in the Force. Look at any IM race and see guys getting out of the water in 50 min. and then ride 6 hours. Or 5:10 cyclist who runs a 3:58. They are going to be at the tail end of the qualifying spectrum until they can race with the required pace across all three sports. That's what makes triathlon so pspecial and unique, instead of rewarding those that are awesome at one sport, it rewards those who are mediocre in three!  Just kidding, but balance is of absolute importance to have the best result possible. Due to the duration, however, Ironman does provide the opportunity for someone who may be a 1:10-1:15 swimmer to still be in the fight if they can bike big and run hard. That's why they say the swim is your warm up for the day. |
| 2007-09-12 6:44 PM in reply to: #922334 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Boy, this thread had been great, over 5000 views and I hope some found it helpful. Before it falls off into the nether world of page 2, I wanted to add one more thing about "What it Takes" from my experience. Showing up on in the water on race morning at 6:59:30 am, treading water int he spot you have picked, looking around at all the anxiety on the faces of those around you, and KNOWING that if your wet suit doesn't fall off, your bike doesn't explode beneath you, your running shoe's tear apart, that you have done the distances, you have nailed the nutrition and hydration, that short of an act of God....you WILL qualify today. Be accountable, tell people what you will do, tell them your splits and you estimated finishing time, make it real because it's already real before the race. If you do, as long as things remain in YOUR control, you already know, and you WILL make it happen. |
| 2007-09-12 8:32 PM in reply to: #962460 |
Expert 897 Seattle WA | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. I just wanted to add that I think the same mentality applies to hitting other goals for an ironman. I actually had virtually the EXACT same thoughts at IMAZ this year, both right before the start and several times the week before. Although replace "qualify" with "finish". Or more precisely "finish without burning up or walking the marathon". enjoy, bryancd - 2007-09-12 7:44 PM Boy, this thread had been great, over 5000 views and I hope some found it helpful. Before it falls off into the nether world of page 2, I wanted to add one more thing about "What it Takes" from my experience. Showing up on in the water on race morning at 6:59:30 am, treading water int he spot you have picked, looking around at all the anxiety on the faces of those around you, and KNOWING that if your wet suit doesn't fall off, your bike doesn't explode beneath you, your running shoe's tear apart, that you have done the distances, you have nailed the nutrition and hydration, that short of an act of God....you WILL qualify today. Be accountable, tell people what you will do, tell them your splits and you estimated finishing time, make it real because it's already real before the race. If you do, as long as things remain in YOUR control, you already know, and you WILL make it happen. |
| 2007-09-12 9:50 PM in reply to: #962460 |
| Mesa | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. bryancd - 2007-09-12 4:44 PM Boy, this thread had been great, over 5000 views and I hope some found it helpful. Before it falls off into the nether world of page 2, I wanted to add one more thing about "What it Takes" from my experience. Showing up on in the water on race morning at 6:59:30 am, treading water int he spot you have picked, looking around at all the anxiety on the faces of those around you, and KNOWING that if your wet suit doesn't fall off, your bike doesn't explode beneath you, your running shoe's tear apart, that you have done the distances, you have nailed the nutrition and hydration, that short of an act of God....you WILL qualify today. Be accountable, tell people what you will do, tell them your splits and you estimated finishing time, make it real because it's already real before the race. If you do, as long as things remain in YOUR control, you already know, and you WILL make it happen. What about nutrition wise with taking a whiz... I spent at least 20+ minutes of the run in the portajohns... LOL I don't plan to do that at Silverman! Edited by chile7473 2007-09-12 9:50 PM |
| 2007-09-13 9:45 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. That's easy, just keep running. Wash clothes/shoes after the race. |
| 2007-09-14 10:39 PM in reply to: #922334 |
Extreme Veteran 494 | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. yeah, relieving yourself on the bike or run takes practice Just hope there's no one behind you on the bike!!! |
| 2007-09-16 8:33 PM in reply to: #922334 |
| Champion 9430 No excuses! | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. |
| 2007-09-27 7:07 PM in reply to: #922334 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. I'll give this a bump as well just to put my other post in it's proper context. |
| 2009-07-02 4:13 PM in reply to: #922334 |
Extreme Veteran 732 Omaha, USA | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Just seemed like this need to be bumped |
| 2009-07-02 8:10 PM in reply to: #922334 |
Master 2301 Rogersville, Alabama | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Dang, I still remember this thread and its almost 2 years old. |
| 2009-07-02 8:24 PM in reply to: #922334 |
Pro 4675 Wisconsin near the Twin Cities metro | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Wow. Can't believe its been 2 years since I posted in this thread. Unfortunately, I haven't done squat in the 3 IM I've done since posting back then to be able to contribute to the title of this thread. But, I have learned one thing. And that is...TALK IS CHEAP. Talk is so f'ing cheap it should be illegal. One can talk about all the "would'a", "could'a", "should'a" you want... blah, blah, f'ing blah.....SUAFT On a totally un-related note...I was at Gear West tri shop last week picking up my TT bike after tribiketransport.com dropped it off following IM CDA a couple weeks ago. The owner, Kevin O'Connor (he has raced at Kona 7 times) was chatting with me about my CDA experience and I mentioned that CDA was a B race for me in prep for IM WI in September. He looked me straigt in the eyes and asked "Are you going to qualify at Wisconsin?". Not wanting to come off as an arrogant a'hole I kind of shrug my shoulders and replied "Huh...who knows". He kind of chuckled and said matter of factly, "I guess not". Wow....that hit me like a ton of bricks. |
| 2009-07-03 8:36 AM in reply to: #922334 |
Champion 9600 Fountain Hills, AZ | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. Wow, I thought I was seeing things when this thread bumped up! In the nearly 2 years since I posted it, the only thing that has changed is that the overall paces have gotten even faster! Training, dedication, desire aren't enough anymore. You also need to be very fast at at least two of the sports. |
| 2009-07-04 10:27 PM in reply to: #2260053 |
Expert 762 Missouri | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. bryancd - 2009-07-03 8:36 AM Wow, I thought I was seeing things when this thread bumped up! In the nearly 2 years since I posted it, the only thing that has changed is that the overall paces have gotten even faster! Training, dedication, desire aren't enough anymore. You also need to be very fast at at least two of the sports. Very true, and as long as those two sports are biking and running, you have a shot. Unfortunately for me, being a fast swimmer don't mean squat. |
| 2009-07-04 11:27 PM in reply to: #922334 |
Extreme Veteran 683 Cleveland Area | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. My question, possibly a new thread, but who here has actually qualified for Kona, no lottery? |
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| Master 2301 Rogersville, Alabama | Subject: RE: Kona Qualifying- What it takes.. PennState - 2009-07-05 5:51 AM abrezo - 2009-07-05 12:27 AM My question, possibly a new thread, but who here has actually qualified for Kona, no lottery? Bryancd and Pseudoyams and tribullutter? are the 3 that come to mind... I think others have too. tjfry - I remember him swimming under 1:00 on 2500 yards of swimming a week.(shaking head) |
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