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2007-09-05 10:52 AM

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Subject: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
So, one of the Health Clubs around here is promoting a Tri coming up, and I was thinking about doing it for my first Tri. It doesn't have any set distances, but what it boils down to is a:

10 minutes of swimming
20 minutes on an exercise bike
15 minutes on a treadmill

Basically they add up the distance totals for each aspect and thats how they determine where you finish.

Can this even be a tri? If I do it can I call myself a Triathlete? Has anyone else done something like this, and could you provide me any advice?



2007-09-05 11:03 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
How could that qualify as a race? No, I don't think this can be called a triathlon. It's great if people want to do it and get a taste for doing the three different activities in succession, but treadmills and exercise bikes aren't even close to the real thing.
2007-09-05 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!

Seems to me that I can do 500 yrd swimming in 10 minutes, 8 + miles on the bike and 2 miles running in that time.  Sure an exercise bike or treadmill isn't ideal, but I don't see it as being much diferent from doing a super sprint.  Your doing an hour worth of continuous cardio in three disciplines close to SBR.

As far as calling yourself a triathlete, that is up to you.   Heck some people don't consider it a real tri until it's an Ironman, and some don't believe your an Ironman unless you finish Kona.

 

2007-09-05 11:15 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!

You can call yourself whatever you want, but would you really believe that you were a triathlete after doing that?

You could do it for a nice workout, but it's not a triathlon. 

2007-09-05 11:21 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!

Personally, I wouldn't trust the accuracy of that competition. I mean there's def a margin of error with treadmills, but exercise bikes are notoriously inaccurate. I would never trust that my exercise bike was calibrated close to the one the guy next to me is using.

2007-09-05 11:22 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!

It actually is a race, because they total your distance on the machines travelled in the given time and rank you according to that.   You sound like you are working towards a "real" triathlon and if this is a good stepping stone for you, then that is great.  I don't think the experience would rival that of an outdoor Tri, but it might be fun every once in a while. 

 

 

 

 



2007-09-05 11:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
tkbslc - 2007-09-05 9:22 AM

It actually is a race, because they total your distance on the machines travelled in the given time and rank you according to that.   You sound like you are working towards a "real" triathlon and if this is a good stepping stone for you, then that is great.  I don't think the experience would rival that of an outdoor Tri, but it might be fun every once in a while. 

 

 

 

 



This is a very diplomatic response, and I agree with it, but not to sound elitist, I personally wouldn't call myself a triathlete untill I completed a sanctioned event outside.

There were countless times that I did simulated triathlons at the gym, but I didn't consider myself a triathlete by doing that. I realize that this is a kind of a "race", so it is a in little grey area. As a matter of fact, my first triathlon, the swim was canceled due to weather. So it was a bike/run instead. I still didn't want to call myself a "triathlete" untill I did all three events, outside, at a sanctioned event - but that was just me.
2007-09-05 11:44 AM
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I disagree, and would say that that is a triathlon.  There is strategy involved and you're pitted against other athletes, there are 3 sports involved, etc.  I wouldn't use it as a benchmark for antyhing, but I feel that it's certainly a triathlon. 

(and to save you all time, yes, I have completed an indoor triathlon and it was definitely a race and you can read my report)

If we're getting into the nitty gritty of sanctioning, etc., you open a can of worms.  I participated in an outdoor traditional triathlon this weekend.  But it wasn't USAT sanctioned and they allowed snorkels, flotation devices, MP3 players, etc.    It's not getting me any closer to Kona, but it's certainly a triathlon!  I chose to race it like a regular race without those added advantages, but I didn't have to.

2007-09-05 11:45 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
No tri minus a super spirit is going to last only 45 minutes even for the top guy. It would be a good practice but I do more in my daily works outs than they do for the whole event.
2007-09-05 11:51 AM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!

This is a pretty standard setup for indoor tri's. 

Lessee...In this event:  Do you swim? (yes)  Do you bike? (yes) Do you run? (yes)  Are you being ranked relative to other participants based on how well you SBR?  (yes)  I'd say it has all the makings of a real triathlon. 

Whether you call yourself a triathlete is more philosophical.  Are you a triathlete when you start training (SBR) for a specific race?  How about when you line up at the start?  Only when you finish a triathlon?  How about if you only completed one tri and it was 5 years ago? 

If you do this race and want to call yourself a triathlete, go ahead, I don't have a problem that it wasn't outdoors, or that it isn't Kona. 

2007-09-05 11:55 AM
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Beats the hell out of trudging out the winter in the basement with no races.  It involves 3 (three) sport I think that is a tri.  Go for it and enjoy!


2007-09-05 11:58 AM
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I've never done a triathlon but I consider myself a triathlete as long as I'm training with a triathlon in mind. There's probably veterans to the sport who would think that presumptious, and it probably is, but it doesn't mean that I'm going to think of myself any different. It's all up to you. Don't worry about approval from peers, it is how you view yourself that truly makes the difference. As easy as your race might sound to some, it would be a true test of endurance to others. Congratulations on your hard work and I hope you are satisfied with your race.

Kudos from rage.

Edited by stone age rage 2007-09-05 11:59 AM
2007-09-05 12:00 PM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!

Years ago, R&E cycles put on an indoor tri, where it was 10 minutes each on a rowing machine, a stationary bike, and a treadmill set at 5% slope. Winner was the person who covered the most combined distance.

TriFreak did an indoor tri both last year and this year. Last year it was 20 minutes for each swim, bike (your bike on a stationary trainer), and run on an indoor track, and longest distance won. This year it was done by time over set distances. I think that worked better (the set distances), because there couldn't be any "cheating the swim" like last year (there were people who quit the swim early and got on the bike before it was time).

2007-09-05 12:08 PM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
I agree with BikerGrrrl. It involves the three sports involved...all the other details about indoor vs. outdoor, pool vs. lake or ocean, length (sprint vs. ironman), who sanctions it (long courses like silverman vs. IM) shouldn't matter right? Why does indoor vs. outdoor matter but lake vs. ocean or long courses vs. IM sanctioned races doesn't? It's all personal opinion and if the OP looks at the race like a triathlon, then it's a triathlon.

BikerGrrrl - 2007-09-05 9:44 AM

I disagree, and would say that that is a triathlon. There is strategy involved and you're pitted against other athletes, there are 3 sports involved, etc. I wouldn't use it as a benchmark for antyhing, but I feel that it's certainly a triathlon.

(and to save you all time, yes, I have completed an indoor triathlon and it was definitely a race and you can read my report)

If we're getting into the nitty gritty of sanctioning, etc., you open a can of worms. I participated in an outdoor traditional triathlon this weekend. But it wasn't USAT sanctioned and they allowed snorkels, flotation devices, MP3 players, etc. It's not getting me any closer to Kona, but it's certainly a triathlon! I chose to race it like a regular race without those added advantages, but I didn't have to.

2007-09-05 12:13 PM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
chirunner134 - 2007-09-05 11:45 AM

No tri minus a super spirit is going to last only 45 minutes even for the top guy. It would be a good practice but I do more in my daily works outs than they do for the whole event.


You train at race pace? Cause I guarantee you I would go much farther distances during this "triathlon" than I would exercising for the same amount of time during training. Its about effort and time.. not just time. Thats what makes this a race, the guy who pushes himself to the farthest distance wins. It may not be exactly a triathlon, but its similar.

I also wouldnt discount the event just because it is short. Ever seen a fast guy run a 5k? Sure, I run a lot more than 12mins a day too... but no flippen way I can run a 5k that fast.
2007-09-05 12:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
Hey, I don't care what anyone calls themselves. If you feel like your a triathlete - call yourself a triathlete. I think if you are out there doing it - that's great. It's better than most people in this country.

What I ment by sanctioned was that it was an organized event - not just 3 buddies getting together to train/race. It doesn't matter to me who organized it....

I just was trying to say for ME, I set my goal of doing an organized event, outside, that had the three sports swim/bike/run. Then "I" felt like a triathlete - For ME, I felt like a triathlete.

If someone else says they are not a triathlete until Kona, that's up to them.

If someone who has never done a triathlon, but has trained for one calls themselves a triathlete, that's fine with me too.

I don't let anyone tell me what I am or what I am not, and I don't tell anyone else.

It's not what you are called, but what you answer to. So if you think you are a triathlete - you are. That point just came at a different place for me - that doesn't apply to anyone else but me.

Edited by Aikidoman 2007-09-05 12:21 PM


2007-09-05 12:22 PM
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Aikidoman - 2007-09-05 11:19 AM Hey, I don't care what anyone calls themselves. If you feel like your a triathlete - call yourself a triathlete.

I feel like an astronaut, and also a rock star.

 

2007-09-05 12:25 PM
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Cool! - I'm not going to argue with you - you're a rock star and astronaut.... I'm not.
2007-09-05 12:26 PM
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Aikidoman - 2007-09-05 11:25 AM Cool! - I'm not going to argue with you - you're a rock star and astronaut.... I'm not.

I feel like you are.

 

2007-09-05 12:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
ranger5oh - 2007-09-05 12:13 PM

chirunner134 - 2007-09-05 11:45 AM

No tri minus a super spirit is going to last only 45 minutes even for the top guy. It would be a good practice but I do more in my daily works outs than they do for the whole event.


You train at race pace? Cause I guarantee you I would go much farther distances during this "triathlon" than I would exercising for the same amount of time during training. Its about effort and time.. not just time. Thats what makes this a race, the guy who pushes himself to the farthest distance wins. It may not be exactly a triathlon, but its similar.

I also wouldnt discount the event just because it is short. Ever seen a fast guy run a 5k? Sure, I run a lot more than 12mins a day too... but no flippen way I can run a 5k that fast.


Maybe so but I like to see a person do 750m swim, 20k bike and 5k run in 45 mins. I do not think it could be done.
2007-09-05 12:38 PM
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chirunner134 - 2007-09-05 10:26 AM

Maybe so but I like to see a person do 750m swim, 20k bike and 5k run in 45 mins. I do not think it could be done.


That would be amazing to see. Just some quick calcs - that is 1:00/100 swim, 30sec T1, 35mph average on the bike, 30 sec T2, and 5 min/mile ave. That's hauling!

Those numbers don't seem "impossible" - it could maybe happen in the next 50 to 100 years or so... Plus, in the world or steroids......who knows.


2007-09-05 12:45 PM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!

If you have to ask, its not a "real" triathlon to you.

As for being a triathlete, its not like being an Ironman, where you pass your test by completing one under the time limit. Although we treat it that way sometimes.

Its more like if someone ask me if I am a basketball player. Sure I play basketball once in a while, but I have no plans to compete, so I'm not a basketball player. Now if I had just signed up for the church league it changes the answer, but you would still explain that its a church league, not the NCAA.

2007-09-05 12:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Is an indoor Tri, really a tri ?!?!?!
The local indoor tri I know gives you 10 minutes for t1 and 5 minutes for t2 because they do not want you to get hurt moving from even to event.

for me it just does not ahve the feel. even a pool swim does not seem like it would be the same as an ows. I do think transition and biking on the road and such is a very important part of a triathlon.

2007-09-05 1:02 PM
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i would think indoor tri's are during the winter (atleast that's what the 2 "big" ones out here do. you swim, bike on a exercise bike (so really you are pedling at the lowest resistance you can as fast as you can) then on to the treadmill. no, it's not a "race", but it's a good work out and training session.
2007-09-05 2:33 PM
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My son in law has done bunches of sprints plus 3 olys plus 2 indoor tri's.

what I gleaned from him was:

A: They are a blast
B: They are Tris
C: He would definitely call you a triathlete.

Me. I think that as soon as you start training in those three disciplines, you can honestly wear a T-shirt that proclaims you to be one.
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