Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components
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2007-11-27 3:37 PM |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components Okay, this might be a dumb question but are the components the same? I know the break levers and shifters are different but how about derailers and crank? The reason I ask there is a frame in the classifieds that have bars, seat and seat post and I was thinking I could take the other components off my cheap road bike and use them for now. Would this work? |
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2007-11-27 3:39 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
Pro 4578 Vancouver, BC | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components It's not so much of a road bike and tri bike thing as it is about the components. What frame is it? What components do you have? What wheels? |
2007-11-27 3:41 PM in reply to: #1070739 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components jeng - 2007-11-27 3:39 PM It's not so much of a road bike and tri bike thing as it is about the components. What frame is it? What components do you have? What wheels? I currently have a motobecane mirage sport, pretty basic with all sora components, 700 cc wheels. Basically 1 year old so it is not a vintage bike and the frame I am looking at is a motobecane nemesis. I would not image the crank and derailers would be different but who knows. |
2007-11-27 3:42 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
Master 2355 Houston, TX | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components Same stuff. |
2007-11-27 3:42 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components Yes, you'd just have to get levers/shifters if you went with the tri bullhorn/aero bar set up. The bottom bracket may be an issue if it is Italian thread versus English, but everything else should work (assuming your "cheap" road bike is a standard Shimano based bike and not an older design - think 80's or older). |
2007-11-27 3:44 PM in reply to: #1070743 |
Pro 4578 Vancouver, BC | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 1:41 PM jeng - 2007-11-27 3:39 PM It's not so much of a road bike and tri bike thing as it is about the components. What frame is it? What components do you have? What wheels? I currently have a motobecane mirage sport, pretty basic with all sora components, 700 cc wheels. Basically 1 year old so it is not a vintage bike and the frame I am looking at is a motobecane nemesis. I would not image the crank and derailers would be different but who knows.Yeah sounds good then. I was thinking your cheap road bike might be something older and might be more difficult, but it sounds like you should be fine. |
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2007-11-27 3:45 PM in reply to: #1070746 |
Pro 4578 Vancouver, BC | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components Daremo - 2007-11-27 1:42 PM Yes, you'd just have to get levers/shifters if you went with the tri bullhorn/aero bar set up. The bottom bracket may be an issue if it is Italian thread versus English, but everything else should work (assuming your "cheap" road bike is a standard Shimano based bike and not an older design - think 80's or older). Yeah or what he said. |
2007-11-27 3:47 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components Cool now I just need to find a say to get the wife to let me buy it. |
2007-11-27 3:49 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
Master 2468 Muskego, Wisconsin | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components Just remember that the Nemesis is the bike you can get from bikesdirect.com for under $1000. I saw a guy on craigslist trying to sell his nemesis frame for $700, not that a BT'er would do that but I thought i'd give the infor anyway. Other than that, I happen to live in an area where they have LBS that have this bike in stock and I bought one for $900 and love it. Great frame, great components, great LBS. Buying my wife one after the new year and they are restocked. |
2007-11-27 3:55 PM in reply to: #1070762 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components papson14 - 2007-11-27 3:49 PM Yeah, I have been checking them out quite frequently but new are closer to $1200 now so I figured if I could get a good deal on the frame/bars only I could build the rest. The problem ebay is I need a large size frame 60cm or 61cm and I usually can't find them that big.Just remember that the Nemesis is the bike you can get from bikesdirect.com for under $1000. I saw a guy on craigslist trying to sell his nemesis frame for $700, not that a BT'er would do that but I thought i'd give the infor anyway. Other than that, I happen to live in an area where they have LBS that have this bike in stock and I bought one for $900 and love it. Great frame, great components, great LBS. Buying my wife one after the new year and they are restocked. Edit, I just looked at bikesdirect and they did drop the price to $995, it was $1195, they must have them on clearance. Either way if I tell my wife I want to spend a grand on a bike she would castrate me. Edited by kproudfoot 2007-11-27 4:00 PM |
2007-11-27 4:01 PM in reply to: #1070760 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 3:47 PM Cool now I just need to find a say to get the wife to let me buy it. Keep in mind that you would also need to buy shifters (~$85) and brake levers (~$25) as well as pay for labor to move components (~$75). That's $200 in addition to the cost of the frame. Edited by the bear 2007-11-27 4:02 PM |
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2007-11-27 4:05 PM in reply to: #1070789 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components the bear - 2007-11-27 4:01 PM Thanks, that was actually going to be my next thing to find out. I knew I would need the extra components just did not know who much they would cost I could do some of the work myself as I used to tear apart my bikes as a kid but I would probably need to buy a few tools. kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 3:47 PM Cool now I just need to find a say to get the wife to let me buy it. Keep in mind that you would also need to buy shifters (~$85) and brake levers (~$25) as well as pay for labor to move components (~$75). That's $200 in addition to the cost of the frame. Question though. My parts are all currently Sora level. Who do the levers work, do I need to buy sora also or can I go higher with the hopes of upgrading the derailers/brakes later? Also, my rear casset is 8 speed, can I get an 8 speed TT shifter? I looked on nashbar and they only have 10speed dura ace.Edited by kproudfoot 2007-11-27 4:11 PM |
2007-11-27 4:37 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
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2007-11-27 4:40 PM in reply to: #1070803 |
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2007-11-27 4:40 PM in reply to: #1070803 |
Resident Curmudgeon 25290 The Road Back | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 4:05 PM I knew I would need the extra components just did not know who much they would cost I could do some of the work myself as I used to tear apart my bikes as a kid but I would probably need to buy a few tools. If I'm an LBS, I quote you these prices:
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2007-11-27 4:53 PM in reply to: #1070880 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components spokes - 2007-11-27 4:37 PM The average beginning triathlete would benefit more from simply riding lots... unless you're on a really heavy old vintage frame, of course, then a new bike makes sense. I've passed tons of people in 'bars in my dus and I prefer the control I have without aerobars given the quality of bike handling skills I've seen in my races (shudder). My GF watched one of my races this summer and said the transition area crashes were particularly entertaining... My bike is new but is really heavy. I did a group ride withsome BTer's over the summer and we were doing curls with it in the parking lot, I kid you not. |
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2007-11-27 4:55 PM in reply to: #1070891 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components the bear - 2007-11-27 4:40 PM You are absolutely correct, I could screw it up and it cost me more, but I am one of those people that would try to build a computer rather than buy one. I just like to do stuff with my own two hands (no comments necessary) and if I have to pay to fix it later so be it. Trust me I don't think I can even get my wife to agree to letting me buy the frame but want to make sure I have everything organzied before I do.kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 4:05 PM I knew I would need the extra components just did not know who much they would cost I could do some of the work myself as I used to tear apart my bikes as a kid but I would probably need to buy a few tools. If I'm an LBS, I quote you these prices:
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2007-11-27 6:12 PM in reply to: #1070915 |
Champion 9407 Montague Gold Mines, Nova Scotia | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 6:53 PM My bike is new but is really heavy. I did a group ride withsome BTer's over the summer and we were doing curls with it in the parking lot, I kid you not. For most TT and tri courses, bike weight is not that important as they tend to be flat (or at least start and end in the same place) and pretty non-technical. Having a lighter bike is nice, but besides lugging it around, you probably won't notice much difference. Shane |
2007-11-27 7:57 PM in reply to: #1070891 |
Cycling Guru 15134 Fulton, MD | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components the bear - 2007-11-27 5:40 PM kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 4:05 PM I knew I would need the extra components just did not know who much they would cost I could do some of the work myself as I used to tear apart my bikes as a kid but I would probably need to buy a few tools. If I'm an LBS, I quote you these prices:
Have Rick do it for you .... case of Fat Tire ...... |
2007-11-27 8:11 PM in reply to: #1070760 |
Champion 8540 the colony texas | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 3:47 PM Cool now I just need to find a say to get the wife to let me buy it.
maybe if you rooted for the browns for a couple of games instead of that pittsburg team she might cut you some slack..plus remember KSH is going to be paying you some cash each month to yell at her to work out some.. proof to your wife that you 're working extra to get a new bike |
2007-11-27 9:06 PM in reply to: #1070889 |
Champion 4835 Eat Cheese or Die | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components spokes - 2007-11-27 4:40 PM kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 2:05 PM the bear - 2007-11-27 4:01 PM Thanks, that was actually going to be my next thing to find out. I knew I would need the extra components just did not know who much they would cost I could do some of the work myself as I used to tear apart my bikes as a kid but I would probably need to buy a few tools. kproudfoot - 2007-11-27 3:47 PM Cool now I just need to find a say to get the wife to let me buy it. Keep in mind that you would also need to buy shifters (~$85) and brake levers (~$25) as well as pay for labor to move components (~$75). That's $200 in addition to the cost of the frame. Question though. My parts are all currently Sora level. Who do the levers work, do I need to buy sora also or can I go higher with the hopes of upgrading the derailers/brakes later? Also, my rear casset is 8 speed, can I get an 8 speed TT shifter? I looked on nashbar and they only have 10speed dura ace. There are some matching issues involved with shifters and components. If you ride a lot, I'd consider upgrading to 105. Also, 8 spd (and 9) parts are getting harder and harder to find with the makers all going to 10 sp shifters. However, for example, a 10 spd derailleur will work with 9 sp shifters... but I believe the opposite is not the case. I'd still look around more, as you may be able to find a new bike package that ends up making more financial sense than upgrading a cheaper bike. That way, you have two... one for practice, one for racing. 9spd hubscassette can work with 10spd cassettes/hubs but not shifters. Back in the day 7spd and 8spd shtuff had the same spacing between each cog. The 8spd cassette is wider by the width of a cog and the space in between. When 9spd came out they kept the same overall width, therefore the shifters had the same overall total amount of cable pull but the indexs on the shifters had a smaller amount of cable pull between each index. You could not use a 9spd shifters on 8spd cogs as only the top and bottom gear would line up. Along came 10spd, which is still the same overall width as eight speed, but is even narrower then 9spd. So 9spd shifters will not work with 10spd cassettes and 10spd shifters won't work with 9spd cassettes. For the most part derailleurs and hubs are ok, but there are issues and I am totally baffled by the Shimano compatibility chart. 8spd to 10spd to is another bag of cats all together. Save your cash, till you can buy a complete. And I'll let you in on my secret. I only buy black bikes. Whats another black bike in a garage full of bikes in my wife's eye. Especially when I trash pick one to refurb every few months. |
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2007-11-28 10:31 AM in reply to: #1070735 |
Expert 934 FL | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components How about just getting some clip on aero bars. Less than $100. You will gain some speed (surely more gain than dropping a few pounds on the frame) and some time to save some cash to buy a complete bike with better components. Seems a little bit of a waist to me to replace your current frame with a nemesis and move over the low level components. Someone argued that more time in the seat is more important than a tri bike. I agree that time in the saddle matters but when going from an upright position to a aero position gives an instant and very noticable gain in speed (proven by the tell tale cyclocomputer), going aero is hard to pass up. |
2007-11-28 2:14 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
New user 28 | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components 10 speed bar-end shifters will work with your 8 speed cassette, but only in the friction setting... (ie smooth pull instead of indexed clicks) Not a bad option if your planning to upgrade later. But if your planning on upgrading & you don't do your own wrenching, you'll be better off waiting until u can buy a complete bike. Manufacturers discount their component packages more than you can beat even buying used on ebay, especially since you'll have to pay your LBS to install them... |
2007-11-28 3:59 PM in reply to: #1070735 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components Thanks for all the advice. I actually decided to buy the fram since it is only going to be $125 and then I can either buy the components individually or as a set or even use what I have. The odds of me ever plunking down $1K plus are doubtful and I really want a tri bike. Fortunately, I think I can do most of the work myself but might have to have the LBS help with some of it, now it is just a matter of what I definately need to buy (ie shifters and brakes and if they are compatible. I will probably buy a new rear cassette and derailer too so they match with the index shifting of the 9/10 speed shifters. |
2007-11-28 4:01 PM in reply to: #1071916 |
Champion 5575 Butler | Subject: RE: Road Bike Vs Tri Bike Components mgmoore7 - 2007-11-28 10:31 AM I actually have aero bars on already and have put a decent amount of in. I have 2300 mile so far this year and most of that was from March to September training for my HIM but have not really gained any speed. I know in the long run it will cost me more to buy the parts individually but I am one of those people that would almost prefer to build a computer than buy a store made one.How about just getting some clip on aero bars. Less than $100. You will gain some speed (surely more gain than dropping a few pounds on the frame) and some time to save some cash to buy a complete bike with better components. Seems a little bit of a waist to me to replace your current frame with a nemesis and move over the low level components. Someone argued that more time in the seat is more important than a tri bike. I agree that time in the saddle matters but when going from an upright position to a aero position gives an instant and very noticable gain in speed (proven by the tell tale cyclocomputer), going aero is hard to pass up. |
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