Correct way to log swim workouts
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2013-12-04 7:03 PM |
Veteran 493 Cloverdale, BC | Subject: Correct way to log swim workouts In the past, I've always entered my total time in the pool into my BT logs. If I get in the water at 5:30 and get out at 6:30 then I would enter 1 hour into my logs. But I've been playing around with Training Peaks lately, and they say to log 'moving time' (not including rest periods) instead of total time for calculating their swimTSS (Training Stress Score). Is there anybody out there who currently tracks 'moving time'? If so, how do you keep track of it? I swim with a Timex ironman watch, but I don't always remember to start and stop it. Would a Garmin Swim or a Forerunner 910xt make it easier to track moving time? |
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2013-12-04 8:05 PM in reply to: ultramike |
Member 59 Kirkland, WA | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I am using a mix of estimation and 910XT info. The 910 gives you average pace, although it typically registers either slightly high or low yardage for a workout especially when including drills and kick. I usually just use the average pace and my total yardage to backwards calculate to moving time. A 910 file will also spit out a Swim IF and Swim TSS/ |
2013-12-04 9:09 PM in reply to: ultramike |
Expert 2192 Greenville, SC | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts im using trainingpeaks too. i just log my total time. my coach knows i go to 1 hour masters classes, and i always log 1 hour swim time. hasn't said anything regarding it. i don't think i swim enough for swim TSS to even matter though. at most i'll do 12k a week. there are a bunch of watches that can track it pretty well, i've been thinking of picking up the garmin swim. you could just record each interval in the few seconds you have between too though... |
2013-12-05 3:02 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Elite 7783 PEI, Canada | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I do what you do - if I get in at 5:30 and exit at 6:30 then I enter 1:00 as the workout time. This often results in a swim TSS somewhere between 1 and 2. Trying to figure out moving time would be more effort than it's worth to me. |
2013-12-05 5:48 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Veteran 1016 Deep South, Georgia | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I enter "moving time" although it is an approximation. I know my average time is around 1:40/100 so I use that to calculate my total workout time based on how many meters I swam. |
2013-12-05 7:01 AM in reply to: 0 |
Champion 7036 Sarasota, FL | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts Originally posted by axteraa I do what you do - if I get in at 5:30 and exit at 6:30 then I enter 1:00 as the workout time. This often results in a swim TSS somewhere between 1 and 2. Trying to figure out moving time would be more effort than it's worth to me. x2 I used to wear my 100-lap Timex Ironman watch to record everything, but it was too much of a hassle. I've reverted to old school mode and just use the pace clock on the pool deck to track my intervals. Mark
Edited by RedCorvette 2013-12-05 7:02 AM |
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2013-12-05 7:05 AM in reply to: RedCorvette |
Veteran 976 New Hampshire | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts If I'm doing intervals I just hit the lap after the interval. If I'm doing longer sets I hit lap after the longer set. Then I go through the TP data and see what my moving time and total laps were and it pops out pace. I just make sure to note the length of sets and intensity level so I have something to go back to later. |
2013-12-05 7:28 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Member 1748 Exton, PA | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts Old swimmer here. I have always tracked swim workouts by yards(I swim in a 25 yard pool). All my records are in an excel file not online. |
2013-12-05 7:43 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Veteran 1677 Houston, Texas | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I log moving time -- I use a Garmin 910 and hit stop and lap between intervals. Honestly, this is mostly because I like to be able to analyze the information and look back on it in the future (for example, I want to improve my HIM swim time next year, so I can go back to my logs and see that I was swimming X number of 100m repeats on an X:XX interval, so if I'm not swimming faster than that, it's unlikely I'll improve). It's also interesting to see how much actual swimming time we do in a given workout. With one coach, a 75 minute master's session results in 60-65 minutes of swimming. With a different one, it's typically closer to 55 minutes. I prefer the former to the latter... |
2013-12-05 7:49 AM in reply to: Dominion |
Member 354 | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts Originally posted by Dominion I enter "moving time" although it is an approximation. I know my average time is around 1:40/100 so I use that to calculate my total workout time based on how many meters I swam. I do this as well. My avg. time freestyle is about 1:40 and I take total yards and back into my total logged time from there. I use the pace clock on the side of the pool to time individual intervals. 3000 yds in a total of one hour in the pool is about 50 minutes logged time for me (17% difference). ...not really much different than just putting the hour in, but I can be a bit geeky w/ numbers. |
2013-12-05 7:59 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Elite 3779 Ontario | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts If using a 910, then TP automatically puts in only the moving time. When entering it in BT it displays total swim time. It's eye opening how much time you spend at the wall sometimes...
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2013-12-05 8:23 AM in reply to: GoFaster |
Master 8247 Eugene, Oregon | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I track by "moving time" and meters. I just have the most basic model of Timex Ironman watch, and I use it to keep track of total swim time for the workout. I don't have much trouble remembering to start/stop it at intervals. (OK, there are occasional lapses, but not nearly as many as with my lap counting on long sets!) I use a poolside pace clock to time sendoffs, swims I want a split for, and rest intervals. (I train at school facilities, so there's always a pace clock or two around.) For OWS, I just run the watch whenever I'm swimming. For pool swims, I record the distance I swam (or think I swam!). The log then automatically calculates pace. I can't always compare it workout to workout, though, as certain things like kick sets, drills, and stroke (not freestyle) will really slow it down. I like doing quite a bit of IM work and fly for strength in the off-season, which isn't as fast as freestyle, so my average for 100m can be all over the place! I don't think it matters how you log your swimming, as long as you are consistent. I just feel this is consistent with how I log my bike and run training. My bike computer only logs total time when the bike is moving, so a three hour ride means I was moving on the bike for three hours, no matter how long the ride took altogether due to stops for traffic, mechanical issues, etc. And I stop my run watch if I stop to stretch, for example, or wait to cross a busy street. So all of my training hours are exactly that, hours in self-propelled motion. |
2013-12-05 8:36 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Expert 1183 Fort Wayne, IN | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts When I'm in the mood, I record my individual laps on a Garmin 910 and put the information into this spreadsheet to get total actual swimming time. |
2013-12-05 8:48 AM in reply to: ultramike |
239 | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I log "moving time". It was easy for me during training last season as I had set rest times during my workouts (5x100 w/30sec rest between each, 8x25 w/20sec rest between each, etc). Total pool time - break time sum = swim time. |
2013-12-05 8:55 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Master 10208 Northern IL | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I only use the BT logs now and don't use a watch, just have the pace clock up on the wall. No times for w/u or c/d, I just get it in. Send-off only for drills/skill work emphasis. I get it in at a reasonable effort, not as fast as possible. Send-off plus In times (or splits) for main set work. "In" times noted are usually a range, trend, or average depending on what the set was, or the parts of the set as they're often a mix of interval types. Sometimes I can remember all the splits, but still note things this way as that's what's more useful for me. |
2013-12-05 9:06 AM in reply to: ultramike |
99 | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I like being able to track both moving and resting time. So on my 910xt, I press Start at the beginning of the workout. During the workout, I only use the lap button until the end when I press Start again to stop the workout. I press the lap button at the beginning and end of each rest period. I used to just track moving time, which required me to start/stop the timer repeatedly during my workout. But every so often I'd miss a button push and I'd start losing laps. So only using the lap button once the workout has started eliminated that problem. Worst case now is a rest period gets lumped into a moving period. I really don't like TP for swim analysis (maybe I don't know how to use it correctly). So when I want to dig into swim info, I typically look in Garmin Connect. You could just grab the moving time from that and paste it into TP so you have the moving time accurate in there. |
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2013-12-05 9:17 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Expert 2547 The Woodlands, TX | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I log distance. |
2013-12-05 9:27 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Master 3888 Overland Park, KS | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I try not to put too much thought into it. I enter in total time in the pool which includes resting time between sets etc. Most swim sets have a main set with intervals. So to me, the important "stress" part of the workout would be the series in the main set. So for example, if I do 10x100 on 1:40, that's important to take note on how my performance went etc. I don't write down/log where I come in after each 100 but I have an idea more or less how my set went. That night when I enter my BT log I'll usually remember that my average rest was 10 sec etc. so my moving time would be 1:30 etc. Not sure if it's really worth the time to get down to the precise second for each lap/set. But after the workout you can probably do a good estimate on how much time you spend resting vs. the total swim time. Note the time you got in the water, the time you got out of the water then subtract the amount of rest time. So if the main set was 10x100 on 1;40 and you were coming in at 1;30 then that's 100 seconds, or 1;40 of rest time during that set. |
2013-12-05 9:46 AM in reply to: 0 |
111 | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts Throw away your watch, use the pace clock, swim hard against the person in the lane next to you and if you have to, log the yardage. Training for running and training for swimming are not the same thing. Edited by snappingt 2013-12-05 9:46 AM |
2013-12-05 10:22 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Alpharetta, Georgia | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I log moving time only. I'm not interested in logging the time I spent resting. Same with bike and run. |
2013-12-05 10:52 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Pro 6191 | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts Originally posted by axteraa I do what you do - if I get in at 5:30 and exit at 6:30 then I enter 1:00 as the workout time. This often results in a swim TSS somewhere between 1 and 2. Trying to figure out moving time would be more effort than it's worth to me. x2. Check out my log - my coach keeps masters practice interesting, for sure. I can barely remember the sets afterwards - let alone try to calculate rest time. I log yardage. I also put 1:00 as my time - even if I stay a few minutes longer to finish the set. The time doesn't matter much to me in the frame of swimming, but it helps me look at total weekly volume. When I swim solo, I do the same. Total yardage, total time. |
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2013-12-05 10:59 AM in reply to: 0 |
over a barrier | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I only care about the distance, all my swims are in team environment so we're pushing the pace. Tracking moving time, messing w/ a watch, and backing stuff out is more than I would want to deal with. I don't back out the time I'm coasting on a bike either. Edited by running2far 2013-12-05 10:59 AM |
2013-12-05 11:50 AM in reply to: ultramike |
Champion 7547 Albuquerque, New Mexico | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts Any way is correct as long as you're consistent and know what the number truly means. When I swam (no access to a pool for a while now) I'd log the time from first push off the wall until the last touch. I didn't include stretching or gabbing if someone wanted to talk, but I did include rest intervals within and between sets. |
2013-12-05 11:52 AM in reply to: axteraa |
Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts Originally posted by axteraa I do what you do - if I get in at 5:30 and exit at 6:30 then I enter 1:00 as the workout time. This often results in a swim TSS somewhere between 1 and 2. Trying to figure out moving time would be more effort than it's worth to me. This. Anything else is (to me) overthinking it. |
2013-12-05 12:18 PM in reply to: ChrisM |
Expert 1121 Menomonee Falls, WI | Subject: RE: Correct way to log swim workouts I've always wondered what people record as well. I have a 910xt and always record my total time and total yardage which gives me an inaccurate pace when put in BT, but I do make note of my individual paces for each set in my swim description for my reference. So ultimately my swim hours and pace are both overstated, but not a big deal to me. In any given hour long workout, I'm usually only resting 10-30 seconds per set so it might shave off 5-10 minutes which IMO is no big deal. |
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